Indian troops storm hotel, end siege in central Srinagar

[afriend]

What you have got by doing this Crime:
(since Jan. 1989)

Total Killings * -- 93,097
Custodial Killings -- 6,965
Civilians Arrested --- 116,686
Structures Arsoned/Destroyed -- 105,769
Women Widowed -- 22,708
Children Orphaned -- 107,298
Women gang-raped / Molested -- 9,900

Does this total killings number include those two rats, killed just now????

 

[ssheppard]

But three days to kill 10 ******* maggots is too long for a commando. Their job is not to wait and watch. What would have happened if those terrorist killed the trapped innocents. Will the people praise the the commandos or scorn them.

Well in Mumbai...No one was even sure about the count off people present in the 3 Buildings under question...two out of those buildings had more than 1000 rooms......and there was a possibility that every room had at least one guest meaning 1000 Individuals....and no one was sure that if there were hostages....so now tell me ....the commandos never knew where the guests were...not sure if the rooms were bobby trapped.....they had to clean one room at a time ...and every room would take at least 10 Minute to cleanse......now you multiply this time with 1000 Plus Rooms......

And you should be aware that commandos saved lives as they searched the rooms....they were not aware of who is a terrorist and who is a guest.

Why the number of army men dying on each encounter is 2:1. Can you point out any encounter in which a single military person haven't died.

In every terrorist attack the loss of life happens in the first go...the terrorist could only kill in the first shot...because of element of surprise...remember... Forces have dresses so they can be identified....but terrorists can not be identified as he is not wearing a identification mark.

 

[Red Dwarf]

The police personel died when the militant blindly opened fire seeing the police ..... This was before the operation started

I said in general. Not specific.

Don't understand why the operation took this long..!!!! Well a good practice match for indian security forces to keep their combat skills sharp.. i guess..!!!

This match started more than 20 years ago. If they are still unskilled, when will that happen.

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

Does this total killings number include those two rats, killed just now????

ahh

How easily you said that .. I never known How much Cheap is life of innocent people at your side.

 

[Red Dwarf]

Well in Mumbai...No one was even sure about the count off people present in the 3 Buildings under question...two out of those buildings had more than 1000 rooms......and there was a possibility that every room had at least one guest meaning 1000 Individuals....and no one was sure that if there were hostages....so now tell me ....the commandos never knew where the guests were...not sure if the rooms were bobby trapped.....they had to clean one room at a time ...and every room would take at least 10 Minute to cleanse......now you multiply this time with 1000 Plus Rooms......

And you should be aware that commandos saved lives as they searched the rooms....they were not aware of who is a terrorist and who is a guest.

Ok agreed. Our commandos done a good job.......

In every terrorist attack the loss of life happens in the first go...the terrorist could only kill in the first shot...because of element of surprise...remember... Forces have dresses so they can be identified....but terrorists can not be identified as he is not wearing a identification mark.

In my opinion it is not justifiable to lose a life for some barbarians.

 

[praveen]

Congrats to the security forces for fixing those rats an appointment with God.Hope he gives them those 72 virgins

 

[Iggy]

Yeah i saw the capabilities of Indian commandos on 26/11. If those highly trained army man took 3 days to defeat JUST 10 terrorists (trained or not but they haven't got years of traning), what are you boasting.


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Red Dwarf mate if you llook at the other hostage situations like what happened in Russia you can see the casualities of Indian Hostages is very very less after the operations has started ..Just look at the russian school hostage drama..how many kids had died after the operation started?comparing to that we did a commendable job..we have to look for the hostages not to get hurt..thats why our commandos didnt do it in a haste..if we did a all out attack then we can do it in one day but the casualities will be high..and also not to forget those were just some bastards who came to blow up them selves they were trained well by their masters..

In capabilities our commandos are second to none mate

 

[dextr]

Why you flamed? Your friends just used the word 'rats' so I said 'Dogs & Cats'. What is wrong?

Yea i know you have abilities to play 'games'..

P.A is not facing rats , These are skilled ones , Trained by Foreign 'Cats & Dogs'.

Hey dont get so much worked up.Somebody just called 2 slain terrorists to be 'rats',not u personally or the established armed forces of ur country,unlike u.
Considering what the terrorists do,i dont think it is a crime to call them names.
Come to think of it buddy,they kill innocent people!!!If u urself come infront of them when they r in action they wont even recognise u or consider how many posts u have made in this forum.They will just pump a few bullets inside ur head just like rest of others.Now that is insanity in its true sense.

The question is do u feel personally hurt on the slain terrorists being called names?? Do u sympathise with terrorists??
If the answer is "Yes", then it goes very well without saying that u r getting a dosage of ur own medicine considering the present terrorist activites in ur country(though i stictly disapprove of it as well).
If the answer is "No",then atleast u should courageous enough to admit ur own fault,and delete ur post.

Haha

We are currently tackling with rats sent by you , How can we send back to you ?

Hey why do u avoid my direct questions??
regarding ur latest quote,let us assume that India sends rats(terrorists) to ur country and the security forces in ur country r busy tackling them.Had they not been busy,then u would have been sending rats to India instead.Hmm...now thats interesting.
So,r u suggesting that "Security forces" in ur country double up as "Terrorists" ???

 

[macrocks]

Overnight, police fired teargas to disperse scores of pro-militant Kashmiri youths who threw stones at security forces, chanting “Kashmiri Mujahedeen, we are with you” and “We want freedom”.

A lie. Nothing of that sort happened and infact the kashmiris, who were trpped inside hotel, thanked security forces.

 

[dabong1]

These brave freedom fighters laid there lives down for the freedom of kashmir and should be praised for there courage.

 

[macrocks]

Don't understand why the operation took this long..!!!! Well a good practice match for indian security forces to keep their combat skills sharp.. i guess..!!!

So that collateral damage be minimum and few casualties of civilians trapped inside.

 

[riju78]

if as my pakistani friends says that raw is training and sending rats then i would say they r doing a fine job! Cos if brahman hindu raw can train and make hardcore muslims to blow up their own countrymen then they r better than mossad. Imagine isi training and funding bajrang dal to blow up people in india. In no way i'm saying taliban is same as bajrang

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

Hey why do u avoid my direct questions??
regarding ur latest quote,let us assume that India sends rats(terrorists) to ur country and the security forces in ur country r busy tackling them.Had they not been busy,then u would have been sending rats to India instead.Hmm...now thats interesting.
So,r u suggesting that "Security forces" in ur country double up as "Terrorists" ???

what a nonsense reply..

What is Interesting in this.. ?

I replied to 'sreekimpact'. first read whole message then poke your nose .

Thanks

 

[notsuperstitious]

These brave freedom fighters laid there lives down for the freedom of kashmir and should be praised for there courage.

Yeah, and one more freedom fighter sacrificed his life y'day in pakistan occupied kashmir but did get four soldiers collaborating with the western enimy, lets praise that one too.

 

[Hulk]

@Red Dwarf and others who are questioning ability of our commandos.

About Mumbai operation.
I am briefly sketching how operations happened and will leave it to you to determine how good or bad NSG is.

Attack started at 9 PM on Saturday and by 11 PM all four terrorist was inside Taj Hotel, they were virtually unchallenged for at least 10 hours, till next morning, now think 4 people have 10 hours to position themselves. 10 hours is not a small duration man.

Add to it, there were no maps available of the hotel, the hotel has around 400 rooms and NSG has to make sure there is no collateral damage as possible.

So they knock on each door as the person to open it, it not opened blow the door and then get inside. This they have to do for 400 rooms approximately.

Tell me similar such attack were in similar setup terrorist was given 10 hours to plan.

Few things to add about how police reacted, they actually did nothing much the whole night, but waiting for NSG. In 2 occasions one for 12 min and other for 2 hours they knew exactly where the terrorist were, ACP asked for CP to attack but was declined.

IMO it was failure of police then the commandos, they neither had training, nor weapons. Had they got AK 47 with them thing might have been different. With force one created if something similar is tries 24 hours will be maximum.

Same attack on VT, When Kasab and other fellow were firing, there were at least 2 dozen policemen in that area mostly having only 303 rifle and that too they were not sure it will work.

I can go on and on, but want to keep it short. Read some material on how operation happened.

Now comes to attack that happened yesterday and how we dealt with it.
First thing you have to understand is how you measure the success and failure of an operation. If speed might be your criteria but security forces does not think like you, for them minimum damage to life and people is top priority and IMO they have it right. Easier to say when you are not one of them, this is not one time incidence it happens every other day, so just to satisfy your ego that we finished it in 10 min, they cannot take more damage. They also have life, there has to be some reason of risking it.

When any such situation arise, this is how they operate.
Vacate the area and position people in such a way that terrorist cannot escape.
Then wait for the right team to arrive to start the operation, till then collect all data and create a plan. Now what is wrong with this, when everyone was out there was no more casualties possible, why not wait for right people to do it.
Now if sun is set and visibility is an issue they put flood lights and wait for morning. By doing this the terrorist actually get tired too. While the actual force who will do the operation sleeps at night.

So 24 hrs is not bad at all.
Remember GHQ operation did something similar they waited at night and attacked next morning. So dude before pointing fingers read how this is done.