Indian troops storm hotel, end siege in central Srinagar

[Cisco-GUY]

Indians with their soviet styled military doctrine and arms. 20 hrs to clear hotel and that too by burning the entire thing down. I recommend to go for equipments used by SWAT teams in US like the bulletproof shield for making entry in the room and using flash grenade. All i can see in kashmir is a militant hides in a structure then Indian army hordes around the place finally blowing whole apartment /hotel. I bet most of terrorists die because of collapsing roof or fire rather than gun wounds.

 

[Maddy2105]

Indians with their soviet styled military doctrine and arms. 20 hrs to clear hotel and that too by burning the entire thing down. I recommend to go for equipments used by SWAT teams in US like the bulletproof shield for making entry in the room and using flash grenade. All i can see in kashmir is a militant hides in a structure then Indian army hordes around the place finally blowing whole apartment /hotel. I bet most of terrorists die because of collapsing roof or fire rather than gun wounds.

The terrorists set the hotel on fire, not the indians

Usual rant

 

[Hulk]

These brave freedom fighters laid there lives down for the freedom of kashmir and should be praised for there courage.

Yes and you do freedom fighting by killing people who have nothing to do with you.

Armed forces just follow orders they have nothing personal against people of Kashmir. When you kill one there is a family who suffers. Guess you feel the pain when the armed personal is from Pakistan.

There was another freedom movement in India which was non violent, lead by Mr Gandhi. Why do people do not try peaceful protest.

If all Kashmiri wants freedom, ask them to do this and see the impact.
1) Stop paying tax
2) Stop voting 0%.
3) Stop participating in elections.
4) Monthly do a peaceful freedom rally.
5) Zero violence and then GOI does not have a reason to keep armed forces, so foreign journalist can reach common people.

Similar methods by non violent, and then see the effect of it.
But the reality is Kashmiri's do not align with there terrorist otherwise why they have to threaten people to boycott election.

bottom line, having terrorist attack is not the way to achieve freedom, it can be achieved peacefully through other means, but since they have limited support they resort to violence.

Do not show me those videos of big ralleys, I know how rallies are organized, even offer for 1 meal can get the poor to show up at the rally.

 

[ek_indian]

Indians with their soviet styled military doctrine and arms. 20 hrs to clear hotel and that too by burning the entire thing down. I recommend to go for equipments used by SWAT teams in US like the bulletproof shield for making entry in the room and using flash grenade. All i can see in kashmir is a militant hides in a structure then Indian army hordes around the place finally blowing whole apartment /hotel. I bet most of terrorists die because of collapsing roof or fire rather than gun wounds.

Few things:
(1) What actually is soviet style military doctorine regarding NSG commandos?
(2) Thanks for your suggestion but NSG knows how to play the game.
(3) Regarding Kashmir.......it is offtopic.

Without knowing the ground scenario, it is very easy to point fingers.
Beside this, the thread is not about Mumbai or NSG itself.

 

[Cisco-GUY]

@Maddy2105 & ek_indian, what i was narrating is generally how encounter takes place in 90% terrorist attacks. A painfully long soviet tactics of 60's/ 70's is applied and Indian army waits for terrorists to come out rather themselves going in. Acknowledge this soviet mindset plague of your warfare, will be better for you. It hardly takes 1 hr to clear an apartment or house with SWAT teams storming in. What i really want to digress is India should equip its soldiers with new gadgets and training, AK-47 or insas isn't made for urban warfare.

 

[ek_indian]

@Maddy2105 & ek_indian, what i was narrating is generally how encounter takes place in 90% terrorist attacks. A painfully long soviet tactics of 60's/ 70's is applied and Indian army waits for terrorists to come out rather themselves going in. Acknowledge this soviet mindset plague of your warfare, will be better for you. It hardly takes 1 hr to clear an apartment or house with SWAT teams storming in. What i really want to digress is India should equip its soldiers with new gadgets and training, AK-47 or insas isn't made for urban warfare.

1 hour for 1 apartment....

But here we have hundreds of apartments/rooms/lobbies/floors etc. etc. In that case, Indian commandos did an excellent job.
I could not understand what actually mean by soviet tactics. We agree Russia is major defence partner of India but to say, we inherited their doctorine is childish.

Now can we move to the topic?

 

[Hulk]

@Maddy2105 & ek_indian, what i was narrating is generally how encounter takes place in 90% terrorist attacks. A painfully long soviet tactics of 60's/ 70's is applied and Indian army waits for terrorists to come out rather themselves going in. Acknowledge this soviet mindset plague of your warfare, will be better for you. It hardly takes 1 hr to clear an apartment or house with SWAT teams storming in. What i really want to digress is India should equip its soldiers with new gadgets and training, AK-47 or insas isn't made for urban warfare.

Think little bit.
Ok, in SAWT you are doing a war kind of operation, so you are attacking militants and hence you cannot wait, that way they will take years to finish the operation. So they have no choice but to take causality. It is at mass scale, it is not compared to one attack where security forces can wait.

Now let me remind you about GHQ where they waited the whole night to storm it in morning. Why? Situation is different here.

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

These brave freedom fighters laid there lives down for the freedom of kashmir and should be praised for there courage.

What you have got by doing this Crime:
(since Jan. 1989)

Total Killings * -- 93,097
Custodial Killings -- 6,965
Civilians Arrested --- 116,686
Structures Arsoned/Destroyed -- 105,769
Women Widowed -- 22,708
Children Orphaned -- 107,298
Women gang-raped / Molested -- 9,900

it is the bloody terrorists who have done this....Sent from across the border terrorist organisations....
The terrorists are nationals from areas of Pak/Afghan etc and not India...
The terrrorists are not born here but come from outside India to spread terror here.....
and this is not called freedom movement... it is terrorism supported by foreign country in India...

and now that monster is affecting Pakistan itself....!!!!!!
realise this soon at least now when thousands of ur own ppl are being killed.....2 terrorists here killed u say freedom fighting...

so many major blasts in every major Pakistan city almost every second day.... thousands of ppl killed....those bloody terrorists are destroying ur own country....at least feel for ur own ppl......or is it also supported by you .... is it also freedom struggle there for you..????

dont be so taken over by hate that u even forgive those who kill ur brothers/sisters in ur own streerts almost daily....

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

Yes and you do freedom fighting by killing people who have nothing to do with you.

Armed forces just follow orders they have nothing personal against people of Kashmir. When you kill one there is a family who suffers. Guess you feel the pain when the armed personal is from Pakistan.

There was another freedom movement in India which was non violent, lead by Mr Gandhi. Why do people do not try peaceful protest.

If all Kashmiri wants freedom, ask them to do this and see the impact.
1) Stop paying tax
2) Stop voting 0%.
3) Stop participating in elections.
4) Monthly do a peaceful freedom rally.
5) Zero violence and then GOI does not have a reason to keep armed forces, so foreign journalist can reach common people.

Similar methods by non violent, and then see the effect of it.
But the reality is Kashmiri's do not align with there terrorist otherwise why they have to threaten people to boycott election.

bottom line, having terrorist attack is not the way to achieve freedom, it can be achieved peacefully through other means, but since they have limited support they resort to violence.

Do not show me those videos of big ralleys, I know how rallies are organized, even offer for 1 meal can get the poor to show up at the rally.

brother

the terrorists come from across the border to kill ppl here....
can u imagine own kashmiri son killing his own friends father or mother or son here..
the one who comes across does it for money given to them and they have no hesitation in killing 'n' number of ppl here indiscriminately.....

than from across the border they say see Kashmir is not peaceful, there is freedom struggle etc etc...... to say all these things terrorists are trained across the border and then sent to kill innocent ppl here..... to acheive political points.......

what is happening is..
terrorism sponsored from within Pakistan and terrorists thriving there.... and not freedom struggle....

but now those very terrorists are killing 200 times more ppl in Pakistan itself than in India....!!!!!

they need to be shown no mercy... kill them all......
and up there they will get a place even worse then hell, created specially for them by Allah....

Coz Allah will never forgive a terrorist who kills a 2-3 year old kid by his bullets....
(and tthe terrorists thinks he will get heaven by killing a 2-3 year old kid..... not heaven... but a place even worse than hell is what they will get from Allah for such a heinous crime....no one can forgive killing of a innocent....NEVER)

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

it is the bloody terrorists who have done this....Sent from across the border terrorist organisations....

you means Children and Women are also terrorists?

Even in the age of Stones people keep away the children and Women during fights. are you worse then ....?

The terrorists are nationals from areas of Pak/Afghan etc and not

They belong to Jammu & Kashmir .. what ever you say but whole world know it.

The terrrorists are not born here but come from outside India to spread terror here.....
and this is not called freedom movement... it is terrorism supported by foreign country in India...

They are freedom fighter belong to Kashmir. They came in front to protest when Indian Cruelty become at its peak.


Why you don't see the protests against GOI in kashmir?
Why you don't hear when they say "We want freedom'?
Why you don't see when they ..
why you don't hear their Cry?
Why you don't hear when they say 'Pakistan Zinda bad'

and now that monster is affecting Pakistan itself....!!!!!!
realise this soon at least now when thousands of ur own ppl are being killed.....2 terrorists here killed u say freedom fighting...

so major blasts in every major Pakistan city almost every second day.... thousands of ppl killed....those bloody terrorists are destroying ur own country....at least feel for ur own ppl......or is it also supported by you .... is it also freedom struggle there for you..????

dont be so taken over by hate that u even forgive those who kill ur brothers/sisters in ur own streerts almost daily....

Why you bend your discussion towards terrorism in Pakistan.
Kashmir is dispute since 1947, There are 95% Muslims asking for Freedom. And you are occupying the territory with terrorism.

If you call it terrorism , what ever you say , If i would have 1000 Lives , I will wish to give my blood for the freedom of Kashmir.

 

[RAHUL INDIAN]

you means Children and Women are also terrorists?

did childen and women killed all those ppl in bomb blasts and land mines and hand grenades and machine guns..?????

They belong to Jammu & Kashmir .. what ever you say but whole world know it.

dude go outside from ur home....The whole world knows

TERRORISTS=====Pakistan/Afghan Creation
and then they are exported to every part of world, and used as such as domestic production in Pakistan for killing its own ppl.....

They are freedom fighter belong to Kashmir. They came in front to protest when Indian Cruelty become at its peak.

that is why they always come from across the border and are always Pakisan/Afghan etc etc nationals...!!!!!!!!!!

Why you don't see the protests against GOI in kashmir?
Why you don't hear when they say "We want freedom'?
Why you don't see when they ..
why you don't hear their Cry?
Why you don't hear when they say 'Pakistan Zinda bad'

if 1% of ppl that too disturbed due to TERRORISM OF TERRORISTS SENT FROM OUTSIDE do this it means nothing...

U cant see the REST OF 60-70% WHO VOTE VERY VERY EAGERLY IN THE FORMATION OF THE GOVT.....

Why you bend your discussion towards terrorism in Pakistan.

why ppl are being killed there..... IS IT ALSO FREEDOM STRUGGLE...?????

5 ppl killed in kashmir by foreign hired foreign terrorists=is not freedom struggle but is FOREIGN SPONSORED TERRORISM

2000 ppl killed in Pakistan by OWN Pak/Afghan terrorists=== ???????????
(there are the same terrorists there and in India... so u support them and allow them to kill 100000 times ur own ppl...WHYYYYY
coz they also kill 5-10 ppl in India also....u support this..??????????)

Kashmir is dispute since 1947, There are 95% Muslims asking for Freedom. And you are occupying the territory with terrorism.

disputed..... STOP SENDING THOSE TERRORISTS FROM OUTSIDE.....KASHMIR WILL BE THE MOST PEACEFUL PLACE ON EARTH.....

If you call it terrorism , what ever you say , If i would have 1000 Lives , I will wish to give my blood for the freedom of Kashmir.

DO NOT COME....We do not want ppl/terrorists who COME FROM OUTSIDE and KILL OUR INNOCENT PPL IN KASHMIR.....

ALL SUCH PPL WILL BE KILLED BRUTALLY.....NO MERCY..
no one needs ur blood...plz dont come to Kashmir to kill some more innocent ppl there- mothers/sisters/brothers/kids/elders..... to propel ur political aims....

 

[Maddy2105]

you means Children and Women are also terrorists?

Even in the age of Stones people keep away the children and Women during fights. are you worse then ....?



They belong to Jammu & Kashmir .. what ever you say but whole world know it.



They are freedom fighter belong to Kashmir. They came in front to protest when Indian Cruelty become at its peak.


Why you don't see the protests against GOI in kashmir?
Why you don't hear when they say "We want freedom'?
Why you don't see when they ..
why you don't hear their Cry?
Why you don't hear when they say 'Pakistan Zinda bad'



Why you bend your discussion towards terrorism in Pakistan.
Kashmir is dispute since 1947, There are 95% Muslims asking for Freedom. And you are occupying the territory with terrorism.

If you call it terrorism , what ever you say , If i would have 1000 Lives , I will wish to give my blood for the freedom of Kashmir.

what in the world are you smoking ? Stop reading Rupee news
95% of those terrorists are pak/afgan nationals .

I don't mind Pakistanis giving blood for "so called freedom" of Kashmir, just don't kill innocent lives in the process and Blame it on " EVIL INDIANS"

You stop your proxy war and Kashmir will become a peaceful place .

 

[notsuperstitious]

@bus tum pak - We have no problems u giving your lives a thousand times over, just don't take anyone else's

Ya stone age was much better, as things worsened we started making slaves of our enemies women and children with religious sanction.

 

[notsuperstitious]

@Maddy2105 & ek_indian, what i was narrating is generally how encounter takes place in 90% terrorist attacks. A painfully long soviet tactics of 60's/ 70's is applied and Indian army waits for terrorists to come out rather themselves going in. Acknowledge this soviet mindset plague of your warfare, will be better for you. It hardly takes 1 hr to clear an apartment or house with SWAT teams storming in. What i really want to digress is India should equip its soldiers with new gadgets and training, AK-47 or insas isn't made for urban warfare.

I agree to some extent, but look at the dampening effect it has on the zeel of these idiots seeking martyrdom. They go in thinking they'll go down in a hail of bullets all heroic and all directly into heaven, but only to get hit by a falling steel bar made by jp steel gurgaon. At that stage they probably realise that that bar is all they are going to have for company after martyrdom too. its not western, but an effective tactic against brainwashed illiterate idiots.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

looks like situation in Sri Nagar is going from bad to worse.

Kashmiris are again beginning to rebel against indian army