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They key to solution lies in Pakistan. A few humble suggestions. Decide a goal and a grand strategy to attain it. The goal should be re arranging the power balance in south asia in favour of Pakistan. Set limited objectives to follow the grand strategy to attain the goal.

As a smaller state relative to its adversary, Pakistan needs to have a 4 prong limited quick objectives encompassing military, economic, diplomatic and cultural.

Humble suggestions for limited quick objectives.

Military - Define your enemy. Afghan establishment and India.
It is perhaps time to make each army command like the southern command an independent combatant command with its own corps, air and naval assets (in case of karachi corps). mini centcoms is what it means. Many would disagree with division of forces but resources available will multiply to each.

Would like to see a new gilgit mountain corps in a combatant command, instead of a division lead by a force commander.

Using paramilitary forces more aggressively against afghanistan and perhaps limited precision air strikes to send a hostile message to the eastern front.

Concentration of forces in sensitive areas along the east is also recommended. A new command of conventional Rocket forces independent of corps with ballistic and Mlrs is not a bad option. That will separate the nuclear deterrent from conventional one.

For the navy one would recommend having smaller warships instead of bigger frigates. A large fleet of lets say type 056 corvettes with proper air cover is enough to close the numerical gap.

Economic
Privatize immediately and save 11 billion dollars in wastage. Go for a more controlled economy. Top private business men under govt supervision.

Diplomatic
Collaborate with each country differently. Collaborate with Iran on mutually beneficial objectives example baluchistan insurgency. Collaborate with Tajkistan on fighting extremism unbiased ( people will understand what it means. Ask China, Iran, Tajkistan to open consulates in gilgit baltistan and in gwadar oman, KSA, iran and Gcc.
Have separate envoys for designated areas with professional diplomats. A 'stans' organization with all 'stan' countries is not a bad idea and turkey and iran china or even russia could be made member states as all these powers border the 'stan' countries. If nothing else a healthy meeting. More like a turkic council for Pakistan.

Culture
The most important is culture. Pakistan is immersed in biases. People against people and institutions against institutions. Pakistani muslim nationalism is what should be infused. Many only side with afghans because of muslim heritage thus ignoring Pakistan's interests.

Civil military bureaucracy including judiciary should be stricly dealt with. One would prefer a Total defense policy followed by singapore but that is hard for Pakistan. People interested in Total defense policy can get a gist of it on wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_defence

Would be easier to implement this if Pakistan is ruled under presidential orders. Mr. Khan can swap places with his friend Alvi and become a president like putin. Courts and bureaucracy and even the military will take him seriously.
 
For a starter Pakistan should conduct a UN and EU observed plebiscite in GB. not necessarily now but plan for it, do some work. I am sure 90℅ would vote for Pakistan. this would give us legitimacy, something india cant follow.
 
See if we take a realistic approach and get back what is rightly fully ours, then action is the only option, direct or indirect but preferably indirect. However that is only posssible if the domestic population of Kashmir knows what it wants. Which in our opinion is to unite with Azad Kashmir and have their own autonomous status. Judging from the past experiences in Kashmir, they not only betrayed our troops (during the 60s) that landed there but also the cause itself in 92 ( when Kashmiris has an well armed freedom force of around 20,000 fighters. It may sound harsh but reality always is especially when it comes to our national security.

Point being we as Pakistanis have always supported the Kashmiris on every front and will continue to do so but they have to decide for themselves and the rest will follow.
 
See if we take a realistic approach and get back what is rightly fully ours, then action is the only option, direct or indirect but preferably indirect. However that is only posssible if the domestic population of Kashmir knows what it wants. Which in our opinion is to unite with Azad Kashmir and have their own autonomous status. Judging from the past experiences in Kashmir, they not only betrayed our troops (during the 60s) that landed there but also the cause itself in 92 ( when Kashmiris has an well armed freedom force of around 20,000 fighters. It may sound harsh but reality always is especially when it comes to our national security.

Point being we as Pakistanis have always supported the Kashmiris on every front and will continue to do so but they have to decide for themselves and the rest will follow.

My approach and opinion as well, many observers in the past noted during times of conflict their men never rose up to fight.

Also, not just betrayed us while we landed their but also fought against Pak Forces, Sheikh Abdullah set up the "Peace Brigade" -- when war broke out it was used against Pak Forces -- that bridge comprised of not just Hindu's & Sikhs but also Muslims (Female's were also told stand with Hindu's and Sikhs) under direct command of Abdullah. This force held the line -- freeing up Indian Army to engage offensively from the valley.

See is Sheikh Abdullah at the U.N.:

In February 1948, Sheikh Abdullah, the first prime minister of Jammu and Kashmir after independence, was sent to the United Nations to support India’s case. Speaking for Kashmir, he stridently declared, “We shall prefer death rather than join Pakistan. We shall have nothing to do with such a country.”


-- One mans decision fucked up his whole people for generations to come.
 
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only option 1 looks practical but we must prepare for war if we want option 1.all other options are useless and doesn't put pressure on india.we did nothing when they abrogated 370.i don't understand mindset of elite who are running this country.my question is why so much cry for kashmir when we give the same kashmir to india so easily? i mean we cried 70 years.that is pathetic.
 
i think military option is required for solution of kashmir issue,development in azad kashmir will never occur if india continue to violate ceasefire as it creates fear in investors so strong military action is needed to stop such attacks by india
 
only option 1 looks practical but we must prepare for war if we want option 1.all other options are useless and doesn't put pressure on india.we did nothing when they abrogated 370.i don't understand mindset of elite who are running this country.my question is why so much cry for kashmir when we give the same kashmir to india so easily? i mean we cried 70 years.that is pathetic.

Nawaz screwed up the Kashmiri movement after he ran to Clinton and Musharraf joint WOT after 9/11 was forced to wind down the militias. At the moment we don’t have other actors to play a part to cause death by a thousand cuts.

Right now as others say besides a full fledge war we have no other options. But we also lack the armor and force multipliers to inflict damage as another member pointed out Indian developed integrated battle groups a concept giving them all the equipment they need during a thrust to create havoc in their way.

Unless we develop a thrust plan based on the “Total War” concept laid out by Carl Von Clausewitz by using all national resources in a concentrated block to the enemy it’s not possible. And I have to admit some of our officers are useless in implementing these sort of plans and talking to some recent retired officers don’t give much hope either majority of the time I’m thinking WTF.

We don’t have a solid doctrine and honestly none really know what it is.
 
the only option for Pakistan is to absorb Pakistan Occupied kashmir into Pakistan and accept LOC as a boarder. None of the sides can take away any territory by force from the other side, no matter how much bravado we see in online discussions.

The day India abrogated article 370, the fate for kashmiris were sealed.

Pakistan did not do anything, cloud not do anything and will not do anything..
 
the only option for Pakistan is to absorb Pakistan Occupied kashmir into Pakistan and accept LOC as a boarder. None of the sides can take away any territory by force from the other side, no matter how much bravado we see in online discussions.

The likes of you were also very much sure and certain, from 1885, when INC was founded, down to 1947, that India would remain united and were suggesting, to Muslims, to accept it as a fait accompli; but it didn't happen that way. Future has many hidden possibilities, which cannot be fathomed, at any present. Await for these possibilities to unfold.
 
The likes of you were also very much sure and certain, from 1885, when INC was founded, down to 1947, that India would remain united and were suggesting, to Muslims, to accept it as a fait accompli; but it didn't happen that way. Future has many hidden possibilities, which cannot be fathomed, at any present. Await for these possibilities to unfold.
you are going too far back in the history ... I was born more than 100 years after INC was formed.

Anyway, i am referring the immediate to mid term time frame of 15-20 years ... and in this period, no change is status quo is going to happen... I believe most of the sane minded Indians and Pakistanis know that by heart, but its difficult to accept in face of national bravado and pride ...
 
There's is no option for us in talk . Geography issue never see in history sort it out by talks . Just get ready yourself in gazwa e hind participantion. It is just matter of time.
 
There's is no option for us in talk . Geography issue never see in history sort it out by talks . Just get ready yourself in gazwa e hind participantion. It is just matter of time.

LoL bro nothing will happen.

Its no use posting about kashmir. We are done, kashmir is gone.. They took it right under our noses.
 
you are going too far back in the history ... I was born more than 100 years after INC was formed.

The sociopolitical progression, whether in past or present, has nothing to do with whether, and when, an insignificant individual, like you or me, are born or dies.

Anyway, i am referring the immediate to mid term time frame of 15-20 years ... and in this period, no change is status quo is going to happen...

As I told you that likes of you were, similarly, in the "mid-term time frame of 15-20 years", were thinking that "no change in status quo is going to happen", from 1885-1906, 1906-1937 and 1937-1947; but then 1947 happened, which was beyond the imagination of the then "likes of you". Keep your fingers crossed.
 
The sociopolitical progression, whether in past or present, has nothing to do with whether, and when, an insignificant individual, like you or me, are born or dies.



As I told you that likes of you were, similarly, in the "mid-term time frame of 15-20 years", were thinking that "no change in status quo is going to happen", from 1885-1906, 1906-1937 and 1937-1947; but then 1947 happened, which was beyond the imagination of the then "likes of you". Keep your fingers crossed.
Its funny to know that people live in their parallel universe. If i could have taken you back to 1989, you might had already crossed all your 20 fingers in anticipation of Kashmiri freedom by 1992 or 1993... but it has been 30 years since Pakistanis like you saw the first silver-lining of new dawn in Kashmir ..
 
Its funny to know that people live in their parallel universe. If i could have taken you back to 1989, you might had already crossed all your 20 fingers in anticipation of Kashmiri freedom by 1992 or 1993... but it has been 30 years since Pakistanis like you saw the first silver-lining of new dawn in Kashmir ..

Now, from the higher pedestal of "to live like civilized human beings", you have come down to your real level of petty politics.:lol:
 

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