Indian state offers prizes for sterilisation

[harpoon]

read my post again, where did I mention financial status?

Then what do you mean by "relatively disadvantaged"

 

[patna_ke_presley]

The video the usual western inspired over population BS

We certainly hope to take over India too

For us people are a blessing not a curse. We must take advantage of our manpower not try to cut it down like grass.

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Partly western induced Jihadi ideas partly ourselves.

This is AlJazeera owned by Qatar and two Palestinians as their heads. how can you dismiss this news. Right now you are fighting with India over water because it is not enough for you, what will you do when your population will double and you will need more water to double your crop production.

 

[Abhishek_]

issues are aplenty Ashok, and I'm glad to see muslims doing exceedingly well in India. They are blood brothers to us.

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Then what do you mean by "relatively disadvantaged"

in terms of oppurtunities available to them. my focus is education, higher education generally leads to lower birth rate.

 

[ashokdeiva]

read my post again, where did I mention financial status?

your post quotes about disadvantage. I don't see a disadvantage that is imposed on them by the Government.
The government can only show the citizens a path its upto the citizens to move in herds to the goal the government sets to reach.
and when I say citizens it includes every one and every community. if a community stays behind because they think that they were NAWABS once and they can not be the part of the movement but only the leaders of the movement then its their problem.
there is a moral, when you want to eat a hot food, don't put your hand in the middle, but start from the sides.
that goes to the every one and the muslims of india too, if they want to be the leaders they have to be the followers first.

 

[untitled]

This is AlJazeera owned by Qatar and two Palestinians as their heads. how can you dismiss this news.

Because here in this case it is singing the same tune the west does.

Right now you are fighting with India over water because it is not enough for you, what will you do when your population will double and you will need more water to double your crop production.

More population will give us a better standing on the negotiating table on the international scene. Since you are hell bent on decreasing your population you wont need the water and wont have any justification to hold it back

 

[oFFbEAT]

OB muslims in india have a higher birth rate because they are still relatively disadvantaged, and part of the blame goes to the govt.
better education and job prospects will lower birth rate regardless of religion.

So you think, poor Muslims are in more disadvantageous position than poor Hindus!

Remember, caste system exists(even today) in Hindus only......Such social deprivation is faced by lower caste Hindus only.....Muslims do not face such deprivations.....AND economic deprivation is faced by poor people regardless of Hindus or Muslims.

So, I think Hindus are in a more disadvantageous position than Muslims.

 

[ashokdeiva]

issues are aplenty Ashok, and I'm glad to see muslims doing exceedingly well in India. They are blood brothers to us.

they are ofcouser our blood brothers, they should also have that attitude.

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Because here in this case it is singing the same tune the west does.



More population will give us a better standing on the negotiating table on the international scene. Since you are hell bent on decreasing your population you wont need the water and wont have any justification to hold it back

is this your idea of world dominance, its pathetic my brother.
we humans are like plague, we spread like disease, consume the natural resources of this planet and we make fertail lands into derserts because of the same kind of thinking you have.
what is the difference between us humans and virus that spreads on its host.

 

[Abhishek_]

So you think, poor Muslims are in more disadvantageous position than poor Hindus!

Remember, caste system exists(even today) in Hindus only......Such social deprivation is faced by lower caste Hindus only.....Muslims do face such deprivations.....AND economic deprivation is faced by poor people regardless of Hindus or Muslims.

So, I think Hindus are in a more disadvantageous position than Muslims.

did I mention any where that poor hindus are doing better than poor muslims. an empty stomach doesn't care about god.
I merely stated that overall muslims are disadvantaged and have higher growth rate.
The state in question here is rajasthan, and their policy is not geared towards hindus, its for everyone (as it should be)

my contention and disagreement with you was on the following point

Therefore, I think, controlling Hindu(speaking in general terms) population only MAY prove to be dangerous few years down the line.......It MAY even become a threat to India's Secular status....as Muslims tend to be intolerant towards other religions.

Govt of Rajasthan is not trying to control hindu population as you seem to imply.
Indian muslims are Indians foremost and are generally far more secular than they get credit for. they also need more education (just like the rest of us) in order to prosper and lower the birth rate.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

Because here in this case it is singing the same tune the west does.

More population will give us a better standing on the negotiating table on the international scene. Since you are hell bent on decreasing your population you wont need the water and wont have any justification to hold it back

had Pakistan or Bangladesh got that status in last 60 years.

 

[Abhishek_]

Because here in this case it is singing the same tune the west does.

More population will give us a better standing on the negotiating table on the international scene. Since you are hell bent on decreasing your population you wont need the water and wont have any justification to hold it back

like the adage goes, it's the economy stupid
(no personal attack intended)

 

[oFFbEAT]

Govt of Rajasthan is not trying to control hindu population as you seem to imply.
Indian muslims are Indians foremost and are generally far more secular than they get credit for. they also need more education (just like the rest of us) in order to prosper and lower the birth rate.

You didn't get my point.........

I never said that govt. of Rajasthan is trying to control Hindu population only......

I said, Muslims are generally averse towards any measures of Birth control as they regard children as "gifts of god"

Therefore birth control measurements of any kind will invariably lead to lower no. of Hindus in future....and this is my concern.

 

[Abhishek_]

You didn't get my point.........

I never said that govt. of Rajasthan is trying to control Hindu population only......

I said, Muslims are generally averse towards any measures of Birth control as they regard children as "gifts of god"

Therefore birth control measurements of any kind will invariably lead to lower no. of Hindus in future....and this is my concern.

higher education among muslims is the answer.

 

[oFFbEAT]

higher education among muslims is the answer.

The problem is not so simple Buddy.......

Opportunities are available or NOT available to everyone(especially the poor people) equally.

Muslims are not targeted on the basis of religion.

Tell me how will you provide them with the opportunity of Higher education if they are hell bent on Madrassa education only....and Imams only can decide about the madrassa syllabus.

And how will higher education make their birth rates fall if they consider children as "gifts of god"--so it is unSharia to control their birth.


Therefore, the opportunity(whatever it is) is there, equally for everyone....BUT few open-minded Muslims choose to take it....
So, few Muslims climb up the social and economic status.....It doesn't mean that Muslims are getting fewer opportunities.

 

[ashokdeiva]

I agree with offBeat in his argument on the 58th post of this thread

 

[Abhishek_]

im glad you mentioned madrassas, are you aware there has been significant push for reforms in madrassa education.
madrassas as a system needs to be regulated and audited just like private schools operating in the country.

this would be one major tool to improve education levels in the muslim masses.