Indian Special Forces

[anyrandom]

Marcos deployed in Srinagar-Sopore for flood relief..till now 200 kashmiris rescued by Marcos divers and other Marcos team in Vizag and Mumbai put on alert.

Doesn't that show the inadequacy of our national disaster team that we have to use an elite commando unit to rescue people?

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Doesn't that show the inadequacy of our national disaster team that we have to use an elite commando unit to rescue people?

Marcos are best trained for Water based warfare ....... in this situation only they are best men to do the job..... Look the PAK , more people died their despite flood reach late there

 

[Abingdonboy]

Doesn't that show the inadequacy of our national disaster team that we have to use an elite commando unit to rescue people?

Hardly, the NDRF has limitations it can't be everywhere not with its (relatively) small size of around 10,000 covering the vastness of India.

 

[Abingdonboy]

this the 1st pics of NSG with NVG.... nice pics bro....
nsg need a better NVGs than this one... FBI-HRT is using GPNVGs now.. as the best counter terror unit india nsg must need GPNVGs

First they should focus on getting twin-tube NVGs, forget about GPNVGs that cost a bomb ($40-60,000 USD EACH) and only the most well funded SOFs in the world have them (AFAIK DEVGRU,Delta and FBI-HRT(?)). Helmet mounted NVGs is a step forward for the NSG anyway (hadn't seen these in use before with them once).

 

[hkdas]

FBI-HRT(?)). .

this pics shows the advantage of using GPNVG:

our military and politicians are eager to increase the number of commandos in NSG, not the quality of equipments. you see the size of the HRT is ~90. india must maintain a unit like HRT with the same standard of US counterpart. if the size of commandos are less then we can have all the good quality equipments with a small budget. but the NSG's monocular NVG is very pathetic. only thing that makes me happy is that that NVG used by NSG is indigenous(MKU Jaguar7)

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Hardly, the NDRF has limitations it can't be everywhere not with its (relatively) small size of around 10,000 covering the vastness of India.

Not really. Consider this: a NDRF Team from Pune has been air-lifted and deployed in J & K. Mobilisation si much more speedy and efficient now than ever before.

 

[Abingdonboy]

our military and politicians are eager to increase the number of commandos in NSG, not the quality of equipments. you see the size of the HRT is ~90. india must maintain a unit like HRT with the same standard of US counterpart. if the size of commandos are less then we can have all the good quality equipments with a small budget. but the NSG's monocular NVG is very pathetic. only thing that makes me happy is that that NVG used by NSG is indigenous(MKU Jaguar7)

Bro, I've told you before- it is stupid to compare the US model to the Indian. In the US every FBI field office (located in every state) has its own SWAT team that extremely well trained and equipped this is on top of the local/state SWAT teams that are also incredibly well equipped and trained. In India (whilst it is sort of changing) there isn't this kind of availability of well trained/equipped special response personal and thus it needs to be addressed largely by the federal govt (NSG) until the conditions are considerably improved on a local level as far as availability of such teams/units goes.

Also the point about the NSG being too large is moot on two levels- the majority of the NSG are made up of SRG personal (the ones that protect VIPs and are purely from CAPFs) and NOT SAG (the "shooters" who conduct CT ops all from the IA). Right now the SRG is actively being decreased and the SAG (which is only around 1,500-2000 in number currently) being marginally increased so it's not an issue really. The real issue is the budget as it is- the budget per operator is going to be very low the NSG because the overall budget is modest this will be addressed in due time as India's economy grows. But right now the NSG needs to be relatively large, having a group of, say, 90 men (if you want to use the FBI HRT model) based in Delhi means that it could still take untold hours to fly them to distant parts of the country not to mention that as the availability of well trained/equipped/capable on the ground wherever they fly to in India is not assured then 90 is just far too small. For a 26/11 type situation where you have multiple target locations separated geographically all with vast rooms needing to be cleared you need a force of upwards of 300-400 operators and more if you need to provide a perimeter to all locations yourself (in the US local/state law enforcement would easily be up to the task, in India only certain states/cities could be counted upon right now). Thus the NSG needs to be large anyway, as they can't count on local resources, they need to be (and are) as self contained as possible. Did you know the main CT task force in Delhi that is available 24/7 to fly out to anywhere in India fly with their own food, communications systems, specialised vehicles, spare equipment etc etc

As such comparing the US and Indian systems right now is comparing apples and oranges and is quite laughable.

Not really. Consider this: a NDRF Team from Pune has been air-lifted and deployed in J & K. Mobilisation si much more speedy and efficient now than ever before.

Mobilisation is not the issue sir but these missions (rescue/relief) are highly manpower intensive and thus the small size of it (relatively) is its own limitation and people need to understand this before attacking the NDRF and also bear in mind that never will the entire NDRF force (all 10,000 or so) be deployed in a relief mission as the NDRF teams in other parts of th country have to be where they are to cover that part of the country.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

this pics shows the advantage of using GPNVG:

our military and politicians are eager to increase the number of commandosot the quality of equipments. you see the size of the HRT is ~90. india must maintain a unit like HRT with the same standard of US counterpart. if the size of commandos are less then we can have all the good quality equipments with a small budget. but the NSG's monocular NVG is very pathetic. only thing that makes me happy is that that NVG used by NSG is indigenous(MKU Jaguar7)

If we maintan a force of 3000 elite SF operators...2000 for Army..250 for Amphibious ops or Marcos and 250 for NSG and 100 for Garuds and rest 400 for reserve then we can definitely have one of the better equipped forces.

But everyone likes the size not the punch it can pack.

 

[Abingdonboy]

If we maintan a force of 3000 elite SF operators...2000 for Army..250 for Amphibious ops or Marcos and 250 for NSG and 100 for Garuds and rest 400 for reserve then we can definitely have one of the better equipped forces.

But everyone likes the size not the punch it can pack.

I'm sorry bro but this is FAR too small for a country as large as India with the amount of threats India faces, as time goes by the demand on SOFs only is going to increase. The number as it is now (10-12,000 not including NSG) is good enough and should be kept at this level. India's defence budget now is only going to increase as time goes by and within a decade India's SOFs will be well funded enough to compete with the Western SOFs (maybe not the US SOFs but everyone else). It is a question of budget right now not size per se as the training will remain top-notch. Obviously it is possible to do both- the US SOCOM has over 60,000 operators .

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I'm sorry bro but this is FAR too small for a country as large as India with the amount of threats India faces, as time goes by the demand on SOFs only is going to increase. The number as it is now (10-12,000 not including NSG) is good enough and should be kept at this level. India's defence budget now is only going to increase as time goes by and within a decade India's SOFs will be well funded enough to compete with the Western SOFs (maybe not the US SOFs but everyone else). It is a question of budget right now not size per se as the training will remain top-notch. Obviously it is possible to do both- the US SOCOM has over 60,000 operators .

Well I strongly disagree with you mate.If we were talking about street gangs then I would be happy with big numbers but we are talking about highly trained and skilled soldiers with good technical, survival and linguistic knowledge who are trained to kill tens and hundreds of enemies in minutes if not seconds while being highly outnumbered.

Look at the recent NSG pics.Even the 2nd rated US Police SWAT would be better equipped than them in a situation where US Police has to face psycos while we have to face well trained terrorists.

The year 2015 iw few months away..where is the NSG upgrade.I still see bulky helmets, outdated guns, no secondary weapon for most, poor or no nvg, no corner shot in the pics, no tactical shield, no protective eye wear,no gloves, no uavs for surveillance.

Had the numbers been small we would have had atleast 500 well equipped operators...but now we have a 10,000 strong super infantry.

The bottom line is that still Indian SFs are poorly equipped and badly utilised and will continue to be in this state.

 

[hkdas]

IAF garud commandos in a mil 17 during rescue ops in srinagar....

 

[Abingdonboy]

IAF garud commandos in a mil 17 during rescue ops in srinagar....

It seems the Garuds are being used to winch down and assemble/harness survivors to be winched up to the helos- makes sense, CSAR is part of their mandate.

 

[hkdas]

marcos...

 

[hkdas]

J&K: Marine commandos to establish waterways in Srinagar - IBNLive

The MARCOS have already saved 1,500 people who were stuck in the floods. They have been equipped with diving sets and satellite phones to carry out their operations, the officials said

 

[hkdas]

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Abingdonboy,
Training an eye on China and Afghanistan India is looking at developing stronger defense ties with central Asian countries including Turkmenistan Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan in order to increase its sphere of influence in the C - daily.bhaskar.com

Joint exercises of Indian Army with friendly foreign nations

1. Agni Warrior with Singapore (Nov-Dec 2012)

2. Surya Kiran with Nepal (Dec 2012)

3. Special Forces exercise with Sri Lanka (Dec 12)

4. Indo-Kazak Spl Force with Kazakstan (Dec 12)

5. Sanpriti-III with Bangladesh (Feb-March 13)

6. Bold Kunul with Singapore (March 13)

7. Ajeya Warrior with United Kingdom (May 13)

8. Yuddh Abhyas with USA (May 13)

9. Nomadic Elephant with Mongolia (June 13)

10. Khan Quest with Mongolia (Aug 13)

11. Shakti-13 with France (Sept 13)

12. Shatrujeet with USA (Oct 13)

13. Surya Kiran-V with Nepal (Sept 13)

14. Indra with Russia (Sept 13)

15. Hand-inHand with China (Nov 13)

16. Garud Shakti with Indonesia (Dec 13)

Planned for 2014

1.Vajra Prahar with USA (Feb-Marc 14)

2.Surya Kiran-V with Nepal (March 14)

3.Yudhh Abhyas with USA (June 14)

guys in this news dated on jan 2014 says about the upcoming joint training exercise with army. in this
.Vajra Prahar with USA (Feb-Marc 14) Shatrujeet with USA (Oct 13) are joint Special forces training exercise.. any info on these exercise?? is it done or postponed or cancelled??