Indian Special Forces

[Water Car Engineer]

NSG is not related to armed forces special unit like those of IA, IAF or IN, though there are some recruits. They are mainly for civilian purposes like anti terrorist operation, security etc not to fight war.





thats what I am saying MARCOS is one of the most secretive of the armed forces special units they don't reveal the weapons and systems they have. not even number.

The title says Indian army and its special forces..

Special forces, or Special Operations forces are terms used to describe elite military, police, or civilian paramilitary tactical teams trained to perform one or more of the following missions: Special Reconnaissance, Direct Action, Foreign internal defense, Unconventional warfare, or Counter-terrorism, although additional missions like humanitarian aid or counter-drug operations may be performed. They are suited to operating against informally structured, irregular and asymmetric forces and capable of operating independently, or in direct support of either conventional military forces or other government departmental requirements. They are high value assets, commanded at the strategic level that deliver effects disproportionately to their size.

 

[Kinetic]

The title says Indian army and its special forces..

Yes, Indian army and its special forces.... and NSG is not one of them. lol

 

[Kinetic]

Right....

Dont think helmets are over.. Until these tin can helmets are gone, then you can say over.

You said that Pakistani special forces are better equipped and pointed toward ballistic helmets so I said Indian forces also have them then what more about that? Do you think these are tin cans as well? No.....

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Yes, Indian army and its special forces.... and NSG is not one of them. lol

NSG is not related to armed forces special unit like those of IA, IAF or IN

So, Marcos and Garud pictures should not be allowed then? Just Paras and such? IA ands its special forces right? Not special forces from IN and IAF?

I doubt most of those tin cans and motorcycle helmets are replaced by ballistic helmets. Until then, you can check it of your list.

 

[IndianArmy]

Liquid and Kinetic.... What is Happening in here???

 

[Kinetic]

So, Marcos and Garud pictures should not be allowed then? Just Paras and such? IA ands its special forces right? Not special forces from IN and IAF?

Yes, but MARCOS and Garud are units of armed forces unlike NSG, SPG etc.

 

[Dalai Lama]

Take it easy guys.

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I'm with Liquid on this one. GoI needs to spend some money on better equipping our infantrymen and SF commandos. Buying fancy aircraft is fine and dandy but you can't afford to neglect other areas of our defence.

Maybe IndianArmy can give us a better idea on how well the soldiers are equipped?

EDIT: I think it would be very helpful since we can only form our opinion based on these limited pictures.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Liquid and Kinetic.... What is Happening in here???

He doesn't want to admit that Indian special forces are under equipped. And when I said Pakistani SF might be better equipped then Indian SF it stroke a struck a raw nerve.

Yes, but MARCOS and Garud are units of armed forces unlike NSG, SPG etc.

Title didn't say armed forces, but IA and its special forces. In that case MARCOS shouldn't be talked about at all.

 

[Kinetic]

He doesn't want to admit that Indian special forces are under equipped. And when I said Pakistani SF might be better equipped then Indian SF it stroke a struck a raw nerve.

But failed to prove that they are under equipped and still roaming around NSG.

Title didn't say armed forces, but IA and its special forces. In that case MARCOS shouldn't be talked about at all.

So be it, then what? why post NSG pics?

You still didn't say how Pakistan special forces more equipped than Indians. Passing a comment is very easy but sticking to it is very difficult. lol

 

[Water Car Engineer]

So be it, then what? why post NSG pics?

Man, look all the way back to the first page, you can see SPG. Thats not IA special forces or IAF or IN. NSG is relevant then.

And I bet you I wasnt the first to post NSG pics.

You still didn't say how Pakistan special forces more equipped than Indians. Passing a comment is very easy but sticking to it is very difficult.

Look this is what I seen so far of their special forces. I think it looks better then most of Indian SP. How ever in 10-20 years this will def change.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Its SPG 's counter-sniper unit !

How do you counter snipe with an AK?

 

[Dalai Lama]

@Kinetic

The title of this thread isn't the holy grail mate. We all know that this thread is mostly for Indian SF so I think it's okay to post NSG pictures. Now let's get back on topic please.

 

[gubbi]

Liquid and Kinetic.... What is Happening in here???

Hi,
If it isnt asking for too much, can you throw some light on Establishment 22 and the DMI - two of the very secretive SF in India. There is only one article which kind of delves into the making of Establishment 22 (reports directly to RAW) while absolutely nothing is known about the DMI and its activities. IIRC, I believe I read somewhere (cant find source so you may disregard this piece of information) that in most of the cases where RAW is 'blamed' its actually the handiwork of the DMI. True?

Establishment 22

It’s not easy to find Radug Ngawang’s house among the maze of narrow lanes in Majnu ka Tilla, the bustling Tibetan settlement by the Yamuna in north Delhi. As we get closer, some people offer us directions. After all, the 83-year-old Ngawang is known within the community as one of the handful of body guards who accompanied the Dalai Lama when he fled to India in 1959.

What they probably don’t know is that he was also an elite commando trained and armed by the US’s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). And that for a decade and a half he was first a soldier and then leader of a top-secret Indian regiment that was raised exactly 47 years ago yesterday. Ngawang was a founding member of what, in grand government euphemism, is known as Establishment 22.

The story of this still-secret regiment, however, reads like a set of Catch 22 situations.

Though it was raised to fight the Chinese army in Tibet, it has fought in several theatres of war except that one. It’s so classified a set-up that even the army may not know what it’s up to — it reports directly to the prime minister via the directorate general of security in the cabinet secretariat; so the gallantry of its soldiers cannot be publicly recognised. It’s supposed to be a group of volunteers; but all school-passing Tibetan children not making a certain grade are still expected to join it.

Jawaharlal Nehru took the decision to raise the force on his birthday in 1962. It was also the day the war with China resumed on the eastern front after a brief lull. On the advice of Intelligence Bureau founder-director Bhola Nath Mullick and World War II veteran Biju Patnaik, Nehru ordered the raising of a Tibetan guerrilla force that could engage the Chinese in the uber-tough terrains of the Himalayas.

Sitting in his house on the Yamuna, Ngawang says that it was early 1963 when the first batch of about 12,000 Tibetans was brought to Chakrata, 100 km from Dehradun. Former armyman Sujan Singh Uban was the first inspector-general tasked with turning these rugged highlanders into fierce fighters — with substantial help from the CIA. The group took its intriguing name after the 22 Mountain Regiment that Uban had fought for during WWII.

Since then, the regiment — also called the Special Frontier Force (SFF) — has participated with exemplary skill in Operation Eagle (securing Chittagong hills during the Bangladesh War of 1971, where 46 soldiers of the regiment died), Operation Bluestar (clearing Amritsar’s Golden Temple in 1984), Operation Meghdoot (securing the Siachen glacier in 1984) and Operation Vijay (war with Pakistan at Kargil in 1999).

Some reports later claimed that SFF’s mandate had been changed to include anti-terrorist operations. But Vikram Sood, director of the Research & Analysis Wing during 2001-03, and B. Raman, additional secretary in the security wing of the cabinet secretariat during 1988-94, deny any change from the original mandate.

The total number of soldiers, though, has changed — swelling to about 20,000 around 1970 and then whittling down to below 10,000. It’s difficult to know the exact count at present because of the tight lid of secrecy.

The lid was, however, blown in 1978. Indian newspapers reported that an electronic intelligence machine passed on by the CIA and mounted atop Nanda Devi in 1965 to track Chinese missile tests had gone missing. The bigger worry was over the plutonium generator that powered the machine. As Prime Minister Morarji Desai assured a worried Parliament on nuclear safety, the mention of SFF, that had mostly manned the operation, slipped out.

Captain Manmohan Singh Kohli, 78, adviser to the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (then called the Frontier Rifles) who led the operation, says, “The SFF men were real tough… Once, when we were building a helipad a large rock had to be removed. It needed seven men to lift — even six wouldn’t do. Then, one of the SFF guys said, ‘Put it on my back.’ And he alone carried it about 15 feet and threw it.”

Commandant Dinesh Tewari, 68, a former Gurkha regiment captain who put thousands of SFF soldiers through a gruelling 44-week commando course during 1969-75, says, “They can survive in any condition... On some winter mornings I would watch some of them taking chilly water into their mouth, warming it, and then spitting it out to wash their face.”

But for all their hardship and valour, SFF men and women have got little official recognition.

Ngawang, who retired as a Dapon (equivalent of a brigadier), the top rank among SFF’s Tibetans, in 1976, says, “We were promised medals after Bangladesh, but never got them — only some cash, that too a few thousands.” On retirement he got Rs 19,000. He and his wife Dechen, who trained for SFF’s women’s wing, have sold sweaters and run restaurants to make ends meet.

Some other ex-members, too, run shops in Dharamshala or Delhi. Many more others bide their last years at an old-age home in Dehradun.

Only recently have a few SFF soldiers been given gallantry awards for Siachen and Kargil. Payscales, too, have been made to match those in the army. A serving soldier reports that a few months ago, for the first time, the government promised them pensions.

But a soldier wants recognition, too. Captain Kohli, who was awarded the Ati Vishisht Seva medal, says, “I was conferred the AVSM by the Navy, because it was a covert operation... I am sure the SFF men get recognition and awards within their own system.” Just that nobody is saying how.

 

[Dalai Lama]

How do you counter snipe with an AK?

An AK-47 is an assault rifle so it's still relatively accurate. The counter sniper unit is mostly meant for urban areas where snipers won't be at extremely far ranges. In short, a few well placed rounds in the right direction will keep the sniper suppressed allowing other forces to sneak up on him.

 

[Kinetic]

Man, look all the way back to the first page, you can see SPG. Thats not IA special forces or IAF or IN. NSG is relevant then.

And I bet you I wasnt the first to post NSG pics.

Than why are you comparing NSG with Pakistan armed forces special units? Why don't compare with their civilian equivalent? You still didn't say how they are better equipped. I can see where it "stroke a struck a raw nerve".