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Firstly,i dont trust Wikipedia.

Secondly,whatever the Army buys for the soldier..it wil first go to the Paras and then everybody else...so those helmets you see are new to the Army and i dont think Ghataks would get it before the Paras.

In the Army there is a priority given to the Paras coz of the job they do.

Thirdly,i dont know if the RR has Tavors or not but i will tell you something...

*The RR personnel go on operation with the Para guys...so those soldiers you see standing in front of RR vehicles can very well be Para guys.

*Now where do you think RR personnel come from..the Army right?..ya but how are they alloted a unit in RR?..they are alloted a unit depending upon their regiment...every regiment has 2-3 RR battalions to which they send their troops.

Like the Kumaon regtt will have 1st 8th and 23 rr battalion(just giving an example..not giving the exact no of the battalion).

So my point is like every regiment has its RR..the Para also has its RR battalion...now how the heck can you be soo sure that those guys carrying Tavors are not from a RR which belongs to Para??

If anyone can prove here that Ghataks also have those helmets..i would be happy to accept my mistake and do please show me some pics of Ghataks wearing those helmets and carrying Tavors.


Lastly i have seen videos of that excercise in youtube and i dont think they are Ghatak of the simple reason they were so good with their room intervention drills..i have seen Ghataks do room intervention and their techniques are different.

Anyways,feel free to disagree and i will be more than happy if they are Ghataks coz of the equipment they have got and the superb skills they were showing.
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Now the Marcos news of getting Tavors i recently read but do show me some pics of Garuds carrying Tavors..if you can find any.
 
I am not too fond of wikipedia and i believe what i see..in VAYU SHAKTI 2010 the Garuds took part..and if they had Tavors..i see no reason why they wont show it to the whole world considering it was a show off excercise..but cant see any tavors here...can you?????????


 
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@ boris

my friend..here is a pic of Garuds doing CT trainning.

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Secondly,whatever the Army buys for the soldier..it wil first go to the Paras and then everybody else...so those helmets you see are new to the Army and i dont think Ghataks would get it before the Paras.
I never said first the equipment went to ghatak and then to para. Paras are the SF, so its obvious they will get the best equipment and that too at first.

I am not too fond of wikipedia and i believe what i see..in VAYU SHAKTI 2010 the Garuds took part..and if they had Tavors..i see no reason why they wont show it to the whole world considering it was a show off excercise..but cant see any tavors here...can you?????????
I also posted news articles. Look it might be possible that not all the garuds have Tavor. Just like navy ordered only 500 tavor but the actual strength of Marcos is more than that.

The RR personnel go on operation with the Para guys...so those soldiers you see standing in front of RR vehicles can very well be Para guys.
Just google it buddy...you will find many articles of RR using tavor, also you can distinguish between a para commando and a RR soldier because officially paras have many things through which you can distinguish them from others (not just maroon cap).

So my point is like every regiment has its RR..the Para also has its RR battalion...now how the heck can you be soo sure that those guys carrying Tavors are not from a RR which belongs to Para??
Thats the first time i am hearing such kind of statement. Where did you came with this?? Any source ??/

The Rashtriya Rifles is a counter-insurgency/anti-terrorist force in India. It is a paramilitary force deployed in Jammu and Kashmir and is considered the world's largest dedicated counter-insurgency force in the world.

If anyone can prove here that Ghataks also have those helmets..
Why you are emphasizing on helmets. I am talking about tavor.

Anyways,feel free to disagree and i will be more than happy if they are Ghataks coz of the equipment they have got and the superb skills they were showing.
I am not sure who they are. After a lot of searching i found this...

A Naga regiment of the Mountain Brigade of Central Command Division took part in this exercise along with Russian troops
Also no signs of SF is there, might be hidden but still i doubt these soldiers are SF.

A most suitable explanation : Our army just wanted to show that we are also well equipped and hence they showed tavor, new helmets(although i didn't like the helmets lookwise) and new bullet proof jackets.
 
I hate this article but unfortunately its true...
Broken Promises Rattle Indian Operators

December 1, 2010: The Indian Army has another Special Forces crises on its hands. One components of Indian special operations, the Para-Commando force, is adding an eighth battalion. There are growing complaints that the troops involved are not getting adequate training or equipment. This is an increasingly common issue for all the Special Forces troops. India has several different special operations groups and, each of these groups has a specific mission, and all too often, serious problems with the government bureaucracy.
Para Commandos form the parachute infantry of the Army, but have been given additional training and equipment to enable them to carry out commando type operations.

The Special Protection group are assigned the task of protection for India's Prime Minister and VIPs from terrorist attacks.

The elite MARCOS unit acts as India's Navy SEAL teams and performs special ops on the high seas.

The primary counter-terror unit in the country, however, are the 15,000 National Security Guards and the ones who have borne most of the responsibility for tackling India's persistent insurgent problems over the last couple of decades.

The army is in the process of forming a force of over 7,200 commandos so that each of the 359 infantry battalions in the army will have a twenty man Ghatak (commando) platoon. While this gives each battalion some shock troops, it also increases discontent among the rest of the troops, who now see modern equipment up close, and wonder why they don't have it.

India has been increasing spending on equipment for its ground forces over the last decade, but these efforts have been uneven. Some of this has been caused by corruption. Like many other nations, India has long had problems with kickbacks and favoritism in defense procurement. But it's been worse with India, which ranks 87 (out of 180) in an international survey of least corrupt nations. Last year India was 84. India has responded with a major effort to halt corruption in defense matters, but this has stalled some procurement efforts.

The end result of this is that India is under increasing pressure, from below, to honor promises to upgrade the weapons and equipment of the infantry forces. These troops have fallen far behind other armies, and the troops, and especially their officers, are not being quiet about it. But government plans to upgrade infantry weapons and equipment have not amounted to much. The troops are not happy with this.

While India spends a lot of money on its fighter aircraft, naval vessels, and heavy ground equipment like tanks and APCs, very little is spent on taking care of the infantry. This isn't unique to the Indians, it just happens that the infantry historically doesn't get first grab at funds within the military and are usually at the bottom of the list when it comes to spending in general.

The government tries. It has already, with great fanfare, announced an effort to design and create its own version of the U.S. Army Land Warrior system. Countries around the world have been designing, trying out, and testing similar combat systems for over ten years now, including Britain, France, and Germany. The Indian effort is not going well. The Indians version is INSAS (Infantry-Soldier-As-A-System). One of the major things the Indians want to build as part of the program is a domestically produced multi-caliber individual weapon and a programmable airbursting grenade launcher for the infantry. This is basically the exact same thing that the U.S. Army's OICW (Objective Individual Combat Weapon) was supposed to be. The Indians are hoping their weapon will be more successful. But so far, progress, much less success, has been scarce.

Other plans include introducing new anti-tank weaponry, laser rangefinders, a new carbine/submachine gun, new combat uniforms for the infantry, better communications, and improved body armor. The new platform, the Indians are hoping, will reduce the load carried by the individual soldier by 50 percent. The helmet device the Indians are designing is equipped with video cameras, thermal sensors, and a visor set-up that contains two computer monitors. Plans to issue each infantryman with a "palmtop" computer are a high priority. But there's little to show for all these ambitious plans.

Despite the massive amounts of money the Indians are spending on their military, equipping all 28 infantry regiments with the new system (which hasn't been designed or manufactured yet) by 2020 is already being recognized by members of the Indian military as a major drain on resources, and not really possible. Even for a wealthy country like France or the US, completely re-equipping 28 regiments with entirely new weapons and gear is an expensive and lengthy proposition.

Most of the Indian sergeants and junior officers, trained in the practical and common sense tradition of the British Army, would be happier with more modest goals, like an improved assault rifle, better boots, and body armor that actually stops bullets, rather than with a computerized infantry system that shoots around corners and gives the troops instant message capabilities. In particular, better load bearing gear and better quality rations tend to be high on the list of wants for the foot soldier, especially in a country like India.

The sergeants and junior leaders are also smart enough to realize that the country is getting ahead of itself. The Indian Army, for example, only introduced their current standard assault rifle, the 5.56mm INSAS (Indian National Small Arms System) during the late 1990s and even this weapon has yet to be issued to every soldier in the Army, particularly in reserve units. About 300,000 are currently in circulation in the Army, including the carbine and light machine gun versions. Older equipment is still in use and, in a country like India, introducing and issuing any kind of new weapons or gear to every single soldier in the Army is an expensive, lengthy, and often difficult task.

Seven years ago, the government attempted a stopgap. They spent $65 million over the next four years to train and equip a commando ("Ghatak") platoon for each of its infantry battalions. The new platoons were intended to make the infantry more effective in dealing with irregulars in Kashmir and the northeast tribal areas. The Ghatak troops would be trained to perform commando type operations (raids, long range patrols), especially at night. Thus one of the things the Ghatak troops will get will be night vision equipment. There will also be more radios, probably including individual radios. There will also be additional weapons (sniper rifles, more compact assault rifles, day/night scopes) as well. The Ghatak training enabled the troops to specialize in the more dangerous aspects of dealing with irregulars, thus making duty against irregulars less unpopular with the troops.

In addition to the Ghatak units, $62 million was spent to equip engineers with better mine detection and clearing equipment, as well as equipment for detecting and disabling all manner of explosive devices irregular forces use in ambushes. The mines and booby traps are, as can be imagined, bad for troop morale, and this program is expected to be even more popular than the Ghatak platoons.

The 20 man Ghatak platoons gave each battalion some shock troops. The army also added modern equipment to units in crucial areas, like Kashmir, where soldiers fighting Islamic terrorists from Pakistan, got night vision gear and better radios to deal with the situation. But for the rest of the infantry, second best was all they could expect.
 
@ angeldemon

RR has personnel from the Army and every Regiment has dedicated RR battalions to which they send their troops...i didnt get it from anywhere coz i know it is like this coz i have seen it...you dont wanna trust me then dont trust but it is how it is.

Secondly, the reason why i am talking about helmets is coz i always look at few things when judging which regtt a soldier belongs to and these are:-
*epaulete
*beret
*colour of the rank insignia
and in this case helmet coz other things are not visible.

Garuds if had Tavors would have definiitely displayed it in that excercise...coz only the cream of Garuds would have got Tavors and i believe that the cream of the Garuds were participating in that excercise.

Lastly dude..i have grown up in Army cantonments and i believe in what i see...i dont rely on internet links for my knowledge and no one can make me believe on those links also when i am not seeing it....you can either believe me or not...its your choice and i am not forcing ou to believe also.

If at all i will believe anything is the pics...if you got any pics of Garuds with Tavor then provide it...afterall i provided the pics to prove my point.

And regarding that Indira 2010..there is also mentioned in the article that airborne troops of the IA took part.
 
Lastly dude..i have grown up in Army cantonments and i believe in what i see...
ok, fair enough....i also have a lot of relative in army but the situation is not exactly like yours. But i would really like you to summarize.

Garuds if had Tavors would have definiitely displayed it in that excercise...
Look buddy, if special forces operate alot of weapons, that does not mean they display all of them. I would say, lets wait for Aero India, you might see garuds with tavor this time.
 
I was just searching through the web when i found this....look whatever is the source but many things are correct.

Special Operations: Broken Promises Rattle Indian Operators


The source (and the other sources) are not the main issue, but that some times determines a "slant" that is assigned to information.
Some of the information may factual, while some of it is inference. But you can separate the wheat from the chaff based again on your facts and your inferences.
 
ok, fair enough....i also have a lot of relative in army but the situation is not exactly like yours. But i would really like you to summarize.


Look buddy, if special forces operate alot of weapons, that does not mean they display all of them. I would say, lets wait for Aero India, you might see garuds with tavor this time.

Fair enough..but if its your birthday and and you have thrown a party..i am sure you will wear your best clothes...i am talking about Garuds and the recent excercise.

Secondly,the army has 364 infantry battalions and i am talking about the ones i have seen....and my point was that i havent seen Ghataks with Tavor...maybe your relatives Unit has got Tavor for its Ghatak..in which case you should provide some pics if you can.

Thirdly,do ask your relative from where does RR units get its soldiers and officers and i am sure you wont find a different answer from what i have given coz many people i know have served the RR.
 
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i talked to my friend in the SF,yes SF was involved but in a supervisory role.
 

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