Indian role in Afghanistan overestimated in Pakistan: Olson

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Dont matter anymore .Really ?
Pakistan still needs US more than vice versa .

I would disagree. Yes, we need US support in many fields but as the geopolitical changes are happening and Pakistan becoming stable both economically and security wise,we are becoming less dependent on them. While we both can agree that US-Pakistan relationship will not end neither it will become a lot friendlier because of many reasons, we can clearly watch and predict that Pakistan and US are not very comfortable with each other and will have disagreements on vital issues.
America can not solve the Afghanistan Issue alone while neglecting Pakistan.etc.

To conclude, both have really important interests which will need both of them to cooperate.

 

[SrNair]

I would disagree. Yes, we need US support in many fields but as the geopolitical changes are happening and Pakistan becoming stable both economically and security wise,we are becoming less dependent on them. While we both can agree that US-Pakistan relationship will not end neither it will become a lot friendlier because of many reasons, we can clearly watch and predict that Pakistan and US are not very comfortable with each other and will have disagreements on vital issues.
America can not solve the Afghanistan Issue alone while neglecting Pakistan.etc.

To conclude, both have really important interests which will need both of them to cooperate.

Of Course they need some support but 'not a matter anymore' expression is bit extreme .

Couldnt help it with the hypocrisy but you are right. I will edit my post. Thanks for reminding.



I find it funny coming this from an Indian. I do. Look around you and take off the biased shades this time. Maybe you will realise Pakistan has moved past US blackmailing.

There is nothing funny in there .
US still can bend Pakistan at any way if they want .Involving in Balochistan,Bogging down your IMF,WB efforts .
You name it .That will happen .
They didnt do that because they dont want another unstable area in this part of world.

 

[IceCold]

There is nothing funny in there .
US still can bend Pakistan at any way if they want .Involving in Balochistan,Bogging down your IMF,WB efforts .
You name it .That will happen .
They didnt do that because they dont want another unstable area in this part of world.

I dont know when will you Indian come out of your delusions if you ever will that is. US is already involved in Balochistan, the exiled leaders periodically hold conferences in the US. The recent drone strike was also in Balochistan, the first of its kind. So if you believe the last line of your post, your are utterly naive or dishonest in your assessments. Pakistan is not backing down, we did not backed down on the NSG, we went out of the F-16 deal when US back tracked to partially finance the deal as was agreed, we gave Afghanistan befitting response and continue to fence our side of the gate.
Point being game is on and US has played its bets and so have we. We are not going against the Haqqanis despite repeated pressure from the US. Frankly US is out of cards. They seem more like in damage control mode but after getting a snub from Pakistan, they are back at the usual bickering.

 

[SrNair]

I dont know when will you Indian come out of your delusions if you ever will that is. US is already involved in Balochistan, the exiled leaders periodically hold conferences in the US. The recent drone strike was also in Balochistan, the first of its kind. So if you believe the last line of your post, your are utterly naive or dishonest in your assessments. Pakistan is not backing down, we did not backed down on the NSG, we went out of the F-16 deal when US back tracked to partially finance the deal as was agreed, we gave Afghanistan befitting response and continue to fence our side of the gate.
Point being game is on and US has played its bets and so have we. We are not going against the Haqqanis despite repeated pressure from the US. Frankly US is out of cards. They seem more like in damage control mode but after getting a snub from Pakistan, they are back at the usual bickering.

You are talking about a nation that gave a 'with us or against us ' warning to your former General Musharaff after 9/11.
Us didnt play any cards .If they play one card ,Pakistan will be in trouble .
They can do much more than that in Balochistan including a partition .

 

[IceCold]

You are talking about a nation that gave a 'with us or against us ' warning to your former General Musharaff after 9/11.
Us didnt play any cards .If they play one card ,Pakistan will be in trouble .
They can do much more than that in Balochistan including a partition .

Stuck in the past are we? Welcome to 2016.

 

[SrNair]

Stuck in the past are we? Welcome to 2016.

And still US is a superpower.

 

[IceCold]

And still US is a superpower.

She is that does not however mean that every country including Pakistan will ditch their own interests in favour of US just because its the superpower. Here:

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...s-hit-russian-firm.436290/page-2#post-8409279

like i said welcome to 2016.

 

[SrNair]

She is that does not however mean that every country including Pakistan will ditch their own interests in favour of US just because its the superpower. Here:

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...s-hit-russian-firm.436290/page-2#post-8409279

like i said welcome to 2016.

And where is that Iran pipeline ?
Pakistan already ditched their own interests for several times for US .

There is say in our region .You shouldnt stretch your legs before you sits in a chair .
Pakistan is exactly doing the same thing .
You still couldnt revamp the fundamentals in your own nation.Yet so eager about siding Russia,challenging US .

Yesterday World Bank sanctioned 1.2 billion $ loan to Pakistan .Now you know what would happen if US throws spanner in there .And surely they can do that .
This pipeline project is still in development stage .That will happen only if US allows that .

 

[IceCold]

And where is that Iran pipeline ?
Pakistan already ditched their own interests for several times for US .

There is say in our region .You shouldnt stretch your legs before you sits in a chair .
Pakistan is exactly doing the same thing .
You still couldnt revamp the fundamentals in your own nation.Yet so eager about siding Russia,challenging US .

Yesterday World Bank sanctioned 1.2 billion $ loan to Pakistan .Now you know what would happen if US throws spanner in there .And surely they can do that .
This pipeline project is still in development stage .That will happen only if US allows that .

Actually US throwing a spanner would be something doing us a favour which is why they dont. Iran Pakistan pipe line was a different scenario. It wasnt the US but the whole UNSC who had sanctioned Iran, going against would have resulted in going against the resolutions of the UNSC and not US. Big difference. Now that Iran is free so are we and rest assured Iran Pakistan pipeline will continue.
US is in no position to give permission and demand anything of from Pakistan. They have played their cards rather poorly. Endorsing India's bid for NSG while asking Pakistan to seek collective approval, backing out on F-16 funding, droning of Mullah Mansoor in Balochistan. US and Pakistan are on a very different path and the relation between the two is on a downward spiral.
There are only two years of NS government left that is if they survive. The next government specially if it is of PTI will put US to its place rest assured.

 

[SrNair]

Actually US throwing a spanner would be something doing us a favour which is why they dont. Iran Pakistan pipe line was a different scenario. It wasnt the US but the whole UNSC who had sanctioned Iran, going against would have resulted in going against the resolutions of the UNSC and not US. Big difference. Now that Iran is free so are we and rest assured Iran Pakistan pipeline will continue.
US is in no position to give permission and demand anything of from Pakistan. They have played their cards rather poorly. Endorsing India's bid for NSG while asking Pakistan to seek collective approval, backing out on F-16 funding, droning of Mullah Mansoor in Balochistan. US and Pakistan are on a very different path and the relation between the two is on a downward spiral.
There are only two years of NS government left that is if they survive. The next government specially if it is of PTI will put US to its place rest assured.

Good luck with that considering your loan records in both IMF and WB.
Fact is they can destroy Pakistan with a single diplomatic game .
Supporting Afghanistan in Durand Line ,Throwing weight for Baloch rebels etc you name it .
But even India wont agree with that because such moves will create another Syria with nukes like situation.

 

[IceCold]

Good luck with that considering your loan records in both IMF and WB.
Fact is they can destroy Pakistan with a single diplomatic game .
Supporting Afghanistan in Durand Line ,Throwing weight for Baloch rebels etc you name it .

You are repeating the same argument over and over again. You think they are not supporting Baloch terrorists now?
Here:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/338079/...esolution-calling-for-independence-of-baloch/

This is apart from the Fact that US hosts Baloch Separatists who regularly speaks out in US against Pakistan.

For the past decade you think no diplomatic game is being played against Pakistan? Pakistan is much more resilient than just a single diplomatic game for destroying us out all.

But even India wont agree with that because such moves will create another Syria with nukes like situation.

Thanks for the vote of confidence but excuse us for not taking it at its face value.

 

[SrNair]

You are repeating the same argument over and over again. You think they are not supporting Baloch terrorists now?
Here:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/338079/...esolution-calling-for-independence-of-baloch/

This is apart from the Fact that US hosts Baloch Separatists who regularly speaks out in US against Pakistan.

For the past decade you think no diplomatic game is being played against Pakistan? Pakistan is much more resilient than just a single diplomatic game for destroying us out all.



Thanks for the vote of confidence but excuse us for not taking it at its face value.

Did you actually that is their maximum capability ?

.I have a doubt about that .Actually are you worth enough to remain as a subject in a sole superpower diplomatic game ?
We also dont like some policies of US .
But Pakistan is actually a diplomatic opponent
of US .I dont think so .

 

[IceCold]

Did you actually that is their maximum capability ?

.I have a doubt about that .Actually are you worth enough to remain as a subject in a sole superpower diplomatic game ?
We also dont like some policies of US .
But Pakistan is actually a diplomatic opponent
of US .I dont think so .

I have supported my argument with proofs. You are entitled to your opinion so lets agree to disagree. But one thing is for sure Pakistan cannot be taken for granted even by the superpower. If things come down to that we have stood up against the Russians who were a power bloc of their time and we can stand up against the US.

 

[SrNair]

I have supported my argument with proofs. You are entitled to your opinion so lets agree to disagree. But one thing is for sure Pakistan cannot be taken for granted even by the superpower. If things come down to that we have stood up against the Russians who were a power bloc of their time and we can stand up against the US.

Lol
US formulated and supplied,Saudi funded and you worked as a base .

Really ??
You can stand against US .?
With what ?
Please explain.

 

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