Indian research scholar at Oxford: Pakistan Army not involved in Bangladesh

[FaujHistorian]

bro do you know what was the condition given by Pak Army for surrender ?

Answer: safe return of all Pak Army Soldiers to West Pakistan (modern Pakistan). We could not do anything

Pakistani army surrendered "unconditionally" as per our record and Indian army records.

this is why they remained in Indian prisons until the end of 1972.

Gen. Aurora the head of Indian command and the guy who defeated Pak army, I am sure you know.

I again ask you respectfully if he or his army discovered the following anywhere in BDesh?

1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


Please.

 

[BDforever]

Doesn't matter.

I want to know your opinion.

Should BDeshi police given into Islamist goons? Did Haseena gov did wrong or right by forcefully crushing them?

Should Pakistani army give into Talib@stard control over Swat and other areas? Or they should crush the TTP?


please






March 26th was the start.

However I said April just to round it off.

1. i gave my opinion , No.
2. war stared Late April after 1 month training.

Pakistani army surrendered "unconditionally" as per our record and Indian army records.

this is why they remained in Indian prisons until the end of 1972.

Gen. Aurora the head of Indian command and the guy who defeated Pak army, I am sure you know.

I again ask you respectfully if he or his army discovered the following anywhere in BDesh?

1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


Please.

Many documentaries have been made , watch those @FaujHistorian come to Bangladesh and talk to Local people instead of internet, you will get the picture

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian He's right about this bit. We had promised Niazi that him and his fellow soldiers would be given safe conduct to Pakistan after their surrender.

Please do not spread ignorance and fallacies.




The Unified Commander of Pakistan Armed Forces's Eastern Military High Command, Lieutenant General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi was forced to sign an unconditional Instrument of Surrender. The 90,000 Pakistani troops under Niazi's command surrendered to General Aurora as prisoners of war.[2] Pakistan lost almost 57,000 square miles (150,000 km2) of its territory and 70 million of its people to the newly formed nation of Bangladesh.


Jagjit Singh Aurora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many documentaries have been made , watch those

I have. So far none of these say that Gen. Aurora's troops uncovered any of the following:



1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


So please I am asking a very serious question.


thank you

 

[BDforever]

Please do not spread ignorance and fallacies.




The Unified Commander of Pakistan Armed Forces's Eastern Military High Command, Lieutenant General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi was forced to sign an unconditional Instrument of Surrender. The 90,000 Pakistani troops under Niazi's command surrendered to General Aurora as prisoners of war.[2] Pakistan lost almost 57,000 square miles (150,000 km2) of its territory and 70 million of its people to the newly formed nation of Bangladesh.


Jagjit Singh Aurora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I have. So far none of these say that Gen. Aurora's troops uncovered any of the following:



1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


So please I am asking a very serious question.


thank you

bro just tell me one thing, why your government are not saying something with proves that what we are saying are lies ?
@FaujHistorian graves were not shown off like this time and why is it needed Indian to find those ?

 

[toxic_pus]

1. Bengali Concentration camps?

Yes. You call them barracks.

Haripara was one notorious non-military concentration camp.

2. Gas Chambers

You used bullets. You neither had the resources nor the time to build gas chambers.

3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).

So 1000 dead bodies have to be in a single grave for it to be called 'mass grave'. You have one creative rectum.

What happens when dead bodies are dumped into rivers and tide carries them into sea?


Peace

 

[FaujHistorian]

bro just tell me one thing, why your government are not saying something with proves that what we are saying are lies ? )

I'll try to give you Pak army/gov picture too.

But right now I want you (and Indians) to give me some idea if Indian troops under the command of Gen. Aurora did uncover any of the following:



1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


So please I am asking a very serious question.


thank you

 

[Dillinger]

Please do not spread ignorance and fallacies.




The Unified Commander of Pakistan Armed Forces's Eastern Military High Command, Lieutenant General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi was forced to sign an unconditional Instrument of Surrender. The 90,000 Pakistani troops under Niazi's command surrendered to General Aurora as prisoners of war.[2] Pakistan lost almost 57,000 square miles (150,000 km2) of its territory and 70 million of its people to the newly formed nation of Bangladesh.


Jagjit Singh Aurora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I have. So far none of these say that Gen. Aurora's troops uncovered any of the following:



1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


So please I am asking a very serious question.


thank you

Sir ji. The surrender was unconditional indeed, it was going to happen one way or the other. BUT Indira ji had express orders out for the safety of the Pakistani command..which prompted us to make that promise and see it through..admittedly not out of the kindness of our heart..Indira Ji was not one to suffer people who ruined her perfect moment of victory.

I am not suggesting that this is proof of genocide in itself. I am just saying that as a fact we did promise safe conduct...not as a condition for the surrender but as an accord that we would see through..after they surrendered.

Yes. You call them barracks.

Haripara was one notorious non-military concentration camp.


You used bullets. You neither had the resources nor the time to build gas chambers.


So 1000 dead bodies have to be in a single grave for it to be called 'mass grave'. You have one creative rectum.

What happens when dead bodies are dumped into rivers and tide carries them into sea?


Peace

We should have caught all the fish who were swimming about in the BOB back then checked the contents of their stomachs. That might have provided the proof required.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sir ji. The surrender was unconditional indeed,
..

Thanks. See I have provided you with evidence. that Pakistani army surrendered "unconditionally"

I have done my study. So please do not say things which will reflect badly on your personal knowledge. Thank you

BUT Indira ji had express orders out for the safety of the Pakistani command..

Who ordered Indira Gadhi, and please provide some link.


Thank you

 

[BDforever]

I'll try to give you Pak army/gov picture too.

But right now I want you (and Indians) to give me some idea if Indian troops under the command of Gen. Aurora did uncover any of the following:



1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


So please I am asking a very serious question.


thank you

bro you are not getting the picture, they are killed and buried , not killed in room, they were killed in open place

BANGLADESH GENOCIDE 1971 - DHAKA University MASSACRE - YouTube
watch the video how they were killed ( it is an example)
video title: BANGLADESH GENOCIDE 1971 - DHAKA University MASSACRE

 

[Dillinger]

Thanks. See I have provided you with evidence. that Pakistani army surrendered "unconditionally"

I have done my study. So please do not say things which will reflect badly on your personal knowledge. Thank you



Who ordered Indira Gadhi, and please provide some link.


Thank you

Indira Gandhi gave those orders..no one ordered her. She put out those orders to our high command. She gave them because she wanted the Pakistani commanding officers alive and in her hands.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Yes. You call them barracks.

Haripara was one notorious non-military concentration camp.

Peace

OK. Barracks.

How many of these barracks were discovered or uncovered by Gen. Aurora's Indian troops. And how many people did they find in each?

Yes. .....
You used bullets. You neither had the resources nor the time to build gas chambers.

That's even better for the evidence. Bullet casings in the barracks, and dead bodies close by, would have made it much easier for the Indian troops to record the atrocities.

So tell me or point me where is the Indian army records for this.

I can find similar records from WW2 where Jews suffered the holocaust (May Hitler burn in hell forever).

Surely the recording was much easier in 1971 compared to WW2. Point me to similar records by Indian army and I'll send bad sentneces towards Gen. Niazi and others.

Ye...
So 1000 dead bodies have to be in a single grave for it to be called 'mass grave'. You have one creative rectum.

What happens when dead bodies are dumped into rivers and tide carries them into sea?


Peace

Ye...
So 1000 dead bodies have to be in a single grave for it to be called 'mass grave'. You have one creative rectum.


Peace

Because we have to account for a very very large total of 3 million deaths here. This is why we have to look for very large grave sites. Simple mathematics thing.

Y.

What happens when dead bodies are dumped into rivers and tide carries them into sea?


Peace

Yes. this can happen. But we have examples from Rawanda. Where a million bodies were thrown in rivers and still they were able to document the atrocities.



These are very very serious questions. because the accusations are so grave.


You bring these numbers from Indian army, and I promise with you that I'll go spit on Niazi and Tikkah Khan's graves.


thank you

 

[FaujHistorian]

bro you are not getting the picture, they are killed and buried , not killed in room, they were killed in open place

Forensics my bro, can be used to find murders decades later.

But in this case, The whole of E. Pakistan came under control of Indian army at once. So there was no way Pak army could have taken away or burried or throw dead bodies without being noticed by Indian troops.

So please be serious.

b.
BANGLADESH GENOCIDE 1971 - DHAKA University MASSACRE - YouTube[url]
watch the video how they were killed ( it is an example)
video title: BANGLADESH GENOCIDE 1971 - DHAKA University MASSACRE

This video is horrendous. May Allah bless the souls of the dead. This thing happened in March 26th.

However this video doesn't show if Indian troops under the command of Gen. Aurora did uncover any of the following:



1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


So please I am asking a very serious question.

 

[BDforever]

@FaujHistorian bro do you deny that no discrimination was there between East and West Pakistan ? want to hear it from you.

that video showed how Bangladeshi were killed

again ... why are you bringing same issue about Indian troops founding when that video showed how Bangladeshi were killed
@FaujHistorian Indian army entered in East Pakistan after Dec. 3. period !

 

[FaujHistorian]

I...

she [Indira] wanted the Pakistani commanding officers alive and in her hands.

Did she want these Pakistani officers in "her hands" to punish them for the attrocities committed.

or she wanted them in "her hand" to give them a BJ? hahahah.

If the they were "in her" hands, and Gen Niazi was brought to trial, I salute her.

However if she didn't punish her, then she did a dirty deed.


Hope you understand now.

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian bro do you deny that no discrimination was there between East and West Pakistan ? want to hear it from you.
....

Separate discussion. Please open a different thread. This one is to find the exact if possible facts about Pakistani army.

OP is by an Indian scholar.

So let's here if you can disprove her. by providing specific places and numbers.

[MENTION=38719]F..
again ... why are you bringing same issue about Indian troops founding when that video showed how Bangladeshi were killed
@FaujHistorian Indian army entered in East Pakistan after Dec. 3. period !

The video show 20+ people were executed.

It doesn't say why they were executed. it doesn't give their names. May be they were EPR rebels and they got court martialed. Who knows.


I know precisely what happened in Dhaka university on March 26 th from multiple sources.

So please understand, I am looking for the following:

if Indian troops under the command of Gen. Aurora did uncover any of the following:



1. Bengali Concentration camps?
2. Gas Chambers
3. Mass graves of at least 1000 Bengalis (and not Biharis).


So please I am asking a very serious question