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This just out... What do you guys think?

End of the line for India’s national railways? - BBC News

End of the line for India’s national railways?


The state-run railways operate more than 12,000 trains, carrying some 23 million passengers daily

India is a trainspotter's paradise.

The rail network has more than 9,000 locomotives - 43 of which are still steam-powered. This vast fleet pulls almost half a million wagons and more than 60,000 passenger coaches over 115,000 or so kilometres (70,000 miles) of track.

The railways operate more than 12,000 trains, carrying some 23 million passengers daily.

This vast public enterprise is virtually a state within a state. It runs schools, hospitals, police forces and building companies and employs a total of 1.3 million people, making it the seventh biggest employer in the world.

But it could soon be broken up.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been chided for a lack of radical reform since he took power last year. Yet potentially hugely controversial proposals to restructure the country's railways slipped through last week with barely a ripple.

They came from a committee exploring options for reform of Indian Railways, the state-owned enterprise that runs the country's train network, and borrow heavily from the British experience of railway privatisation.

The committee's interim report is unambiguous: Indian Railways needs a bracing injection of competition.

It says the network should be opened up so private companies can run passenger and freight services in competition with the state.

It argues the track should be separated from the train operation business, just it was in Britain. And, just as in Britain, it proposes the whole thing be overseen by an independent regulator whose job is to ensure the new private operators get fair access to the track.

The committee wants to shake up the rolling stock business too. Private companies already make wagons for the network - they should be allowed to supply passenger coaches and locomotives as well, the report argues.

The authors fear that Indian Railways' manufacturing operations would wither in the face of competition so it suggests they be placed in a new independent company.


Could private companies make life easier for India's train passengers?

This would remain publicly owned but would be arms-length from the state and would be free to set salaries and borrow money as it saw fit.

In the meantime, management structures and accounting systems across the network need to be completely overhauled. It is impossible to work out whether a project makes money or not, complains committee chief and economist Bibek Debroy.

The report also urges that Indian Railways should stop running its myriad hospitals, schools, police forces and other non-core activities.

India's biggest railway union has attacked the report, claiming it is an attempt to privatise the railways.

That's something Mr Modi has explicitly ruled out.

"We are not privatising railways," he assured trade unions last year. "You do not have to worry, it is neither our wish or nor thinking."

Yet Mr Modi could adopt all the committee's recommendations without breaking his promise to the unions. The report's authors are careful to avoid the "P" word.

"There is a difference between privatisation and competition," explains Gurcharan Das, one of the committee members and a former chief executive of Proctor and Gamble India.

"We don't want to sell off the railways, what we want to do is introduce competition. That will bring more choice, lower prices and higher standards," he argues.

But you can't blame the unions for being anxious about privatisation. There may be no intention to sell them now, but all these new stand-alone businesses would be ripe for a future sell-off.

Trainspotters shouldn't be too concerned, though. New train operating companies mean lots of lovely new liveries to note down in their little books.
 
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Yes, that's great policy. In China, everyone has an ID card, all personal information is stored in the chip and also the national database. So I think if you guys all have an electric ID card, the current booking system can be easily upgraded.
btw, as you said, it's about accidents. My question is, how to find out information of those who take the non-reserved class? Like the train tragedy in Uttar Pradesh last month. (I am seriously concerned about train accident around the world.)

Unfortunately people traveling in unreserved coaches suffer the most, as they generally belong to lower strata of economic freedom, also in past this strata was majorly uneducated, so getting form filled up was not expected.
But the whole concept is now changing fast and next decade we might see things similar to AAP once we have a base of national id completed and synced with various systems.
 
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This just out... What do you guys think?

End of the line for India’s national railways? - BBC News

End of the line for India’s national railways?


The state-run railways operate more than 12,000 trains, carrying some 23 million passengers daily

India is a trainspotter's paradise.

The rail network has more than 9,000 locomotives - 43 of which are still steam-powered. This vast fleet pulls almost half a million wagons and more than 60,000 passenger coaches over 115,000 or so kilometres (70,000 miles) of track.

The railways operate more than 12,000 trains, carrying some 23 million passengers daily.

This vast public enterprise is virtually a state within a state. It runs schools, hospitals, police forces and building companies and employs a total of 1.3 million people, making it the seventh biggest employer in the world.

But it could soon be broken up.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been chided for a lack of radical reform since he took power last year. Yet potentially hugely controversial proposals to restructure the country's railways slipped through last week with barely a ripple.

They came from a committee exploring options for reform of Indian Railways, the state-owned enterprise that runs the country's train network, and borrow heavily from the British experience of railway privatisation.

The committee's interim report is unambiguous: Indian Railways needs a bracing injection of competition.

It says the network should be opened up so private companies can run passenger and freight services in competition with the state.

It argues the track should be separated from the train operation business, just it was in Britain. And, just as in Britain, it proposes the whole thing be overseen by an independent regulator whose job is to ensure the new private operators get fair access to the track.

The committee wants to shake up the rolling stock business too. Private companies already make wagons for the network - they should be allowed to supply passenger coaches and locomotives as well, the report argues.

The authors fear that Indian Railways' manufacturing operations would wither in the face of competition so it suggests they be placed in a new independent company.


Could private companies make life easier for India's train passengers?

This would remain publicly owned but would be arms-length from the state and would be free to set salaries and borrow money as it saw fit.

In the meantime, management structures and accounting systems across the network need to be completely overhauled. It is impossible to work out whether a project makes money or not, complains committee chief and economist Bibek Debroy.

The report also urges that Indian Railways should stop running its myriad hospitals, schools, police forces and other non-core activities.

India's biggest railway union has attacked the report, claiming it is an attempt to privatise the railways.

That's something Mr Modi has explicitly ruled out.

"We are not privatising railways," he assured trade unions last year. "You do not have to worry, it is neither our wish or nor thinking."

Yet Mr Modi could adopt all the committee's recommendations without breaking his promise to the unions. The report's authors are careful to avoid the "P" word.

"There is a difference between privatisation and competition," explains Gurcharan Das, one of the committee members and a former chief executive of Proctor and Gamble India.

"We don't want to sell off the railways, what we want to do is introduce competition. That will bring more choice, lower prices and higher standards," he argues.

But you can't blame the unions for being anxious about privatisation. There may be no intention to sell them now, but all these new stand-alone businesses would be ripe for a future sell-off.

Trainspotters shouldn't be too concerned, though. New train operating companies mean lots of lovely new liveries to note down in their little books.
Quoted from Wikipedia
The rail network traverses the length and breadth of the country, covering in 2011 a total length of 64,460 kilometres (40,050 mi).[1]:3 It is the 4th largest railway network in the world,[3] transporting 7.651 billion passengers and over 921 million tonnes of freight annually, as of 2011.
The difference of railway in China and India, is that Indian railway is largely for suburban railway and short-distance railway. In China, it is largely for middle-distance and long-distance journeys. The short-distance and suburban railway passengers volume of India in China is replaced by a very sophisticated public bus systems(50-500km) and metro systems and rapid suburban bus(<50km).

Thus, Indian railway is extremely important for the general public, cause they don't have a very good road system to support fast and efficient road trips as in China(over 111000km control-access expreesway and developed city roads). Given Indian road's very low passengers volume and limited high-quality road, railway is irreplaceable and quite often the only option for the public. So apart from upgrading railway, they need to put more efforts in infrastructure like high-quality expressway, rapid highway systems in major city clusters and of course high-quality roads within a city.
Pls move to a new thread by @Shotgunner51 https://defence.pk/threads/“dear-president-how-can-we-help-your-country-”-aiib.369354/#post-7016894
I think AIIB can help a lot in developing countries in Asia.
 
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@Indian Patriot
I have already settled down in Shanghai and before going out for snack food on the night market(now 10pm in China), I give u an excellent example of a TRANSPORTATION HUB.

Hongqiao Railway Station
Shanghai Hongqiao Railway Station, located in Minhang District of Shanghai, is a major part of the Hongqiao Comprehensive Transportation Hub (“the Hongqiao hub”). The station achieves a zero-distance transfer with the Terminal 2 of Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport, as well as Line 2 and Line 10 of Shanghai Metro.
Overview
The construction of the railway station began on July 20, 2008 with a total investment of more than CNY 15 billion ($2.3 billion). It was opened on July 1, 2010, simultaneously with the opening of the Shanghai–Nanjing High-Speed Railway line. The railway station takes a total area of about 1.3 million square meters and has 16 platforms, most of which are high-speed-rail configuration.[2] The main building of the train station measures 420 meters in length, 200 meters in width, and 70 meters high (counting both underground and overground floors). 80,000 tons of steel was used to construct the train station, twice the amount of steel used to build the Beijing National Stadium (Bird nest). The train station waiting hall area is more than 10,000 square meters (107,639 square ft), and is capable of handling 10,000 passengers at the same time. (very important for China, a spacious waiting room).

In summary, it has
1, an HSR station( 400-500 trains per day)
2, an international airport,
3, a long-disatcne bus-port
4. two metro lines (line2&10)
5. city bus
6. taxi stand
7. a logistics park and commercial centre

platform

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automatic check-out (reduce cost on human sources and efficient)
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Arriving floor, metro, food&supermarket, etc
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Linked to Terminal 2 directly and one metro interval to terminal1
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zero exchange to metro
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This is what we need, both in China and India.
Late this year, an intercity HSR will link downtown Wuhan(my hometown) to Wuhan's airport. Not so perfect as Shanghai, but everyone who has ever been to Shanghai Hongqiao Station will love this idea.

The Hongqiao Hub will be served by 5 metro lines when all is done and over in a few years。

Danke schön!
Corrected, typing too fast and I'm having food in a night market, kebab and baked scallops:lol:

Gaining weight?:D
 
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The Hongqiao Hub will be served by 5 metro lines when all is done and over in a few years。



Gaining weight?:D
5?O my , I envy Shanghainese @Shotgunner51
Airport in my city will be only connected to one subway and one intercity HSR, hardly to be reckoned as a transportation hub.:cry:

Gaining weight?
Do Ili Pikas need to?;)
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5?O my , I envy Shanghainese @Shotgunner51
Airport in my city will be only connected to one subway and one intercity HSR, hardly to be reckoned as a transportation hub.:cry:

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Yeah ain't it cool bro! The Shanghai Hongqiao Transportation Hub (上海虹桥交通枢纽) has these:

- Hongqiao Airport Terminal 2
- Hongqiao Railway Station (HSR, Freight)
- GTC (Ground Transport Center)
-> Hongqiao Metro Station, accessible to 5 metro lines
-> Hongqiao Inter-city Bus Station, accessible to >40 bus lines to neighboring cities/counties
-> Hongqiao Bus Station, accessible to >70 bus routes within Shanghai​
- Connected to Shanghai Expressway G9, G50

It has a lot of commercial facilities like underground malls, hotels, offices, car-parks as well, nice place!
 
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Yeah ain't it cool bro! The Shanghai Hongqiao Transportation Hub (上海虹桥交通枢纽) has these:

- Hongqiao Airport Terminal 2
- Hongqiao Railway Station (HSR, Freight)
- GTC (Ground Transport Center)
-> Hongqiao Metro Station, accessible to 5 metro lines
-> Hongqiao Inter-city Bus Station, accessible to >40 bus lines to neighboring cities/counties
-> Hongqiao Bus Station, accessible to >70 bus routes within Shanghai​
- Connected to Shanghai Expressway G9, G50

It has a lot of commercial facilities like underground malls, hotels, offices, car-parks as well, nice place!
Stunning!
 
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Yeah ain't it cool bro! The Shanghai Hongqiao Transportation Hub (上海虹桥交通枢纽) has these:

- Hongqiao Airport Terminal 2
- Hongqiao Railway Station (HSR, Freight)
- GTC (Ground Transport Center)
-> Hongqiao Metro Station, accessible to 5 metro lines
-> Hongqiao Inter-city Bus Station, accessible to >40 bus lines to neighboring cities/counties
-> Hongqiao Bus Station, accessible to >70 bus routes within Shanghai​
- Connected to Shanghai Expressway G9, G50

It has a lot of commercial facilities like underground malls, hotels, offices, car-parks as well, nice place!


I believe this is the world's first integrated transportation hub designed and built from scratch. Under the same roof, it has an international airport, a high-speed rail station, a bus depot, a taxi depot, and a subway station with five lines.
 
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HSR is not for suburban commuters... God, could you at least have a glance at this report
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@Yizhi has replied so many "points" you have mentioned and again u reply like "other points.
Indian commuter market?
What's the difference? Delhi, metro, bus, car, motorbikes(in electric bikes), etc. Same here, Shanghai, Wuhan, Shenzhen...

He's engaged in sophistry, which passes for rational debate in India.

Just ignore him.
 
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China may have diverse conditions, I am not denying that, but the wear and tear due to heat and difference in temperature in the same season is vast among the cities, due to peninsular effect, in India is higher than china. In the month of May- July the average is 39 - 38 degree celcius and peak is 49-50 degrees Celsius (Mid and South India) , which causes bent in the tracks and it is tough to maintain, and as you go north towards hills, the temperature gets colder. Then comes the monsoon and temperature falls quick.

'Peninsular Effect' is a phenomenon in evolutionary biology, not climatology or meteorology.

You are so full of shit that you are an intellectual equal of Rahul Gandhi.

By the way, average temperature difference between mid and south India from May to July is less than 3.7 degrees Celsius.
 
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Who is he?:o:

He's the grandson of the greatest idiot of the 20th Century, the founding father of India, Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru.

Rahul is trying to continue the family tradition and become the greatest idiot of the 21st Century. Unfortunately, I think Screambowl is going to take that honor due to the Nehru Flatulence Effect.
 
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He's the grandson of the greatest idiot of the 20th Century, the founding father of India, Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru.

Rahul is trying to continue the family tradition and become the greatest idiot of the 21st Century. Unfortunately, I think Screambowl is going to take that honor due to the Nehru Flatulence Effect.
I only know Sonia and Mayawati, one NHK documentary is about Maya.
Sonia is simply too famous here from a Chinese website translates comments of netizens abroad, quite often Sonia is mentioned in comments from India, even the news has nothing to do with Sonia.
 
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I only know Sonia and Mayawati, one NHK documentary is about Maya.
Sonia is simply too famous here from a Chinese website translates comments of netizens abroad, quite often Sonia is mentioned in comments from India, even the news has nothing to do with Sonia.

They are all full of shit.

India overflows with people who are ignorant, unlearned, uneducated, and parochial. They pretend to be experts and speak at length about subjects they know nothing about. Sophistry and glibness are national characteristics.

For example, a former Indian information minister said this about cloud computing, "cloud computing is great... but what if it rains?"


India is full of people like Screambowl, and that's why India is so far behind China.
 
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They are all full of shit.

India overflows with people who are ignorant, unlearned, uneducated, and parochial. They pretend to be experts and speak at length about subjects they know nothing about. Sophistry and glibness are national characteristics.

For example, a former Indian information minister said this about cloud computing, "cloud computing is great... but what if it rains?"


India is full of people like Screambowl, and that's why India is so far behind China.
I think politicians in India have to be sophisticated speechmakers first, economic literacy is not so important.
Was what he said Hindi? Why were so many English words in their own language?
 
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