Indian Navy Threat to Gwadar 2017

[SQ8]

Another self fellatio video?

The IN is easily one of the most potent navies that could give the USN a run for its money if such a situation did occur.

And it should be, India's ample coast and EEZ demand nothing less, vs a barely 700km coastline of Pakistan and the general ease with which the PN can monitor it in peacetime; the IN (and coast guard more so)has a huge responsibility on its shoulders as the Mumbai attacks showed.

In addition, India needs its Coast as it has a hostile neighborhood all around to ensure one "secure" "border". It would be nothing short of idiotic if the IN was not given the greatest priority.

It is next to impossible for India to effectively protect all along its coast due to overwhelming numbers required and even laws of physics such as coastal clutter for surveillance systems.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The IN is easily one of the most potent navies that could give the USN a run for its money if such a situation did occur.

Hope this is a Sarcasm comment ..
Even Russian+China+Indian Navy combine can't Win against USN if they utilize all their resources , ships and Air Power ..

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

IN is far from PN reach now, and every Vessel we induct in PN , there will be 3 from IN side, the best bet for PN would be a defensive approach make sure that IN does not get to block our ports and Naval Bases ..
Pakistan Armed forces has screwed a lot , we should have a small but more advance Navy by now, we lack modern Frigates and Destroyers .. we lack a Naval Air Arm with Flankers , we will have a good Submarine fleet but that wont be enough .

Indian coastlines and ports are even more than that ratio.
we just have to defend few ports but still we got enough powerful navy to defend and attack at the same time.
from history I can say that in case of navy planning of missions matters most.
it goes for every military department but in navy deception is the power.

 

[el nino]

India will have the third best navy on the planet by 2030 alongside the third largest gdp.with trade also at the same level.

The rise of naval might goes hand in hand with rise of economic might

 

[kabooter_maila]

India will have the third best navy on the planet by 2030 alongside the third largest gdp.with trade also at the same level.

The rise of naval might goes hand in hand with rise of economic might

India will have THE BEST navy on the planet by 2130 alongside the largest gdp with trade also at the same level.

And yet Indian subs are forced to come to surface by Pak Navy in 2016 in the middle of the sea. Indians love living in their own delusional world.

 

[el nino]

India will have THE BEST navy on the planet by 2130 alongside the largest gdp with trade also at the same level.

And yet Indian subs are forced to come to surface by Pak Navy in 2016 in the middle of the sea. Indians love living in their own delusional world.

You thinks its delusional

Hopefully you will see the reality after this vedio

 

[Hamza913]

IN is far from PN reach now, and every Vessel we induct in PN , there will be 3 from IN side, the best bet for PN would be a defensive approach make sure that IN does not get to block our ports and Naval Bases ..
Pakistan Armed forces has screwed a lot , we should have a small but more advance Navy by now, we lack modern Frigates and Destroyers .. we lack a Naval Air Arm with Flankers , we will have a good Submarine fleet but that wont be enough .

Our submarines can practice anti area access denial, they're enough to prevent a blockade and that's what counts.

Also, it's not like the IN is going to send every ship in its fleet during a war.

Gwadar will always remain under Indian Navy's shadow, so will be the entire CPEC project under our military's reach, sooner or later Pakistan has to learn to cooperate with its bigger neighbour, or else China will make sure that Pakistan does. That's the only way.

You done fantasising yet?

India will have the third best navy on the planet by 2030 alongside the third largest gdp.with trade also at the same level.

The rise of naval might goes hand in hand with rise of economic might

 

[kabooter_maila]

You thinks its delusional

Hopefully you will see the reality after this vedio

A goon keeps threatening every one. You take on him and remove his under-garments before kicking his *** in the middle of a busy crossing. The goon keeps claiming and boasting of a laser gun that he'll get next decade. The gun, he insists, is so powerful that it can break stars into pieces. What do you think? Is that idiot living in reality or delusions? Will you believe his boasting at the face value or you'll spit in his buttcracks and pass on? Forcing an IN sub in the seas is just like removing your chaddi and kicking your ***. Regardless your claims, I would like to do spitty thing now.

 

[Hamza913]

The current gap between IN and PN and the massive increase in IN strength in terms of submarines, frigates, destroyers, ASW etc makes the PN seem like a matter of no concern.

Have you heard about our Naval Aviation?
It can give your entire Air Force based out of Sindh and Baluchistan a run for its money.

Your MiG-29K's have a 16%-39% serviceability rate. This means out of a fleet of 10 fighters, only one to 3 jets will be normally available for operations. The rest of the fleet would be gone for repairs. Since the induction of the 12 aircraft in 2010, as many as 40 engines fitted on them had to be withdrawn because of design related defects or deficiencies. Also, the reliability of their electronic flight control system proved to be as low as 3.5%-7.5% between July 2012 and June 2014. Besides engines problems and low serviceability, the airframe or fuselage of the MiG-29K's had several defects which were confirmed during their subsequent trial on INS Vikramaditya a year later. These were flagged to the Russian Aircraft Corporation. But though the issues were attended to, the airframe issues kept recurring. The defects occurred despite numerous design improvements and modifications. The regular occurrence of these defects on a sortie to sortie to basis was having an adverse impact on Indian Navy pilots training and capability of aircraft for undertaking prolonged deployments.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/audi...naval-acquisition-45-mig-29k-fighters-1436614

Believe me, Pakistan will be fine. Especially considering we'll be on the defensive, and have better trained pilots. Things will only get worse once block 3 of the JF-17 rolls around with it's AESA radar.

 

[Areesh]

India will have the third best navy on the planet by 2030 alongside the third largest gdp.with trade also at the same level.

The rise of naval might goes hand in hand with rise of economic might

Hum nai haar maan li. Aao kar do attack Gwadar par.

 

[Hamza913]

It's June 2017.

The engine issues got solved over 3 years ago. Other issues are operational and IN would actively work and has probably solved those as well. You won't find any recent such news.
Given availability that changes on a day to day basis your figures are really not relevant.
In war time the war time reserves are used giving the fleet near 100% availability.
45 Mig 29K. More than a match for whatever PAF spares for the following 3

1. Defence of PN fleet
2. Defence of Karachi
3. Defence of Gwadar

Once you get a Chinese AESA on your JF-17 blk2/3 how many will deploy to Sindh ?

By then 57 Rafale M or F-18 Super Hornets will also be inducted into IN.

Even then Jf-17 vs Mig29K ? Not making this a vs thread but that comparison will only end in 1 way.

You don't want to know what a Rafale M can do to Jf-17 or F-16 or Mirage 5 ?

Can't stop laughing as I type this.

Rafale M vs Mirage 5.

Engine issue may have been solved, but other defects are still an issue, as of 2016 anyway and I doubt things have drastically improved since then.

Yes I'm definitely sure the IAF will magically fix all it's problems and be able to crush the PAF



You haven't gotten those 36 Rafales delivered and you're talking about getting 54 of them? and F-18's to boot?



A tool is only as good as the operator, and your operators boast the worlds highest crash rate. Your pilots suck, I'm sorry. Also, it won't just be JF-17 vs MiG-29K, it will be JF-17 + Mirages vs MiG-29K's, we will have a numerical advantage and will be on the defensive, the odds will be in our favour. Rafale's aren't even part of the equation, the Hindustani navy won't be using them as far as I know.

Also, it would be F-16 vs Rafale, which we can most definitely succeed at given our superior pilot skill and the fact that we will be (can you guess what I'll say next?) on the defensive. Especially considering our vintage 1970's F-16's managed to smash some Eurofighters in a training exercise.

Even if it was Mirage vs Rafale, it's still feasible considering our Mirages have been upgraded and are equipped with some nasty weapons. We also have 112 of them, where as Hindustan will only have 36 Rafales.

I can't stop laughing either at your stupidity.

 

[CHI RULES]

There is no doubt IN is a bigger navy than PN but it is a fact that it has to cover more area than PN. After Gawadar port is fully operational then due to collaboration of many countries including Russia in project shall guarantee the safety of port. Similarly PLAN's role shall also be vital.

On the other hand with induction of subs after 5 years, the new corvettes and especially FACs in numbers armed with long range CMs like Babur with 450+KM range shall be enough at least to keep IN away from Pak naval territory. Further in order to stop 1971 like naval attack PN has already inducted coastal defense batteries armed previously with C602 and now ingenious ASHM with better range. On area which still requires improvement is SAM coverage for naval assets which Inshallah we shall get soon with induction of HQ16 and most probably HQ9 variant.

PN cannot and shall not go to compete against IN on one on one basis but like Iranian Navy we should arm PN with assets to strike enemy heavily. PN should induct economical catramen based small but economical missile boats/FACs in large numbers along with few bigger frigates/Corvettes having medium to high altitude SAMs.

As PAF has limited resources so it shall be sufficient o upgrade existing one squadron of block 2 JF17s with Chinese AESA and Irst along with induction of JF17 block 3 squadron. Meanwhile few of PAF squadrons should also be there for support.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Complete air superiority over East Pakistan.
West Pakistan the PAF has fled into Afghanistan and Middle East.

When this happen please explain with neutral links

 

[Basel]

The current gap between IN and PN and the massive increase in IN strength in terms of submarines, frigates, destroyers, ASW etc makes the PN seem like a matter of no concern.

Have you heard about our Naval Aviation?
It can give your entire Air Force based out of Sindh and Baluchistan a run for its money.

Your naval aviation can not come close to EEZ in war because if they do, IN knows what will be coming to them, Pakistani air defense is not as weak as Indian thinks.

IN will suffer huge losses if they put huge force to take out PN also tactics also matters, PN is not going for sea control instead they will go for area Denial which is mostly done by Submarines and other supporting assets combined. Also PN also have better TNW delivery capabilities then PA because many of their weapons can carry TNWs. West have used TNW threat against foe Navies effectively and PN can take note from their doctrine.

 

[Canuck786]

I really wanna know which stuff are you using/smoking? Must be good sh*t? Okay then! Your's is bigger than mine. Happy now?

Not the IAF only the Indian Navy Aviation which operated independently 45 Mig29K and 14 Sea Harriers.

As the INS Vikramaditya is doing operations beyond our waters that means all Mig29K problems are solved because when we had problems with the Mig29K the Vikramaditya kept close to Indian shores so in case of emergency the Mig29K could land on share based airfields.

When inducting a new platform there are always challenges which have to be overcome. Look at the F-35. It's doing better than 5 years ago.

A tool is only as good as its operator. Absolutely true.

Your assumption that IAF pilots are inferior to PAF pilots is your hangover from 1965.
When Mysteres and Vampires both bombers against F-86 and F-104 both fighters.

Who wins in air to air combat between bombers and fighters?

Forward to 1971 the IAF gets fighters the Mig 21.

Now both forces have fighters.
IAF knocks the senses out of PAF.

Complete air superiority over East Pakistan.
West Pakistan the PAF has fled into Afghanistan and Middle East.

Why? Do we now say IAF pilots are far superior to PAF pilots?

You won't have any numerical advantage as your PAF is totally deployed against IAF and when IN naval aviation strikes total disarray.

112 old Mirages all will fly out to sea ?

Even if you did that today with no war ongoing less than 100 would return.

IN aid procuring 57 more Naval multirole fighters and they are 2 contenders.

Rafale M and F-18 SH.

Both being procured by their respective home countries currently unlike some aircraft.

F-16 vs Rafale.

AMRAAM vs Meteor + Spectra.

Rafale already has AESA.

No comparison.

IN will strike where it wants when it wants.

600km + range supersonic cruise missiles against aging PN frigates.

SSN vs age old ASW.

It's game over.

Sea lanes blocked.

No oil from your west.

No water from your north east.



In the event nukes are held back indefinitely then the PN surface fleet is sunk, sub fleet is unaccounted for as the wrecks cannot be confirmed by either side during all the confusion of combat.

Said costal defence batteries would have been overwhelmed by Baloch fighters. After all when will the 6 consultes come of any use.

Looking at a ground landing force at Gwadar to link up with BLA and ANA.