Indian Navy still have eyes on F-35

[danger007]

Of course they can. By the time the F-35 makes it's way on to a IN carrier (if it happens), other options will be available for surrounding nations. Russia and China are both working on 5th gen, and European nations are working on ways to counter 5th gen tech.

well we are involved in Russian 5th gen development. .. and IN is no threat to EU... so you can exclude them .... I think IN should acquire E-MALS tech for the next CBG in IAC-2 ... 60-70 k ton with 5th gen fighter will add more lethality to IN...

 

[Shabi1]

In 10yrs maybe LCA Mk-? Naval variant could be inducted.

 

[Archie]

In 10yrs maybe LCA Mk-? Naval variant could be inducted.

LCA N is under development, but it is a STOBAR aircraft
and Navy has order 46 of them for INS Vikrant II, which was launched last yr and is expected to be inducted by 2018

The requirement is for INS Vishal, which will be inducted in 2025 and will be a CATOBAR Carrier

 

[Badbadman]

The way the things are going, it won't be a surprise if these rumors turns out to be true. Where else can happen, IAF flying with FGFA and IN navy with F35.
Can happen but all comes down to $$$$

 

[NKVD]

f-35 i like this Beast Controversy or No controversy This fighter is future of air-warfare .Prices will Pecked Down Once full Production Process Start.It will BTW 140-150 million $ which Quite Reasonable Because the of the Technology its Offers

 

[Echo_419]

It will be interesting if the IN does go for the F-34. I wonder how PAF, and PN will respond, along with other local navies, including the Chinese.

Have you seen PN's or PAF's budget

LCA N is under development, but it is a STOBAR aircraft
and Navy has order 46 of them for INS Vikrant II, which was launched last yr and is expected to be inducted by 2018

The requirement is for INS Vishal, which will be inducted in 2025 and will be a CATOBAR Carrier

There is no comparison btw LCA-N & F-35

 

[Archie]

Have you seen PN's or PAF's budget



There is no comparison btw LCA-N & F-35

like i said before LCA is for Vikrant
F35 will be for Vishal

 

[sancho]

Not if Pak-Fa naval will be ready by next decade.

Another BS article of IDRW...

- IN has no importance on 5th gen fighters, if they had, they would not waste time and money on N-LCA
- IN is highly interested in Rafale M since the early 2000s, but so far came to the conclusion, that it would need carriers with catapults to use it efficiently, which they don't have
- there is no decision from the US side, if we get catapults for IAC 2 yet

And to answer your question, the question is not naval Pak Fa / FGFA or F35, but ski-jump or captapult take off, because the naval Pak Fa / FGFA won't be able to be used from catapults. So if the US keep denying us catapults, we will build bigger IAC1s, which then could carry Mig 29Ks, N-LCAs or naval Pak Fa / FGFA and rejects the need of any other foreign fighter. IN btw sent the RFI to LM only because they are developing naval fighters, not because they are particularly interested in the F35 and they only asked for the C version, while LM decided to brief IN about the B version too, but IN is quiet clear that they don't want more STOVL fighters anymore, since they have carriers with arrested landing systems.

 

[Echo_419]

Another BS article of IDRW...

- IN has no importance on 5th gen fighters, if they had, they would not waste time and money on N-LCA
- IN is highly interested in Rafale M since the early 2000s, but so far came to the conclusion, that it would need carriers with catapults to use it efficiently, which they don't have
- there is no decision from the US side, if we get catapults for IAC 2 yet

And to answer your question, the question is not naval Pak Fa / FGFA or F35, but ski-jump or captapult take off, because the naval Pak Fa / FGFA won't be able to be used from catapults. So if the US keep denying us catapults, we will build bigger IAC1s, which then could carry Mig 29Ks, N-LCAs or naval Pak Fa / FGFA and rejects the need of any other foreign fighter. IN btw sent the RFI to LM only because they are developing naval fighters, not because they are particularly interested in the F35 and they only asked for the C version, while LM decided to brief IN about the B version too, but IN is quiet clear that they don't want more STOVL fighters anymore, since they have carriers with arrested landing systems.

Perhaps the IN is hoping that the experience we are gaining from navalising LCA can be used to navalise FGFA jointly with the Russians & i have herd that deriving a naval version from Air force one is hard but the opposite is quite easy,why don't we follow this approach in LCA MK2 develop the naval version 1st instead of the AF one

 

[sancho]

Perhaps the IN is hoping that the experience we are gaining from navalising LCA can be used to navalise FGFA jointly with the Russians & i have herd that deriving a naval version from Air force one is hard but the opposite is quite easy,why don't we follow this approach in LCA MK2 develop the naval version 1st instead of the AF one

IN has already stated that the only point they support N-LCA was, that India get experience in naval fighter design. But even if that's a good cause, it doesn't justify anything more than a tech demonstrator program. And by the fact that we hired EADS to help us with the navalising, we can't really expect that we have any knowledge to do it with FGFA. The funny thing however is, that the Russians are ready to let HAL do the navailising part, but for obvious reasons, since that would fund the development of the naval version, which Russia don't have to fund anymore. Not to mention that they know, when HAL can't do it, Sukhoi will simply take over anyway.
Yes it's far more difficult to navalise a fighter, when it's not developed with airframe or gear strengthenings in the first place, but LCA MK2 is just a basic upgrade with very minor external changes. It still is a fighter developed for Air Force, which needs a propper re-design for the naval use. That's why if ADA/DRDO would had learned from their mistakes, they would develop AMCA as a carrier fighter and divert a version from that later to replace MKIs in IAF later. Far more logical and far more useful for both forces, but sadly ADA/DRDO doesn't give a damn about what the forces want or what is logical and simple.

 

[Kompromat]

F-35 will serve IN perfectly, since all users are overwhelmed with joy over its roof smashing performance. I just heard that the UK, Australia, Canada, Norway and Netherlands are going to tripple their orders.

 

[NKVD]

F-35 will serve IN perfectly, since all users are overwhelmed with joy over its roof smashing performance. I just heard that the UK, Australia, Canada, Norway and Netherlands are going to tripple their orders.

Yeah !!No competition in A2A Engagements when you have AN/AAQ-37 DAS System in your Fighter

 

[Otocal]

A squadron of F-35B which is truly a CAS/Battlefield fighter for the II Corps.

 

[Abingdonboy]

E-MALS is not possible. .. unless India accepts US offer co-ssss. ..

Thats what I am saying too.
Even steam catapult isnt as easy as some think.

The IN has all but confirmed the IAC-2 will be larger and in a CATOBAR configuration. Naturally there are only 2 options for this- steam catapults or EMALS, tech which is controlled by the US alone and would cost India untold millions and possibly decades to develop themselves. In Chuck Hagel's recent visit he stated EMALS had been cleared for sale to India.


Anyway, of course the IN is still interested in the F-35C, there are not many fighters that can take off and land from a carrier and even fewer that would be of interest to a navy who was looking for a next generation fighter for their brand new carrier coming into service in the next decade. To me there seems only 3 options- the Rafale-M, N-FGFA and F-35C.

However the Rafale-M is a 4.5+ ten fighter (yes with some 5th gen capabilities and will be enchanted over the years), the N-FGFA is a paper plane as of yet and the FGFA is yet to even fly to date. Addtionally it is unknown if the Russians would/could develop the N-FGFA as a fighter able to take off from a Catapult, if they can't then the N-FGFA is a no-go (sadly as it would be ideal). So through the process of elimination you are left with the F-35C which is okay but there are serious issues with the F-53 program as a whole and the I would much rather see the N-FGFA on the IN's decks.

 

[danger007]

The IN has all but confirmed the IAC-2 will be larger and in a CATOBAR configuration. Naturally there are only 2 options for this- steam catapults or EMALS, tech which is controlled by the US alone and would cost India untold millions and possibly decades to develop themselves. In Chuck Hagel's recent visit he stated EMALS had been cleared for sale to India.


Anyway, of course the IN is still interested in the F-35C, there are not many fighters that can take off and land from a carrier and even fewer that would be of interest to a navy who was looking for a next generation fighter for their brand new carrier coming into service in the next decade. To me there seems only 3 options- the Rafale-M, N-FGFA and F-35C.

However the Rafale-M is a 4.5+ ten fighter (yes with some 5th gen capabilities and will be enchanted over the years), the N-FGFA is a paper plane as of yet and the FGFA is yet to even fly to date. Addtionally it is unknown if the Russians would/could develop the N-FGFA as a fighter able to take off from a Catapult, if they can't then the N-FGFA is a no-go (sadly as it would be ideal). So through the process of elimination you are left with the F-35C which is okay but there are serious issues with the F-53 program as a whole and the I would much rather see the N-FGFA on the IN's decks.

atleast we should have 60-70 k ton carrier ... but not less than 60k... F -35 c got some problems but it could be resolved by the time IAC 2 come out real.. N FGFA still long long
way to go... N Rafale might be good option but maintenance etc are almost equal to 5th gen ... I like to go F 35 c ... as it comes with advanced weapon package .. We must go for E-MALS. ..