Indian Navy News & Discussions

[arp2041]

Doubtful, because of the high costs and the uncertainties about possible budget cuts. It will be far better to order a higher number of MRMR aircrafts (1 x P8I = 4 to 5 C295MPA!).

No sancho, order of 24 P-8Is was confirmed by than CNS Admiral Nirmal Verma to "India Strategic" -

..:: India Strategic ::. Indian Navy: Indian Navy to induct 24 Long Range Maritime Reconnaissance Aircraft

The role of LRMR can't be substituted by induction of MRMR, In fact some naval planners are asking to induct P-8Is only for the role of MRMR b'coz of already set-up infrastructure.

 

[sancho]

No sancho, order of 24 P-8Is was confirmed by than CNS Admiral Nirmal Verma to "India Strategic"

it was being planned to acquire 12 more LRMRs

They hope to order 12 more, but there is no additional order as of now, wrt infrastructure, there are several options that would offer commonality as well, Embraer 145 MPAs, same platform that IAF uses for AWACS and that could be used for shorebased AWACS, the Sea Herc MPA, or as I often say 1 big order of C295s for BSF, IAF, IN and ICG at once. Commonality is not an issue, especially when you look at the huge cost-difference between P8I and these aircrafts, be it the unit or the lifecycle costs and this will play an important role when additional orders of P8Is will be considered.

 

[arp2041]

They hope to order 12 more, but there is no additional order as of now, wrt infrastructure, there are several options that would offer commonality as well, Embraer 145 MPAs, same platform that IAF uses for AWACS and that could be used for shorebased AWACS, the Sea Herc MPA, or as I often say 1 big order of C295s for BSF, IAF, IN and ICG at once. Commonality is not an issue, especially when you look at the huge cost-difference between P8I and these aircrafts, be it the unit or the lifecycle costs and this will play an important role when additional orders of P8Is will be considered.

But what about the range, can we substitute MRMR for a LRMR in range??

 

[sancho]

But what about the range, can we substitute MRMR for a LRMR in range??

The range and endurance of prop-engined MPAs is sometimes even better and you can counter that with higher numbers as well, so that won't be an issue:

P8 - Range: 1,200 nmi (2,222 Km) 4 hours on station
Sea Herc - 1325 nmi (2454 Km) 4 hours on station
C295 - 1800 nmi (3330 Km) maximum patroled distance

Infact, having 2 MPAs operating in the same area at the same time, compared to just 1 increases the chances to find a target, since we are talking about a large area that these MPAs have to cover, even to protect our costlines.

 

[arp2041]

The range and endurance of prop-engined MPAs is sometimes even better and you can counter that with higher numbers as well, so that won't be an issue:

P8 - Range: 1,200 nmi (2,222 Km) 4 hours on station
Sea Herc - 1325 nmi (2454 Km) 4 hours on station
C295 - 1800 nmi (3330 Km) maximum patroled distance

Infact, having 2 MPAs operating in the same area at the same time, compared to just 1 increases the chances to find a target, since we are talking about a large area that these MPAs have to cover, even to protect our costlines.

One last thing, if the range of ac like C295 is more than P-8Is & also the cost is many times less than it, than why is IN preferring P-8Is over them??

 

[sancho]

One last thing, if the range of ac like C295 is more than P-8Is & also the cost is many times less than it, than why is IN preferring P-8Is over them??

That's the figure I got from the Brochure, but might be the maximum range without time on station like the others. The P8 as platform alone offer many other advantages, more space for equipment, operators, additional crew, internal weapon bays, higher ceilling and speed...
It is an advanced long range/endurance MPA, while the C295 could complement it quiet good with higher numbers and more cost-effective on the lower end.

 

[SpArK]

If you're in Kochi, the Navy is holding public days from Dec 13-16 at the Naval Base there. You'll be able to check out warships, aircraft.

 

[Agent_47]

If you're in Kochi, the Navy is holding public days from Dec 13-16 at the Naval Base there. You'll be able to check out warships, aircraft.

****...im out of station.

 

[arp2041]

ABG Shipyard bags Rs. 485 crore order from the Ministry of Defence

ABG Shipyard Limited, country’s largest private ship building company has bagged a repeat order from the Ministry of Defence for building an additional cadet training vessel for the Indian Navy. This prestigious contract is worth about Rs. 485 crore.

Vessel specifications: The vessel will be approximately 110 meters in length with the capacity to carry a light helicopter.

Designed to achieve a maximum speed of 20 knots, the vessel will be used to provide basic training to the Naval Cadets and trainees in activities such as disaster relief, search and rescue operations.

Till date ABG Shipyard has delivered more than 160 vessels worldwide.

Commenting on the order Mr. Dhanajay Datar – Whole-Time Director and Chief Financial Officer of ABG Group said, “This repeat order reinforces the Ministry of Defence’s confidence in us. We are honoured that the government has recognised our shipbuilding skills and given us the chance to service the country once again”

ABG Shipyard bags Rs. 485 crore order from the Ministry of Defence » Indian Defence Review

 

[arp2041]

Chindits: Commissioning Of Indian Coast Guard Ship H-188

 

[The A-5]

ABG Shipyard bags Rs. 485 crore order from the Ministry of Defence

ABG Shipyard Limited, country’s largest private ship building company has bagged a repeat order from the Ministry of Defence for building an additional cadet training vessel for the Indian Navy. This prestigious contract is worth about Rs. 485 crore.

Vessel specifications: The vessel will be approximately 110 meters in length with the capacity to carry a light helicopter.

Designed to achieve a maximum speed of 20 knots, the vessel will be used to provide basic training to the Naval Cadets and trainees in activities such as disaster relief, search and rescue operations.

Till date ABG Shipyard has delivered more than 160 vessels worldwide.

Commenting on the order Mr. Dhanajay Datar – Whole-Time Director and Chief Financial Officer of ABG Group said, “This repeat order reinforces the Ministry of Defence’s confidence in us. We are honoured that the government has recognised our shipbuilding skills and given us the chance to service the country once again”

ABG Shipyard bags Rs. 485 crore order from the Ministry of Defence » Indian Defence Review

This is the ABG-built Cadet Training Vessel.

 

[arp2041]

Broadsword: India’s Ocean?

 

[jimmydefence]

New Vikrant photos Yesterday (14-Dec-2012)

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o664/jimmydefence/Photo1155_zpsca6c3761.jpg

 

[Azazel]

Navy considering having its own Tanker and AWACS fleet

Growing number combat fleet in Indian air force with midair refueling capability in next few decade is forcing, Navy to considering buying its own dedicated fleet of Mid- air refuelers , Indian air force purchased six IL-78 based Mid- air refueling aircrafts from 2003 on-wards and navy has been sharing it with air force to refuel their own Sea Harriers .

With modernization of many of the combat jet in the Indian air force fleet (Mig-29UPG , Jaguars ,Tejas ) with midair refueling probe and growing aircrafts in its own fleet of combat aircrafts (Mig-29k, N-LCA) , Navy is worried about not finding mid-air refuelers for training with its crew for this particular task in future .

IAF’s IL-78MKI have already logged hundreds of hours in in-flight refueling hours after their induction in 2003 and also have participated in many international air exercise including in prestigious Red Flag exercise in United states , as per sources this aircrafts will require engine change soon ,since they have been flying almost on every day basics and have clocked in very high number of hours since it was required to provide in-depth training for Fighter pilots since it was a new capability which Indian air force had acquired .

Indian air force is already considering purchase of more six such aircrafts , and Russia have again offered IL-78 for IAF’s requirement’s along with offers from Airbus on their Airbus A320 , and has per recent media reports Airbus might have won the deal . Navy wants to purchase two of tankers for its own fleet .

Navy also seems to be interested in going for DRDO developed AWACS platform for its naval sea patrolling, Navy has already ordered Eight Boeing developed P-8l AWACS to replace Tu-142M and IL-38 platforms from its fleet and recently increased the orders by ordering four more P-8l , increasing the acquisition to 12 aircraft.

Navy considering having its own Tanker and AWACS fleet | idrw.org

 

[DMLA]

Indian Navy RAS (replenishment at sea) aerial footage showing INS Aditya, INS Teg and INS Betwa.

The fourth ship seen in some frames is one of the older Talwars