Indian Navy News & Discussions

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[Archie]

As far as capability of Gorshkov is concerned
It is capable of operating 30 Aircrafts
Technically the ship is designed to operate 20 Mig29k and 10 Helicopters
While it is upto the Navy to decide what Ratio of Helicopters and fighters it want to operate
The reason why the Navy went for the Gorshkov in 2004 was becoz it had found the deal at that time to be Value for money and also becoz IAC1 was not in picturean Viraat was ageing
As per that deal The carrier Refit would have cost 974 Million USD while 16 Mig29k and 6 Ka31 helicopters would have cost an additional 700 Mil $
At the time it was expected that the carrier would have entered indian service by 2008 and would have been only 21 yrs old hence capable of operating another 25 yrs
However i dont think the navy and even the russians knew that there would be such cost excalations

Secondly India has purchased 45 Mig29k and about 20 LCA N are on order
what i can tell u is that these aircraft will operate from both Vikrant and Vikramaditya
As far as vikrant is concerned it is capable of operating 40 Aircrafts at full load , including 30 fighters and 10 helicopters , while indian navy is likely to operate only 30 aircrafts from the carrier at peace time
The armaments of the Vikrant Class are to be At par with Kolkata class Destroyers of the indian navy

Class and type: Vikrant Class
Type: Aircraft Carrier
Displacement: CV-01 40,000 tonnes[1]
CV-02 65,000 tonnes[1]

Length: 262 metres (860ft)
Beam: 60 metres (197ft)
Draught: 8.4 metres (28ft)
Propulsion: 4 General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines, driving four shafts.
Speed: 28 knots
Range: 7,500 nautical miles
Complement: 1,400 (incl air crew)
Armament: 4x Otobreda 76 mm and various point defence SAM and CIWS
Aircraft carried: 29 Mikoyan MiG-29K + HAL Tejas
+ 10 Ka-31 'Helix' or HAL Dhruv

The Vikrant class aircraft carriers (formerly, the Project 71 "Air Defence Ship" (ADS)) are the first aircraft carriers of the Indian Navy to be designed and built in India

As far as CBG of both these carriers is concerned
it will be as follows
Vikramaditya : 3 Talwar class frigates + 3 Delhi Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)
Vikrant : 3 Shiwalik class frigates + 3 Kolkata Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)
Vikrant class aircraft carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[flanker143]

Another scam unearthed in Indian Navy


NEW DELHI: The Indian Navy has ordered a high level inquiry against Commodore Sukhjinder Singh associated with the Rs 11,000 crore Admiral Gorshkov (renamed INS Vikrainadlya) Aircraft Carrier deal after his objectionable photos with a Russian women were surfaced.
The photographs were reportedly sent to the Indian Navy by Indian intelligence officers. Singh is said to have influenced the performance of his official duties. The issue will be probed by an officer of the rank of Vice Admiral of Indian Navy.

Russian Aircraft Carrier Admiral Gorshkov has been in controversy for quite a long time. Its price soared from Rs 4,870 crore in 2004 to Rs 11,650 crore this year after Moscow increased the price almost three fold for refurbishing the Aircraft Carrier. The project has been delayed by about five years.

There are worries within the Defence and Intelligence establishment that the inquiry may open up a Pandora’s box and may lead to involvement of other senior and naval officers associated with project.

 

[rajgoynar]

Nuclear-powered Russian missile cruiser to dock at Goa



Russia's heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser, Pyotr Velikiy, will dock at a port in Goa for six days from Friday during which the warship will also take part in a joint naval exercise with the Indian Navy. The missile cruiser is visiting port Mormugao Aug 6-11, an official in the Russian embassy
here said.

According to the spokesperson of the Russian Ministry of Defence (Navy), the cruiser will participate in joint exercises with Indian naval ships.

There will be air defence, gun firing exercises, manoeuvering and replenishment at sea.

The spokesperson, quoting Russian Navy General Headquarters, said the visit of the Russian cruiser "is another step in strengthening mutual understanding and cooperation between Russian and Indian navies".

Pyotr Velikiy is one of the state-of-the-art and powerful attack ships in the Russian Navy.

It can hit big surface targets and has very effective air defence and anti-submarine capabilities.

The weaponry of the cruiser includes attack cruise missiles (range up to 550 km) air defence systems.

The cruiser has a powerful nuclear propulsion system and can sail at 32 knots (60 km/h). The service life of this system is 50 years.

The energy potential of the cruiser's nuclear power plant enables it to provide energy for a city with population of 150,000-200,000 people, the spokesperson said.

Officers on board the cruiser will call on Indian navy officials in Goa also.

The personnel of the cruiser will go for sightseeing in the India port state and participate in volleyball matches and tug-of-war competitions with Indian naval officers and sailors.




Nuclear-powered Russian missile cruiser to dock at Goa - Hindustan Times

 

[rajgoynar]

Indian Navy chopper rescues 4 marooned fishermen in Orissa



Bhubaneswar, Aug 7 (PTI) Four marooned fishermen were today rescued by an Indian Navy chopper in Orissa's Malkangiri district while a 60-year-old man died and another went missing in flash flood that hit about 40,000 people in the state. "The four persons of Udaygiri village of Malkangiri who were trapped in flood water, were rescued by an Indian Navy chopper early this morning," Orissa's Revenue and Disaster Management minister S N Patro told the state Assembly. Making a statement on the flood situation, the minister said the state government had sought help of Defence ministry to rescue the four fishermen as they could not be reached due to high current in river Kolab. The four were airlifted to Malkangiri district headquarters, he said. Gundicha Bhadra (60) died in flood in Bhaskel river, while Jhintu Mali of Bapatiguda village in Nabaragpur district remained missing, Patro said. The minister claimed that members of Orissa Disaster Rapid Action Force (ODRAF) had successfully rescued 250 school children who were trapped in flood water in Nabaragpur district. Flash flood triggered by heavy downpour hit districts of Kalahandi, Nabarangpur, Malkangiri, Koraput, Gajapati, and Balangir, he said adding adequate relief materials were distributed among the affected families. Patro along with two other ministers were scheduled to visit the flood-hit areas tomorrow. The minister said water level in most of the major rivers had started receding and were below the danger mark.



Indian Navy chopper rescues 4 marooned fishermen in Orissa, IBN Live News

 

[Indian-Devil]

As far as capability of Gorshkov is concerned
It is capable of operating 30 Aircrafts
Technically the ship is designed to operate 20 Mig29k and 10 Helicopters
While it is upto the Navy to decide what Ratio of Helicopters and fighters it want to operate
The reason why the Navy went for the Gorshkov in 2004 was becoz it had found the deal at that time to be Value for money and also becoz IAC1 was not in picturean Viraat was ageing
As per that deal The carrier Refit would have cost 974 Million USD while 16 Mig29k and 6 Ka31 helicopters would have cost an additional 700 Mil $
At the time it was expected that the carrier would have entered indian service by 2008 and would have been only 21 yrs old hence capable of operating another 25 yrs
However i dont think the navy and even the russians knew that there would be such cost excalations

Secondly India has purchased 45 Mig29k and about 20 LCA N are on order
what i can tell u is that these aircraft will operate from both Vikrant and Vikramaditya
As far as vikrant is concerned it is capable of operating 40 Aircrafts at full load , including 30 fighters and 10 helicopters , while indian navy is likely to operate only 30 aircrafts from the carrier at peace time
The armaments of the Vikrant Class are to be At par with Kolkata class Destroyers of the indian navy

Class and type: Vikrant Class
Type: Aircraft Carrier
Displacement: CV-01 40,000 tonnes[1]
CV-02 65,000 tonnes[1]

Length: 262 metres (860ft)
Beam: 60 metres (197ft)
Draught: 8.4 metres (28ft)
Propulsion: 4 General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines, driving four shafts.
Speed: 28 knots
Range: 7,500 nautical miles
Complement: 1,400 (incl air crew)
Armament: 4x Otobreda 76 mm and various point defence SAM and CIWS
Aircraft carried: 29 Mikoyan MiG-29K + HAL Tejas
+ 10 Ka-31 'Helix' or HAL Dhruv

The Vikrant class aircraft carriers (formerly, the Project 71 "Air Defence Ship" (ADS)) are the first aircraft carriers of the Indian Navy to be designed and built in India

As far as CBG of both these carriers is concerned
it will be as follows
Vikramaditya : 3 Talwar class frigates + 3 Delhi Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)
Vikrant : 3 Shiwalik class frigates + 3 Kolkata Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)
Vikrant class aircraft carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey Buddy if all the front line Frigates and Destoryers are placed with Aircraft Carrier then how rest priorities will be fullfilled. 6 Frontline surafce vessels for a Aircraft carrier is little high in nos for a country which doesnot have required no of surface vessels and under sea platforms.

 

[jha]

Planning for Tomorrow’s Navy: Challenges in Retrospect ​

Our racial memory has, with good reason, always been obsessed by the perpetual threat of invasion from the Himalayan passes; the Pakistani marauders who came across Uri in 1947 and the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) hordes who swarmed down the slopes of Tawang in 1962 only served to reinforce this historical and cultural fixation.

When India gained Independence, those charged with planning for the country’s embryonic maritime force were fortuitously, men of vision; and within six months had prepared a ten-year expansion plan for the consideration of the Government of India. The plan was drawn up around the concept of two fleets; one for the Arabian Sea and the other for the Bay of Bengal, each to be built around a light-fleet carrier to be later replaced by larger fleet carriers. This somewhat grandiose plan, which received the approval of both the Governor General Lord Mountbatten and Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, unfortunately failed to materialize. Hostilities with Pakistan in the state of Jammu and Kashmir barely two months after Independence focused the young nation’s attention as well as scarce defence resources towards the Himalayas rather than the oceans, and the naval plans were put on the back burner.

Subsequently, during the first few decades post-independence, the Indian Navy (IN) existed in an environment of uncertainty. There was a time when we needed to justify, year after year, our plans, our acquisitions and often our very raison d’ etre to a skeptical Government. It was only in the 1980s that the Navy’s potential as an instrument of state power began to dawn on decision-makers and found a permanent niche in their consciousness.

As the smallest of the three armed forces of a nation beset with a continental mindset, the IN has faced numerous challenges from time to time. This article attempts to provide a ringside view from the higher reaches of Naval Headquarters (NHQ), circa 2003-2006, as well as some personal views and observations relating to force planning issues and processes.

Remoulding Minds

India’s emergence as an economic power of global significance and its essential reliance on the sea for energy, trade and projecting influence, is rapidly changing perceptions, and arousing the maritime consciousness of the intelligentsia. While India possesses all the attributes of a potential major power, an inherent cultural diffidence holds her back from assuming the mantle and responsibilities of a regional maritime power. The challenge thus clearly lies in our minds; and re-moulding of perception has been a consistent endeavour of the naval leadership.

Conventional deterrence and war fighting are indeed the bread and butter of navies, but these remain essentially linked to threats, which inevitably tend to wax and wane cyclically with diplomatic activity. Such has been our naiveté and myopia in matters of national security that periodically there emerges a view amongst decision-makers that with ‘peace breaking out’ all round, the possibility of conflict is diminishing and that defence spending needs to be cut back. On occasions in the past, just as this view was about to prevail, a security crisis has arisen to bring us back from the brink; and so regrettably, we have seen this farcical cycle enacted many times in our brief history.

The Challenge of Obsolescence

We were fortunate that the seeds of a self-reliant blue water Navy were sown by our farsighted predecessors when they embarked on the brave venture of undertaking warship construction in India four decades ago. Since then, our shipyards have done very well to have delivered more than 85 ships and submarines, many of Indian design, to the IN.

While the hull and even the propulsion machinery of a warship is meant to last for two or three decades, what naval planners dread most is the onset of obsolescence of weapon systems as soon as the ship is launched. This is a very real challenge because a ship may take anything between 6-8 years to construct (in Indian conditions), and since the imported weapons/sensors when nominated for fitment were already in service, they would be 10-15 years (or more) old by the time the ship becomes operational. Thus when the ship completes just half her life, the on-board systems are already over 25 years old and rapidly losing efficacy against contemporary threats.

The latest warship delivered to the navy, INS Beas, is stated to be 85 per cent indigenous in content and this is indeed heartening news. But we must face the stark reality that the remaining 15 per cent consists of weapons, sensors and combat management systems, which define the fighting potential of the ship. These systems not only constitute the most expensive component of a warship but, are also most susceptible to obsolescence and have so far remained beyond the capability of the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) as well as the Defence Public Sector Undertakings (DPSU) to design or produce.

Planning for Tomorrow?s Navy: Challenges in Retrospect | Indian Defence Review

 

[Archie]

Hey Buddy if all the front line Frigates and Destoryers are placed with Aircraft Carrier then how rest priorities will be fullfilled. 6 Frontline surafce vessels for a Aircraft carrier is little high in nos for a country which doesnot have required no of surface vessels and under sea platforms.

Vikramaditya : 3 Talwar class frigates + 3 Delhi Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)
Vikrant : 3 Shiwalik class frigates + 3 Kolkata Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)

Dude , thats what it is going to be , what i have said is exactly what the navy wants
If u go by our Maritime doctrine and Naval Vision 2022 ,then it calls for 3Aircraft Carriers , so that 2 will be deployed at all time

The above list is based on what has actually been inducted and what is under production
You have totally missed what we have on order
It is true that we will get 2 CBG by 2015 , however only one will be deployed at any time ,during 2015-2020. Thats coz a carrier is under mentainence for 6 months after each period of 18 month duty

Indian Navy has ordered 7 P-17A Frigates , 4 P-15B Destroyers , 8 P-28A Anti submarine corvettes ,3 N subs
Thats 11 frontline surface combatants on order apart from the 8 already under induction
These ships will begin joining in 2016-17 and there induction will continue till 2022
So by 2022 You can hope to see 29-30 Frontline surface vessels ,24 corvettes , 20 submarines in indian service
Against a present fleet of 21 Frontline surface vessels .

 

[jha]

Pyotr Veliky cruiser, INS Trishul to hold exercises in Arabian Sea

Russia's Pyotr Veliky nuclear-powered guided-missile cruiser and Indian Talwar class missile frigate INS Trishul will conduct a joint PASSEX-type naval exercise in the Arabian Sea on Wednesday.

The warships will practice joint maneuvering and carry out several communications drills.

The Pyotr Veliky, the flagship of the Russian Northern Fleet, is returning to its home base in the Barents Sea from large-scale naval drills in the Pacific Ocean. The cruiser called at the port of Mormugao in the Indian state of Goa on August 6. There it replenished water and food supplies.

Mormugao is the only port on India's western coast allowing visits by nuclear-powered ships.

The Russian cruiser already visited Mormugao in January 2009, when it took part in the INDRA-2009 joint anti-piracy naval drills with the Indian Navy.

Russia's largest and most powerful warship, the Pyotr Veliky has a displacement of between 24,000 and 26,000 tons, and a speed of up to 31 knots (almost 57 km/h). The ship is 251 meters in length and has a crew of more than 700 sailors.

The ship's main weapons include 20 SS-N-19 Shipwreck missiles, designed to engage large surface targets, and air defense is provided by 12 SA-NX-20 Gargoyle launchers with 96 missiles and 2 SA-N-4 Gecko with 44 missiles.

 

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[brahmastra]

Good Old Indian Jugaad Makes Viraat Ageless, Could Keep Going For 10 More Years

"There used to be a time when we got hot water and cold food on board. That's been sorted out now," said an Indian Navy aviator today, fondly, of his time on INS Viraat in the 1990s, India's sole aircraft carrier, and one that continues to baffle her makers with her incredible, perplexing longevity. Today, it was revealed by another senior Indian Navy officer (not the aviator quoted above -- as one moronic commenter tried to correct me on) that the 28,000-ton carrier, which was transferred to India in 1987 for what was expected to be, in effect, a seven-year operational swansong, can actually stay operational for another ten years or more -- till 2020 if necessary. "She can go for another 5-10 years. The remarkable thing about Viraat is that there are no foreseeable limits to her endurance," the officer said. Last year, she turned 50 following a life extension programme at the Cochin Shipyard (see photo) -- made necessary by the monumental Gorshkov delays. This is a warship, it appears, that simply gets better with age. Literally.

The officer -- he played a key role in overseeing the life extension programme -- added, "We are known for our jugaad. But it wasn't just that. India has achieved a remarkable piece of engineering here, conducted entirely by an Indian firm with Indian knowhow. I can tell you Viraat is truly in great shape. We had to cut the ship open to replace her condensers. It was a true feat."

Under the life-extension programme, the Viraat underwent a great deal of steel work, received a new radar, new ESM gear, new habitations, new messes and galleys that have made it supremely more comfortable." I spent two separate nights on board Viraat in 2006 and 2007 out in the Arabian Sea -- she truly is a beaut. Ironically, chances are if she's pushed for another ten years, it's very likely Viraat won't have any aircraft to fly off its deck.

 

[sudhir007]

Indian warships to exercise with Brazil, S Africa

India’s warships will be on a two-month long deployment in African coast when they will hold a trilateral exercise with navies of Brazil and South Africa, apart from carrying out anti-piracy patrols in Mauritius and Seychelles beginning this weekend. Four warships including a destroyer and two

frigates from the Navy’s Western Fleet would be deployed in the Indian Ocean Region when they would also visit Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique and South Africa, where the biennial IBSAMAR (India-Brazil-South Africa Maritime) exercise will be held.

A senior Navy officer said in New Delhi on Wednesday that the deployment would provide the Indian Navy “good opportunity to re-establish and further relations” with the navies of the African continent in areas of training and passage exercises.

Indian naval destroyer INS Mysore, frigates INS Tabar and INS Ganga along with tanker INS Aditya would be sailing there when they would also patrol the Exclusive Economic Zones of Mauritius and Seychelles and carry out anti-piracy operations.

Brazil will participate in the IBSAMAR exercise with its warships, while South Africa would bring their submarines.

During the IBSAMAR exercise, to be held in September, the three navies would also perform anti-air, anti-submarine, visit-board-search-seize operations apart from other naval warfare manoeuvres such as fuelling in mid sea.

“This will be the second edition of IBSAMAR. The first edition was held in 2008. This year’s exercise will be much more complex than the previous one,” the officer added.

This time though there would be no aerial fleet of the Indian Navy participating in the IBSAMAR exercise, though South Africa would be bringing in their aircraft, he added.

IBSAMAR would be held around the South African coast and there would be visits to Durban, Cape Town, Simon’s Town and Port Elizabeth as part of the exercise.

India will be the lead Navy for this edition of IBSAMAR and Brazil will take upon the role in the next edition to be held in 2012.

“The exercise is to develop interoperability among the three navies so that they could carry out joint operations during times of need in the high seas,” the officer said.

The western board deployment of the Navy comes a month after its warships from the eastern fleet had gone on a two-month voyage to south east Asian countries and Australia, when they called on ports in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, and Brunei.

 

[Devianz]

Vikramaditya : 3 Talwar class frigates + 3 Delhi Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)
Vikrant : 3 Shiwalik class frigates + 3 Kolkata Class Destroyers + 2 Type28A anti sub corvettes + 1 Deepak class Replenishment tanker + 2 N subs(Akula + Arihant class)

Bro, are you sure that we are going to assign 3 frigates and 3 destroyers for each carrier?
2 destroyers and 2 frigates would be more correct.
Are there any sources that mentions the use of 3 frigates and 3 destroyers? Thanks in advance.

 

[jha]

NAVY GETS TU-142 After MODERNIZATION

TSAMTO, August 10. Indian Navy after the planned repairs and modernization at OAO TAVIA "referred to the long-range anti-aircraft Tu-142ME. This year for the Indian Navy will be renovated and upgraded another Tu-142ME, ITAR-TASS quoted the press service of the enterprise.

The report does not indicate how many Tu-142ME has been repairing and upgrading.

According TSAMTO, a contract to modernize eight long anti Tu-142ME Indian Navy to be signed in 2005. Perhaps the contract was signed later. For some time the program was in limbo because of interference by Israel, has offered the Indian Navy to modernize the Tu-142ME by a tripartite agreement with Russia. Moreover, repeatedly receive a message stating that the contract was eventually shelved.

In 1986, India was delivered eight anti-aircraft Tu-142MK under the designation Tu-142ME, which were built at the Taganrog Aviation Plant. These aircraft were equipped with search and track anti-system "Kite-K, which included towed magnetometer MMC-106" Ladoga "and equipment Hydrological Intelligence Nerchinsk. All of these airplanes require a major overhaul, during which they must be equipped with a new onboard equipment, upgraded turboprop engines and new weapons systems. Under the original plan, the renovation of all eight aircraft scheduled for 6 years and completed in 2010-2011. In this period of operation of each aircraft shall be extended for another 16 years.

The upgraded Tu-142ME can perform tasks to monitor and protect the territorial waters, conduct electronic reconnaissance, search, track and defeat the latest low-noise submarines surfaced and submerged, moving at full speed or low speed, or lying motionless on the ground at any time of day, and adverse weather conditions. When you install missile Tu-142ME can strike at surface ships, land and coastal sites.

Maximum range Tu-142ME is 12 thousand km , the maximum speed at the weight of 138 tons at a height of 7 thousand meters - 855 km / h, cruising speed - 735 km / h, the flight duration of 9 hours. Maximum weight of payload in the case of installation on the aircraft on 6 missile BrahMos "is 9,6 m (the option to install the CD" Brahmos "proposed by the Indian Navy), normal weight payload in the case of CDP 8 X 35 - 4.4 tons. In a typical search-and-shock version of the plane is placed to 140 sonobuoys.

 

[Dash]

There used to be a time when we got hot water and cold food on board. That's been sorted out now," said an Indian Navy aviator today, fondly, of his time on INS Viraat in the 1990s, India's sole aircraft carrier, and one that continues to baffle her makers with her incredible, perplexing longevity. Today, it was revealed by another senior Indian Navy officer (not the aviator quoted above -- as one moronic commenter tried to correct me on) that the 28,000-ton carrier, which was transferred to India in 1987 for what was expected to be, in effect, a seven-year operational swansong, can actually stay operational for another ten years or more -- till 2020 if necessary. "She can go for another 5-10 years. The remarkable thing about Viraat is that there are no foreseeable limits to her endurance," the officer said. Last year, she turned 50 following a life extension programme at the Cochin Shipyard (see photo) -- made necessary by the monumental Gorshkov delays. This is a warship, it appears, that simply gets better with age. Literally.

Nice small article

But on one hand we keep bashing Russian for delaying a single carrier and here is one peice of excellence..INS Viraat..hats off to CSL and Hats off to the one who made it...and hands of to our "Jugaad"...