Indian Navy News & Discussions

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[Abingdonboy]

That's a small yet deadly one.

She is tiny but that is the point of SSKs so they can remain in shallow waters and hug coasts, despite that these beasts can remain sumberged for up to a month and with AIP even longer. The SSNs and SSBNs are the real heavyweights.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

She is tiny but that is the point of SSKs so they can remain in shallow waters and hug coasts, despite that these beasts can remain sumberged for up to a month and with AIP even longer. The SSNs and SSBNs are the real heavyweights.

Yes. Of course.
I actually meant that in comparison to Kilos they are small, means too small. I had the opportunity to see one when I was about 14 and on vacation....

Of course its smaller than Kilos , but from the pictures it seems a little too small.

One question remains in my mind, we have our own heavy weight torpedo ready for induction , why cannot we use it from these sharks ?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Navy demands at least 18% in P15B be outsourced by public shipyard to Indian industry.

Navy demands at least 48% in P17A be outsourced by public shipyard to Indian industry.

Combat management system of INS Vikrant is being done by TATA.

More than 15 serving naval officers are working DRDO labs on various subsystems ment for the navy.

A lot more in the series from all three branches, great watch.

 

[Perpendicular]

Departs Mumbai.....
Indian Navy sub "INS Sindhukesari" heading to Russia for a refit.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

View attachment 304011 Departs Mumbai.....
Indian Navy sub "INS Sindhukesari" heading to Russia for a refit.

Wasn't there a deal to modernise these in India ?

 

[MKC]

Can India counter China’s submarine force?

• PUSHAN DAS

Last week, India’s first conventional submarine in over a decade and a half — the INS Kalvari — finally began sea trials, amid reports of Indo-US cooperation in tracking Chinese submarine activity in the region. As sightings of Chinese submarines become more frequent in the Indian Ocean region, the Indian Navy is looking at innovative ways to gain an edge in anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities. Can the Indian Navy effectively counter a modern Chinese submarine force, which is primarily optimized for regional anti-surface warfare missions near major sea lines of communication in the Indian Ocean?

India’s expenditure on defence acquisition has remained largely static in real terms in recent years, resulting in constraints on not just the navy but the armed forces in general. The defence outlay for fiscal year 2016/17 was INR 2.49 trillion (USD 36.63 billion), but according to IHS Jane’s 360, this was counterbalanced by rising inflation, and weakening of the Indian rupee against the U.S. dollar over the past two years. Furthermore, the force posture and modernization agendas of the Indian armed forces under the continued broad influence of a “two-front war” construct have left the Indian Navy with a mere 16 percent of the defense budget (excluding defense pensions). This limits the navy’s capacity to address increasing diffusion of the People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN)’s capabilities in the region.

The commissioning of the INS Kalvari, first of six indigenously-built French Scorpene-class submarines, should be a shot in the arm for the navy’s ageing and dwindling submarine fleet. However, the submarine will be inducted sans its primary weapon: torpedoes. The navy plans to buy Black Shark torpedoes from a subsidiary of Italian defense big wig Finmeccanica. But the company is currently embroiled in a helicopter bribery scam in India that will create further delays in acquisition, leaving the weapons platforms ineffective for the near future. Given how long submarine building takes, the follow-on program for Project-75 I submarines is probably more than a decade away, considering the Ministry of Defence is yet to issue a Request for Proposal.

The navy’s most-recently inducted surface combatants destroyers — INS Kolkata, INS Kochi, and ASW corvettes INS Kamorta and INS Kadmatt — lacked Active Electronic Towed Array Sonar (ATAS) systems to detect submarines at the time of commissioning. The Indian Navy is also woefully short of ASW helicopters, which means that ships have taken to sailing without their requisite air complements of late. The purchase of 16 Sikorsky S-70B naval multi-role helicopters (MRH) is stuck in price negotiations. While the navy has made significant progress in acquiring government approval to build a robust warship program, its acquisition of an adequate multi-role ship-borne helicopter has been futile. This significantly reduces the ability of Indian vessels to triangulate and engage underwater targets. However, in recent years, India’s aerial maritime surveillance has received somewhat of a boost with the induction of eight Boeing Poseidon-8I maritime patrol and ASW aircraft, which have been deployed to the strategically important Andaman and Nicobar Islands and more recently, Seychelles. The process of acquiring four more P-8I aircraft is on.

In contrast, according to a new Congressional Research Service report, “China since the mid-1990s has acquired 12 Russian-made Kilo-class non-nuclear-powered attack submarines and put into service at least four new classes of indigenously-built submarines.” The same report quotes various defense sources, estimating the PLAN submarine force to grow to between 69 and 78 submarines by 2020. A combination of nuclear-powered (such as Jin class/Type 094) and conventionally-powered (such as Yuan class/Type 039A) submarines will represent formidable capability.

Compounding Indian concerns over China’s increasing underwater ambition in the Indian Ocean, Pakistan is believed to be in the process of purchasing eight Type 039A/Type 041 Yuan-class diesel-electric submarines from Beijing. Added to the existing three French Agosta-90B/Khalid and two Agosta-70 submarines of the Pakistan Navy, the Indian Navy faces a significant under water threat in the years to come.

Prominent strategic analyst Ashley Tellis recently argued that India’s “current and prospective defense budget constraints” suggest that it won’t be able to fund its stated warfighting orientations “adequately”, and this will constrain its ability to be a net security provider in the region. Acquiring “effective military capabilities for power projection coupled with wise policies for their use” are key to India’s ambitions in the region.

Fitting India’s defense needs within a reasonably-sized budget remains a challenge as concerns remain over its fiscal situation. Despite allocating around 54 percent of its budget (INR 394.25 billion/USD 5.93 billion, excluding pensions) to capital expenditure this year, the navy would be woefully short of funding its Long-Term Integrated Perspective Plan (LTIPP 2012-27). This is because the assumption was that the allocation for defense would equal three per cent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) during the entire plan period, which has not happened.

Co-operating with the United States and regional partners in ASW in the Indian Ocean will help the navy bridge its ASW capacity deficit, and also allow for the optimization of its available assets and capabilities. The commitment to sign the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA) during U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter’s visit to India last month— which grants India access to certain U.S. military bases like Diego Garcia, Djibouti, Bahrain as well as logistical assets in the region— will be central to Indo-U.S. co-operation in ASW. With a bit of imagination, the Indian naval assets can increase their endurance, and range in tracking and deterring PLAN’s submarine forays into the region. Division of labour, by way of forming different areas of responsibility to track and monitor, will help focus India’s limited ASW capacities in strategically-vital regions.

While procurement difficulties and funding issues will drive New Delhi’s co-operative sourcing of maritime capabilities, India’s defense preparedness and capability-development efforts will ultimately depend on building an efficient system of defense procurement, indigenous production capability, and acquisition reform, in order to sustain this modernization. Given the centrality of the Indian Ocean to India’s national security and China’s increasing activity and ambition there, New Delhi must recapitalize and optimize its ASW capability in order to shape the region’s security environment.

 

[Abingdonboy]

ADDM plus in Brunei:

 

[Nilgiri]

She is tiny but that is the point of SSKs so they can remain in shallow waters and hug coasts, despite that these beasts can remain sumberged for up to a month and with AIP even longer.

I was wondering, can they carry enough provisions for the crew to last more than a month?

 

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[MKC]

First follow on waterjet fast attack craft (FOWJFAC) INS Tarmugli was handed over to navy on 15th April.

HINDUSTAN TIMES, NEW DELHI
FRIDAY, APRIL 22 ,2016

THE TIMES OF INDIA
FRIDAY, APRIL 22 ,2016

THE HINDU
THURSDAY, APRIL 21,2016

THE ECONOMIC TIMES
THURSDAY, APRIL 21,2016

HINDUSTAN TIMES
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 20, 2016

DAINIK JAGRAN
TUESDAY, APRIL 19, 2016

PROBHAT KHABOR
TUESDAY, APRIL 19, 2016

 

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https://defencyclopedia.com/2014/09...s-kolkata-class-vs-chinas-type-52d-destroyer/

 

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By:southfront.org
India: Plans for Nuclear-Powered Aircraft Carrier

India’s navy has everything but finalized plans for a nuclear-powered super-carrier, which is scheduled to be built in Kochi with the help of the US, reported The Telegraph Calcutta, on May, 16

In preparation for the long-gestation project, estimated for 2028, the navy is setting up the building blocks that will identify the aircraft to be based on the carrier, called the Vishal (to be pre-fixed with “INS” on commissioning).

Nuclear energy enables a carrier to sail for months without needing to dock for refueling. The Navy wants a nuclear-powered carrier for “longer sea legs”, to enhance its reach beyond territorial waters.

It has determined that the carrier will need a nuclear reactor generating 180MW for propulsion, and may go for two reactors of 90MW each. Talks with the BARC (Bhabha Atomic Research Centre) are at an advanced stage.

The Vishal is being designed to be between 60,000 and 70,000 tones. India’s first carrier, the INS Vikrant, displaced 18,000 tones. The second, soon-to-be decommissioned INS Viraat, 24,000 tones. Both were of British origin. The operational INS Vikramaditya displaces 45,000 tones. It is of Russian origin.

The Navy has bolstered its case for a nuclear-powered carrier by citing the nuclear deals India has signed not only with the US but also with Japan and Germany, albeit for peaceful uses of nuclear technology.

The Navy chief said in Goa earlier this week that the government was yet to freeze the design and specifications for the Vishal.

Naval test flying

In official papers, the Vishal is described as the IAC (Indigenous Aircraft Carrier) II. The IAC I, called the Vikrant after India’s now-decommissioned first carrier, is due in 2018. It was launched in 2014.

“We are setting up the naval test flying team in INS Hansa to evaluate potential and future aircraft: to evaluate everything from aircraft to weapons,” said Commodore Raghunath Nair, commanding officer of naval air station Hansa.

“The Navy now has 240 aircraft but there aren’t enough infrastructures. We are finding an energetic response from the government to the plans.”

The Navy had invited preliminary inquiries from foreign entities for the design and development of the Vishal: DCNS of France, Rosoboronexport of Russia, Lockheed Martin of the US. Within the top brass, however, there is a congealing of opinion that the US option may be the one to go after.

This is as much because of the technology regime that India promises to enter following the nuclear deals as because the US is actually operating carriers and building them, the latest being the Gerald R Ford class.

“We’ve practically written the carrier operations manual for the Russians,” said one officer. He pointed to the Russian navy ordering the MiG29K fighter aircraft after India bought the planes from them.

The MiG29K are now operational with the INS Vikramaditya (the Admiral Gorshkov, which too was bought from Russia). The Chinese, who also reconverted a Russian vessel to get their carrier, the Liaoning, are yet to commission the vessel.

“We have an institutionalized memory of carrier operations since 1961. We are sure about one thing – we are far ahead of the Russians and Chinese in carrier operations. But now it is time we go for the new carriers. And the US is practically the only one building them,” the officer said.

Foreign partner

India and the US have a joint working group on sharing, and possibly co-producing, the electromagnetic aircraft launch system that is going into the USS Gerald R Ford.

“In the Arihant (the Indian nuclear submarine now in sea trials) we have gained, with some Russian help, the ability to develop a reactor for our purpose. BARC is confident that it can build for the carrier too,” the officer said.

In February, the US chief of naval operations, John Richardson, said that about talks with India that “we are making very good progress”. I am very pleased with the progress to date and optimistic we can do more in the future. That’s on a very solid track,” Richardson added.

The Indian Navy is fairly certain that it doesn´t want the indigenously built light combat aircraft (Navy) for the Vishal. The IAC II has been planned as a catobar (catapult-assisted take-off and arrested recovery) that would launch aircraft with a catapult powered electromagnetically.

The only operational carrier now is the Vikramaditya. At 45,000 tones it has a flight deck that is still too small for the new dimensions of carrier operations the Navy is envisaging from the Vishal, the officer said.

The light combat aircraft (Navy) that has been in the making with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for 25 years has only done ramp take-offs in trials so far and “no traps” (or arrested recovery) yet...............Read more

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Vishal shouldn't be rushed. Rather a refined 45,000-50,000 ton carrier should be ordered in meanwhile. More of a follow on of INS Vikrant.