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I believe this is the first pic of the interior of the IN's P-8Is.
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Navy scouring area size of UK
The Indian Navy’s hunt for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 in the Bay of Bengal and Andaman Sea now spreads over a total area of more than 2.5 lakh sq km, roughly the size of the United Kingdom.
Barely a year after it was inducted into the navy, the Boeing P-8I ‘submarine-hunter’ has been assigned to carry out one of the biggest search operations to be undertaken by the force, which has been functioning without a chief since Admiral DK Joshi resigned on February 26, accepting responsibility for a rash of recent accidents.
The navy on Saturday deployed two P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare planes to scour the Bay of Bengal on a day Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak asserted that the missing Boeing 777-200 jet was deliberately flown across the Malay Peninsula towards the Indian Ocean.
Other planes taking part in the search operations include the air force’s newly-acquired C-130J special operations aircraft, Dornier reconnaissance planes and helicopters. Six warships are scanning the Andaman Sea and Strait of Malacca for clues.
Kuala Lumpur had on Friday requested New Delhi to deploy assets in the Bay of Bengal to expand the scope of the search operations beyond the Andaman Sea.
“So far, no sighting has been reported by any of the units,” a navy officer said.
The new area marked for search is more than 900 km west of Andaman and Nicobar Islands capital city of Port Blair, barely 300 km from the Chennai coast. The hunt for the missing plane has entered India’s exclusive economic zone, which extends up to 370 km from the east coast.
Last May, the navy had inducted the first of its eight P-8I planes ordered from the United States at a cost of $2.1 billion in 2009. It has so far inducted three P-8Is, which are based at naval air station Rajali in Tamil Nadu. Three more planes are likely to join the navy’s air wing this year, followed by the remaining two in 2015.
The Indian Navy is the first international customer for the P-8, a variant of the P-8A Poseidon developed for the US Navy. The P-8I is capable of carrying out a raft of roles such as anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence gathering, surveillance and reconnaissance.
The planes — four more are to be bought — are expected to shape the navy’s air power beyond 2050. The P-8I is a military derivative of Boeing’s 737-800 commercial aircraft.
P-8I ‘SUBMARINE HUNTERS’ fact file
Length: 39.47 m
Wing Span: 37.64 m
Height: 12.83 m
Max takeoff weight: 85,139 kgs
Top speed: 789 km/h
Range: 2,222 km
Navy scouring area size of UK | idrw.org
The Indian Navy’s hunt for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 in the Bay of Bengal and Andaman Sea now spreads over a total area of more than 2.5 lakh sq km, roughly the size of the United Kingdom.
Barely a year after it was inducted into the navy, the Boeing P-8I ‘submarine-hunter’ has been assigned to carry out one of the biggest search operations to be undertaken by the force, which has been functioning without a chief since Admiral DK Joshi resigned on February 26, accepting responsibility for a rash of recent accidents.
The navy on Saturday deployed two P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare planes to scour the Bay of Bengal on a day Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak asserted that the missing Boeing 777-200 jet was deliberately flown across the Malay Peninsula towards the Indian Ocean.
Other planes taking part in the search operations include the air force’s newly-acquired C-130J special operations aircraft, Dornier reconnaissance planes and helicopters. Six warships are scanning the Andaman Sea and Strait of Malacca for clues.
Kuala Lumpur had on Friday requested New Delhi to deploy assets in the Bay of Bengal to expand the scope of the search operations beyond the Andaman Sea.
“So far, no sighting has been reported by any of the units,” a navy officer said.
The new area marked for search is more than 900 km west of Andaman and Nicobar Islands capital city of Port Blair, barely 300 km from the Chennai coast. The hunt for the missing plane has entered India’s exclusive economic zone, which extends up to 370 km from the east coast.
Last May, the navy had inducted the first of its eight P-8I planes ordered from the United States at a cost of $2.1 billion in 2009. It has so far inducted three P-8Is, which are based at naval air station Rajali in Tamil Nadu. Three more planes are likely to join the navy’s air wing this year, followed by the remaining two in 2015.
The Indian Navy is the first international customer for the P-8, a variant of the P-8A Poseidon developed for the US Navy. The P-8I is capable of carrying out a raft of roles such as anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence gathering, surveillance and reconnaissance.
The planes — four more are to be bought — are expected to shape the navy’s air power beyond 2050. The P-8I is a military derivative of Boeing’s 737-800 commercial aircraft.
P-8I ‘SUBMARINE HUNTERS’ fact file
Length: 39.47 m
Wing Span: 37.64 m
Height: 12.83 m
Max takeoff weight: 85,139 kgs
Top speed: 789 km/h
Range: 2,222 km
Navy scouring area size of UK | idrw.org
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LCA Navy Will Long Remain Work in Progress
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A Shore Based Test Facility (SBTF) for simulating STOBAR (Ski-jump Take-Off, But Arrested Recover) operations from the deck of an aircraft carrier has been operational for a while in Goa and is due to be formally commissioned later this month. The SBTF is already being used to train Navy pilots for INS Vikramaditya operations. In future it will be used to develop and certify LCA Navy before the aircraft's induction into the Navy on board Indian Aircraft Carrier (IAC) INS Vikrant, which is currently under construction at Cochin.
DRDO was to demonstrate LCA Navy's deck operation capability at SBTF, Goa by mid 2014, but that is not likely to happen. Progress in developing LCA Navy - which first flew in on April 27, 2012 - was first stymied by problems with its redesigned and strengthened undercarriage. We can now expect more delay on account of a need to tweak the LCA's Flight Control Software (FCS) to facilitate deck operations.
The LCA-Navy FCS was reportedly developed with assistance from National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) and validated by the US Navy. However, Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), Bengalure, has recently sought assistance to incorporate new features in OFP (Operation Flight Program) Software for LEVCON Air Data Computer (LADC), along with updates in the existing algorithms based on flight test results.
LCA Navy uses Levcons, active aerodynamic surfaces on the wing root leading edges, to control boundary layer flow and increase lift during low speeds. (LCA Tejas does not feature Levcons.)
LADC is part of Digital Fly by Wire FCS. The Quadruplex LADC would provide control logic and commands for the LEVCON actuation system, compute the control laws and mode logics for ski-jump, Auto throttle modes, Arrest hook systems etc. The computer also derives the necessary air data parameter required for the Flight Control System.
(After being augmented, LADC software would need more tweaks based on actual data generated in test flight.)
LCA Navy will feature hands-off take-off using ski-jump to ensure smooth transition to stable flight, and hands-off landing using steady AOA, autothrottle approach, flareless touchdown, and arrester hook engagement. During take-off and landing the pilot will be required to only give steering inputs to stay on the center line.
Thum! Kaun Aata Hai?: LCA Navy Will Long Remain Work in Progress
LCA Navy
A Shore Based Test Facility (SBTF) for simulating STOBAR (Ski-jump Take-Off, But Arrested Recover) operations from the deck of an aircraft carrier has been operational for a while in Goa and is due to be formally commissioned later this month. The SBTF is already being used to train Navy pilots for INS Vikramaditya operations. In future it will be used to develop and certify LCA Navy before the aircraft's induction into the Navy on board Indian Aircraft Carrier (IAC) INS Vikrant, which is currently under construction at Cochin.
DRDO was to demonstrate LCA Navy's deck operation capability at SBTF, Goa by mid 2014, but that is not likely to happen. Progress in developing LCA Navy - which first flew in on April 27, 2012 - was first stymied by problems with its redesigned and strengthened undercarriage. We can now expect more delay on account of a need to tweak the LCA's Flight Control Software (FCS) to facilitate deck operations.
The LCA-Navy FCS was reportedly developed with assistance from National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) and validated by the US Navy. However, Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), Bengalure, has recently sought assistance to incorporate new features in OFP (Operation Flight Program) Software for LEVCON Air Data Computer (LADC), along with updates in the existing algorithms based on flight test results.
LCA Navy uses Levcons, active aerodynamic surfaces on the wing root leading edges, to control boundary layer flow and increase lift during low speeds. (LCA Tejas does not feature Levcons.)
LADC is part of Digital Fly by Wire FCS. The Quadruplex LADC would provide control logic and commands for the LEVCON actuation system, compute the control laws and mode logics for ski-jump, Auto throttle modes, Arrest hook systems etc. The computer also derives the necessary air data parameter required for the Flight Control System.
(After being augmented, LADC software would need more tweaks based on actual data generated in test flight.)
LCA Navy will feature hands-off take-off using ski-jump to ensure smooth transition to stable flight, and hands-off landing using steady AOA, autothrottle approach, flareless touchdown, and arrester hook engagement. During take-off and landing the pilot will be required to only give steering inputs to stay on the center line.
Thum! Kaun Aata Hai?: LCA Navy Will Long Remain Work in Progress
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Two ICG ships decommissioned after 24 years of service
TUTICORIN: In a fitting tribute for their 24 years of service in sea, the Indian Coast Guard on Tuesday bid adieu to two of its coastal patrol vessels, ICGS Naiki Devi and ICGS Akka Devi in a grand manner.
Inspector general of Coast Guard (eastern region), Satya Prakash Sharma presided over the farewell ceremony at the Tuticorin port premises in the presence of Tuticorin Coast Guard station commandant, Anand Kumar and port chairman, Ananda Chandrabose. Sharma accepted the guard of honour by coast guard personnel near the vessels.
As a sign of decommissioning, the coast guard ensign and the national flags were brought down from the mast of the ships. The vessels were decorated with colourful lighting for the event. Coast Guard IG told reporters that the ICGS Naiki Devi at Tuticorin will be replaced with a new vessel by next month. The Coast Guard fleet would be augmented with 107 new vessels which are in various level of construction at ship building yards. Tuticorin coast guard station will be provided with new vessel ICGS Abhiraj and two hi-speed patrolling boats shortly, he added.
Belonging to the Tara Bai class of vessels, Naiki Devi and Akka Devi were commissioned in the year 1990. While Naiki Devi was based in Tuticorin, Akka Devi was deployed in Andaman and Nicobar command. The vessels with the length of 147 feet and 23 feet beam were equipped with two diesel engines for propulsion enabling them with 12 knots speed. Armed with one Bofors' naval gun and two machine guns, the vessels were involved in rescue and search operations and patrolling of the coastal areas.
Two ICG ships decommissioned after 24 years of service - The Times of India
TUTICORIN: In a fitting tribute for their 24 years of service in sea, the Indian Coast Guard on Tuesday bid adieu to two of its coastal patrol vessels, ICGS Naiki Devi and ICGS Akka Devi in a grand manner.
Inspector general of Coast Guard (eastern region), Satya Prakash Sharma presided over the farewell ceremony at the Tuticorin port premises in the presence of Tuticorin Coast Guard station commandant, Anand Kumar and port chairman, Ananda Chandrabose. Sharma accepted the guard of honour by coast guard personnel near the vessels.
As a sign of decommissioning, the coast guard ensign and the national flags were brought down from the mast of the ships. The vessels were decorated with colourful lighting for the event. Coast Guard IG told reporters that the ICGS Naiki Devi at Tuticorin will be replaced with a new vessel by next month. The Coast Guard fleet would be augmented with 107 new vessels which are in various level of construction at ship building yards. Tuticorin coast guard station will be provided with new vessel ICGS Abhiraj and two hi-speed patrolling boats shortly, he added.
Belonging to the Tara Bai class of vessels, Naiki Devi and Akka Devi were commissioned in the year 1990. While Naiki Devi was based in Tuticorin, Akka Devi was deployed in Andaman and Nicobar command. The vessels with the length of 147 feet and 23 feet beam were equipped with two diesel engines for propulsion enabling them with 12 knots speed. Armed with one Bofors' naval gun and two machine guns, the vessels were involved in rescue and search operations and patrolling of the coastal areas.
Two ICG ships decommissioned after 24 years of service - The Times of India
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BAE Systems pulls out of Indian Navy gun contest - IHS Jane's 360
The Indian Navy's (IN's) plans to acquire 13 127 mm guns for its frontline warships have run into problems after the withdrawal of one of two vendors invited to participate in the tender.
BAE Systems, which was sent a request for proposals (RfP) for the 127 mm guns in November 2013, has opted not to offer its 5-inch (127 mm) 62-calibre Mk 45 Mod Naval Gun System for the INR15 billion (USD243.5 million) tender after claiming that it is commercially and technologically unviable.
BAE Systems' withdrawal leaves Italy's Oto Melara as the sole bidder with its 127 mm/64-calibre lightweight naval gun.
"The company concluded that key aspects outlined in the RfP present the bidder with a disproportionate level of risk," BAE Systems wrote in a letter to the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) in late 2013, ahead of the March 2014 deadline to submit proposals.
Industry sources interpret "disproportionate risk" to include BAE Systems assuming production and quality control guarantees and delivery schedules for India's state-owned Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL), which will build 10 of the 13 guns via a transfer of technology.
BAE Systems would have no functional control over BHEL, but it would be penalised for the latter's nonperformance.
BAE Systems produces the Mk 45 gun in Minneapolis in the United States. It is in service with 10 navies including those of Australia, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Taiwan, Turkey, and the United States.
BAE Systems' departure leaves Oto Melara in the running with its 127 mm/64-calibre lightweight naval gun, which it is offering with the precision-guided Vulcano round that recently entered service with the Italian Navy.
Official sources said the "systemic" drawback of Oto Melara's inclusion is that it is owned by Finmeccanica, which faces a possible MoD ban following the 1 January termination of the deal for 12 AW101 AgustaWestland helicopters.
In addition, India's Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) demands the participation of at least two bidders in all materiel contracts. The DPP, however, does provide for exceptions to procure equipment from single vendors, such as materiel acquired via the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme. Military sources indicated that BAE Systems could be awarded the 127 mm contract via the FMS route, but there was no IN confirmation on its outcome.
The IN is being forced to import 127 mm guns as the government-run Defence Research and Development Organisation has been unable to develop them. The systems will arm seven Shivalik-class frigates and six Delhi-class destroyers that are at various stages of construction at local shipyards.
The Indian Navy's (IN's) plans to acquire 13 127 mm guns for its frontline warships have run into problems after the withdrawal of one of two vendors invited to participate in the tender.
BAE Systems, which was sent a request for proposals (RfP) for the 127 mm guns in November 2013, has opted not to offer its 5-inch (127 mm) 62-calibre Mk 45 Mod Naval Gun System for the INR15 billion (USD243.5 million) tender after claiming that it is commercially and technologically unviable.
BAE Systems' withdrawal leaves Italy's Oto Melara as the sole bidder with its 127 mm/64-calibre lightweight naval gun.
"The company concluded that key aspects outlined in the RfP present the bidder with a disproportionate level of risk," BAE Systems wrote in a letter to the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) in late 2013, ahead of the March 2014 deadline to submit proposals.
Industry sources interpret "disproportionate risk" to include BAE Systems assuming production and quality control guarantees and delivery schedules for India's state-owned Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL), which will build 10 of the 13 guns via a transfer of technology.
BAE Systems would have no functional control over BHEL, but it would be penalised for the latter's nonperformance.
BAE Systems produces the Mk 45 gun in Minneapolis in the United States. It is in service with 10 navies including those of Australia, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Taiwan, Turkey, and the United States.
BAE Systems' departure leaves Oto Melara in the running with its 127 mm/64-calibre lightweight naval gun, which it is offering with the precision-guided Vulcano round that recently entered service with the Italian Navy.
Official sources said the "systemic" drawback of Oto Melara's inclusion is that it is owned by Finmeccanica, which faces a possible MoD ban following the 1 January termination of the deal for 12 AW101 AgustaWestland helicopters.
In addition, India's Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP) demands the participation of at least two bidders in all materiel contracts. The DPP, however, does provide for exceptions to procure equipment from single vendors, such as materiel acquired via the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme. Military sources indicated that BAE Systems could be awarded the 127 mm contract via the FMS route, but there was no IN confirmation on its outcome.
The IN is being forced to import 127 mm guns as the government-run Defence Research and Development Organisation has been unable to develop them. The systems will arm seven Shivalik-class frigates and six Delhi-class destroyers that are at various stages of construction at local shipyards.
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What is wrong with the used 100mm on the Talwar and Delhi, or the 76mm used on P17? IF moving to something heavier, (and thereby occuring logistic disafvantages) then why not also include Brit 4,5" (114.5mm) or Russian new single 130mm? Why limit to 127mm? Incidentally, the Italian and US guns are very good, so IN should be happy to get any of those..
Italy 127 mm/64 (5") LW
USA 5"/62 (12.7 cm) Mark 45 Mod 4
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They're talking about P-17A and P-15B, so Kolkata class NOT Delhi class.
With now a single bidder situation remaining and that too a bidder owned by Finmeccanica I hope this doesn't drag out into a situation where there is constant deadlock for years that compromises the 2 class' construction and trail timelines.
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Usually, if a single-vendor situation arisis as a result of others pulling out/getting disqualified prematurely, then a fresh bidding will begin.
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Yes, I know, what is your point?I
With now a single bidder situation remaining and that too a bidder owned by Finmeccanica I hope this doesn't drag out into a situation where there is constant deadlock for years that compromises the 2 class' construction and trail timelines.[/quote]
But there are only 2 producers of 127mm naval cannon in the world. So how is that going to help (unless India modifies its position, which prompted BEA systems to withdraw in the first place)
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Well only 2 ways left then. Either refresh the regulations/terms to suit BAE, or site the requirement for
127mm guns as an emergency and go for direct govt-to-govt purchase.
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Or open up the caliber to allow e.g. 130mm A192M(E)!
FSUE ARSENAL Design Bureau named after M.V. Frunze, St.-Petersburg
Or the naval variant of that weird Russian twin 152mm gun (2 barrels on top of eachother).
Meanwhile, what is wrong with the 100mm A190(E) used in Talwars?
JSC CRI "Burevestnik" / 100-mm А190 AUTOMATIC NAVAL ARTILLERY SYSTEM
Incidentally, the Italian 127mm has a higher rate of fire than the US 127mm (but unfortunately is still 22 ton heavier even in the lightweight version)
This makes an interesting read on the naval gun topic http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/MCG.html
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Vizhinjam: Navy’s Plans Hit by Delay in MoD Nod
Delay by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in clearing the Navy’s and Coast Guard’s participation in the Vizhinjam port project and the consequent Kerala Government’s decision to go ahead with the project anyway has hit the Navy’s plans to have a strategic foothold in this region.
Under an earlier agreement, the Navy would get 500 metres of berth space for its vessels and the Coast Guard 120 metres at the proposed International Container Transshipment Terminal (ICTT).
Although the Navy had forwarded its recommendation to the Navy HQ, the MoD is yet to give the in-principle approval.
In a March 1 order, the state government announced its intention to proceed with the tendering process for the multi-crore project without waiting for the defence participation.
An empowered committee headed by the Chief Secretary had recommended that the government go ahead anyway if the MoD clearance was not obtained by February 25.
“The government also decided to proceed without the participation of the Indian Navy/Indian Coast Guard for the development of Vizhinjam International Seaport as the in-principle approval from the MoD, Government of India, for their participation was not received till February 28, 2014,” the order said.
“The Indian Navy’s interest in participation in the Vizhinjam Port project is because of its strategic location as well as the need for more bases for an expanding Navy. However, the final approval will have to be granted by the MoD,” the Navy spokesperson in Kochi told Express.
The state government had shown its readiness to provide space for the Navy and Coast Guard at the Vizhinjam port, provided they met the cost.
An initial state government estimate of `498 crore was also okayed by the defence agencies.
In 2008, the project got defence clearance only on the condition that Navy and Coast Guard vessels were allowed to dock at the port. Meanwhile, officials of the Vizhinjam International Seaport Ltd (VISL) said that the delay in the MoD nod was caused by the huge financial commitment involved.
Essentially, the Navy and the Coast Guard would have to meet a share of the cost of constructing the breakwater for the port.
Vizhinjam: Navy’s Plans Hit by Delay in MoD Nod | idrw.org
Delay by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in clearing the Navy’s and Coast Guard’s participation in the Vizhinjam port project and the consequent Kerala Government’s decision to go ahead with the project anyway has hit the Navy’s plans to have a strategic foothold in this region.
Under an earlier agreement, the Navy would get 500 metres of berth space for its vessels and the Coast Guard 120 metres at the proposed International Container Transshipment Terminal (ICTT).
Although the Navy had forwarded its recommendation to the Navy HQ, the MoD is yet to give the in-principle approval.
In a March 1 order, the state government announced its intention to proceed with the tendering process for the multi-crore project without waiting for the defence participation.
An empowered committee headed by the Chief Secretary had recommended that the government go ahead anyway if the MoD clearance was not obtained by February 25.
“The government also decided to proceed without the participation of the Indian Navy/Indian Coast Guard for the development of Vizhinjam International Seaport as the in-principle approval from the MoD, Government of India, for their participation was not received till February 28, 2014,” the order said.
“The Indian Navy’s interest in participation in the Vizhinjam Port project is because of its strategic location as well as the need for more bases for an expanding Navy. However, the final approval will have to be granted by the MoD,” the Navy spokesperson in Kochi told Express.
The state government had shown its readiness to provide space for the Navy and Coast Guard at the Vizhinjam port, provided they met the cost.
An initial state government estimate of `498 crore was also okayed by the defence agencies.
In 2008, the project got defence clearance only on the condition that Navy and Coast Guard vessels were allowed to dock at the port. Meanwhile, officials of the Vizhinjam International Seaport Ltd (VISL) said that the delay in the MoD nod was caused by the huge financial commitment involved.
Essentially, the Navy and the Coast Guard would have to meet a share of the cost of constructing the breakwater for the port.
Vizhinjam: Navy’s Plans Hit by Delay in MoD Nod | idrw.org
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