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The Navy already has 34 warships and six submarines on order at Indian shipyards. It currently has about 140 warships in its fleet.
 
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Navy gets UAVs to counter sea threat
23 Sep 2009, 0852 hrs IST

Ten months ago Ajmal Kasav and his gang of marauding gunmen exposed the terror threat from the seas. Now, thanks to the fact being brought to light Porbander airport is being equipped to keep a constant vigil over the coast.

In the wake of reports that terror groups may be plotting more attacks against India, the Indian navy has decided to deploy for the first time, an entire squadron of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) to maintain a non-stop vigil of country's maritime border with Pakistan.

The Indian Navy will deploy IAF's Israeli made UAVs, Searcher and the Heron Porbander. Both drones will now pick up on any suspicious movement on the seas.

UAVs like the Searcher and Heron are unique. They can fly for upto 12 hours and send real time images to the control room. The drones have the capability to rise to an altitude so high that they cannot be spotted easily, making them ideal eyes in the skies.

Though not armed at present, the navy says it can arm the UAVs if the need be. But for the time being, to maintain a non-stop real-time vigil is what the situation demands.

So far the Navy has used its aircrafts to monitor the coastline but now the coastal monitoring will become more sophisticated.

According to information available ,the Navy has almost upgraded its infrastructure at the porbandar airport to house the UAV squadron. sources say the squadron will begin operations by december. In fact the Indian Coast Guard has already moved a squadron of Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv from Goa to Porbandar.
 
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India need to extend thr submarine fleet urgently why not India give the order to u-214 who's 4 is in ready position.

Greece in Default on U-214 Submarine Order
The order is for 4, but only one is ready now, there are reports that PN will get that one if they fix the deal. IN went for Scorpene and even for Project 75B it seems they prefer Russian subs to replace Kilo class. Sad because with the experience of U209 these subs could be produced without much problem, or delays and are clearly the best AIP subs.
 
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MilParade.ru | #34 | MiG-29K TO OPERATE FROM NEW AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

The first one is the desire of the Indian Navy to acquire the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier as a totally effective naval system. This called for the provision of the ship with a multi-role ship-based arrested- landing fighter of the MiG-29K size.
Both the versatility and small size of these fighters are their indispensable qualities. The aircraft engages both air targets (including those flying at an altitude of 20 to 60 m) and surface targets. The experience gained in various operations has demonstrated that shipborne aviation can effectively used against ground targets. The small size of the aircraft is essential for the Admiral Gorshkov, as it ensures their safe operation from the carrier's narrow deck, while fitting the dimensions of the hatches, hangar height and strength of the hangar deck.
The equipping of this naval ship with the MiG-29K aircraft makes it a very effective unit, capable of carrying a total of 30 MiG-29K planes and six helicopters. The ship's combat group will include 12 MiG-29K planes, i.e. its flying deck area can permit takeoff and landing of a combat group of this size. This characteristic is of extreme importance, because a further reduction of the combat group to a number below eight machines dramatically downgrades the potential of the aircraft carrier as an overall combat system. Another reason for using the MiG-29K planes is the consistent desire of the Indian Navy to build a light aircraft carrier having a displacement of some 24,000 t, and to have a unified aircraft for both this carrier and the Admiral Gorshkov (the latter has a full displacement of 45,200 t).
Finally, there is a general tendency in the world (except the USA) towards building, at the turn of the century, comparatively small aircraft carriers which have a relatively low construction and maintenance cost; these carriers will be the base for aircraft the size of the MiG-29K, Rafale-M, F/A-18. Currently, this idea is gradually gaining support in Russia. Such a design concept is being studied with a view towards the present economic realities, as well as the future tasks facing the Armed Forces. The Mikoyan Design Bureau has not stopped its work on the MiG-29K aircraft despite the lack of financing since 1992.
In 1984, under the Russian Air Force development program, the MiG-29K was conceived as a multi-role fighter and was supposed to be developed almost simultaneously with the Su-27K (Su-33). In 1989 - 1991 the MiG-29K underwent tests aboard the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser simultaneously with the MiG-29M (a ground-based гtwinх of the MiG-29K). In December 1991, following these successful tests, Russia's Defense Ministry authorized the commencement of its series production and service with Russia's naval aviation, including its operation on board the Admiral Kuznetsov cruiser.
The MiG-29M and MiG-29K planes trebled the number of combat employment regimes in comparison with the fighters designed for engagement of air targets only. The number of guided weapon types carried by the aircraft was doubled, with air-to-ship, air-to-ground and air-to-radar heavy guided missiles added to their arsenal.
However, the aircraft was not launched into series production. December 1991 was the last month when Russia's Defense Ministry could purchase new types of aircraft, battle tanks or missiles. Since January 1992 to date, the situation has aggravated still more.
We know that the MiG-29 is precisely the kind of a multi-role aircraft needed today. Considering the fact that all the characteristics essential for a multirole fighter were incorporated into the MiG-29K at the design stage, and the aircraft has successfully passed all tests aboard the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser, it can now be easily employed for operation from aircraft carriers.
Now, let us consider what the MiG-29K looked like in 1991, what it will look like in 2002 on board the Admiral Gorshkov, and what shape it will take in 2008 on board a light aircraft carrier?
The 1991-built MiG-29K differs from the MiG-29 production model by featuring a new multi-function radar, dubbed Zhuk; a cabin with monochrome display and use of the HOTAS (hands-on-throttle-and-stick) principle; the RVV-AE air-to-air active homing missiles; antiship and antiradar missiles; as well as air-to-ground precision-guided weapons.
The aircraft has a remote control system, large-area (42 m2 vs 38 m2) folding wing, adjustable center-line air intakes with retractable screens protecting the engines during operation from ground airfields, reinforced landing gear, hook, corrosion- protected reinforced fuselage made specifically for deck-based aircraft, better view from the cockpit, more effective high-lift devices for landing and takeoff modes, and new air-brake flaps. The enhanced thrust engine has an emergency rating for takeoff from the deck. The internal fuel load was increased to 4,560 kg vs 3,340 kg of the series-produced MiG-29 largely due to the removal of the upper air intake inlets. The payload was also increased. The maximum weight of the aircraft grew from 19.5 to 22.4 t. Composite materials were widely used to manufacture its structural elements. Advanced alloys were also used, but to a lesser extent.
The aircraft can engage air targets, including low-flying ones, as well as destroy ships and ground targets with precision-guided weapons.
During its tests aboard the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser, the aircraft had a springboard-assisted takeoff from strips 195 m and 95 m long. According to the results of the tests, the landing accuracy proved to be very high, which made it possible at a later stage to switch over to a three-cable arrester system on the Admiral Gorshkov.
The 2002-built MiG-29K will feature better cockpit avionics with versatile liquid-crystal color displays. The cockpit was tested by Russian Air Force pilots on the MiG-29SMT fighters and was approved by them. The Indian Air Force pilots also flew the MiG-29SMTs and they also greatly appreciated the information-control field facilities of the cockpit.
The potential of the aircraft's navigational systems will be markedly increased through the installation of a satellite navigation system which has also successfully passed tests aboard the MiG-29SMT aircraft. The capabilities of airborne computers and weapons control systems will be enhanced as well.
The reduced weight and space required of the onboard equipment will help increase the internal fuel load, as compared to the 1991-built MiG-29K. The aircraft operated from an aircraft carrier will have an effective radius of 850 km for air combat and 1,150 km for antiship and strike operations (without refueling).
The aircraft has retained the in-flight refueling system. An aerial tanker version of the MiG-29K has also been developed.
The aircraft armament comprises the RVV-AE air-to-air active homing missiles; the R-27R1 semi-active homing missiles; the R-27ER1 increased-range missiles; the R-73, R-27E1, R-27TE1 heat-seeking missiles; the Kh-31A and Kh-35 antiship missiles; the TV-guided weapons; and, with an optional sight pod installed, laser weapons. An open-type architecture of the aircraft enables it to carry foreign-made weapons as well.
The landing accuracy is additionally enhanced through the employment of an autothrottle system. The takeoff characteristics make it possible to perform 90 percent of flights under tropical conditions when the carrier ship speed is 10 knots.
The assortment of the onboard equipment has been thought over with due consideration for the possible use by India of existing repair and maintenance facilities supplied at different times to it to service 70 MiG-29Bs. Engines can be overhauled in India.
The RD-33 series-III engine, a record holder in terms of total service life and reliability among the Russian-made fighter engines, will have an increased takeoff thrust, as well as extra corrosion protection.
Aluminum-lithium alloys used in some structural members have been excluded because of their high cost.
A 2008-built MiG-29K model will be a further development of the 2002-built version. However, all the novelties will be incorporated in a manner allowing their use on the aircraft supplied previously.
The intelligence of the airborne radar digital computer will be dramatically increased without changing the hardware.
The range of combat missions can be increased by adding optronic sight pods as well as radar, infrared imaging and reconnaissance equipment. The takeoff characteristics will be improved to increase the combat load of the aircraft operated from a light aircraft carrier using a smaller-size springboard.
The time is not ripe yet to disclose all the details of these projects, but we can say now that the MiG-29K, according to the Mikoyan Design Bureau estimates, has a significant potential due to its excellent aerodynamics and suitable dimensions
 
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The order is for 4, but only one is ready now, there are reports that PN will get that one if they fix the deal. IN went for Scorpene and even for Project 75B it seems they prefer Russian subs to replace Kilo class. Sad because with the experience of U209 these subs could be produced without much problem, or delays and are clearly the best AIP subs.

Why not Indian govt. shown some agrarian and sign the deal before pak. i agree with u that only one is in ready condition but remember at 3 are in construction mode of if we give the order it may compete before scorpene. we need to grow our navy sub. fleet asap. so in my point it is better deal with good price and it is a best conversional diesel submarine
 
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Why not Indian govt. shown some agrarian and sign the deal before pak. i agree with u that only one is in ready condition but remember at 3 are in construction mode of if we give the order it may compete before scorpene. we need to grow our navy sub. fleet asap. so in my point it is better deal with good price and it is a best conversional diesel submarine
No sudhir, you get it the wrong way:

Papanikolis (S120), the first-of-class U-214, was laid down in Kiel, Germany in February 2001 and launched in April 2004. In January 2005, HDW’s ThyssenKrupp Marine (TKMS) parent company bought Hellenic Shipyards near Athens, Greece, and invested heavily in modernizing it. Submarine work had already been underway since 2002, and Hellenic Shipyards built the next 3 Greek U-214

So there are no more under construction in Germany that could be bought.
 
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guys correct me if im wrong isnt the mig-29K the most advanced aircraft in our inventory right now ...i am not talking about raw power like mki but sophestication inside the cockpit and FADEC etc...
 
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Gorshkov selected after visual examination

New Delhi The decision to ink the multi-million dollar deal to purchase decommissioned Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov was taken after a mere “visual examination” of the ship in “as is condition”, the Indian Navy has admitted.
The Navy said in a reply dated September 22, 2009, on a Right to Information (RTI) request that it went ahead with the deal based on the “thought” that repairs would make the ship sea-worthy.

But it was only after the “equipment was opened up” later for a “detailed examination of hull structures, systems, cabling, etc” that the Navy found that entire replacements and not repairs were necessary for the carrier.

“As per the contract signed in January 2004, the original package was drawn up based on visual examination in as-is condition wherein it was found that the majority of the equipment, systems could be repaired while the electronic equipment could be renewed,” Vice-Admiral S P S Cheema with the Integrated Headquarters, Ministry of Defence (Navy), wrote in his RTI reply.

He went on to say that later “on opening up the equipment for a detailed examination and survey of the state of the hull structures, systems, cabling, etc, it emerged that these could not be repaired and hence would have to be replaced with new ones”.

“These additionalities have resulted in the increase in project costs,” the Vice-Admiral said in his response to RTI applicant S C Aggarwal.

“Russian side has been intimated that the cost revision now proposed by them is final and no further additional ties will be accepted for negotiation. The same has been accepted by the Russian side,” he said, adding that the revised delivery date of the ship is in December 2012.

The Vice-Admiral stated that the carrier would be as good as new with a service life “equivalent of a new aircraft carrier” once the additional works are over.

He said that any statements to the effect that the carrier was an “old, outdated carrier is without factual basis”, while confirming that the ship would meet the requirements of the Indian Navy.

Replying to the question on how much a new aircraft carrier the size of Gorshkov would cost, he said: “It is not feasible to buy a new aircraft carrier commercially off the shelf”.

“A new carrier of the size of Gorshkov is likely to cost between 3 to 4 BUSD (billion US $) and that too understandably without spares, training, infrastructure and documents cost,” he said, refusing to delve further by citing that such information would be prejudicial to state interests.

Asked about the life-span of Gorshkov, Public Information Officer and Commander-At-Arms S K Gupta referred to the Internet in his reply that “a modern-day aircraft carrier has a life span of 30 to 40 years with regular refits and routine maintenance”.

“Existing contract stipulates the ship’s (Gorshkov) service life span to be a minimum of 20 years. Preliminary study shows that the lifespan after additional works is likely to be beyond 40 years,” Gupta said in his separate reply.
 
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Russia tests Indian fighter jets on board its aircraft carrier | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire

September 30 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's MiG aircraft maker said on Tuesday it has successfully tested on board the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier four MiG-29 carrier-based fighter jets due to be delivered to India.

Russia and India signed a contract on January 20, 2004, stipulating the supply of 12 single-seat MiG-29Ks and four two-seat MiG-29KUBs to India as part of a $1.5 billion deal to deliver the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, currently being retrofitted in Russia for the Indian navy.

"During the tests on September 28-29, the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB fighters conducted several take offs and landings on the deck of the [Admiral Kuznetsov] aircraft carrier in the Barents Sea," the company said in a statement.

Admiral Kuznetsov is the only aircraft carrier in the Russian Navy.

The two MiG-29Ks and two MiG-29KUBs were officially transferred to India earlier this year. They were inspected by Indian technical experts and used in a five-month flight training course for the Indian pilots.

The aircrafts are expected to be delivered to India in mid-October.

Meanwhile, Russia and India are still negotiating a new deal on the completion of the Admiral Gorshkov overhaul.

Russia has pledged to finish the Admiral Gorshkov's overhaul as soon as possible and deliver it to India in 2012 if the additional $1.2 bln funding is provided by New Delhi.

After modernization, the carrier will join the Indian Navy as INS Vikramaditya, and is expected to be seaworthy for 30 years.
 
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I know this is old new but I dnt think anyone post this

Four MiG-29 fighter jets to join Indian navy in October - source | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire

The first four Russian-made MiG-29K/KUB fighter jets, purchased by India for the modernized Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, will be delivered to the Indian navy in October, an Indian defense source said.

Russia and India signed a contract on January 20, 2004, stipulating the supply of 12 single-seat MiG-29Ks and four two-seat MiG-29KUBs to India as part of a $1.5 billion deal to deliver the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, currently being retrofitted in Russia for the Indian navy.

"The aircraft are expected to arrive in mid-October. They will be assembled and tested in flight. After that they will be put in service [with the Indian navy]," the source said.

The official said that as the Admiral Gorshkov is still being overhauled in Russia, the aircraft will be temporarily based on land.

The two MiG-29Ks and two MiG-29KUBs were officially transferred to India earlier this year. They were inspected by Indian technical experts and used in a five-month flight training course for the Indian pilots.

Meanwhile, Russia and India are still negotiating a new deal on the completion of the Admiral Gorshkov overhaul.

Under the original 2004 contract between Russia's state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport and the Indian Navy, work on the aircraft carrier was to have been completed in 2008.

However, Russia later claimed it had underestimated the scale and the cost of the modernization, and asked for an additional $1.2 billion, which New Delhi said was "exorbitant."

After long-running delays and disputes, India offered in February 2008 to raise the refit costs for the aircraft carrier, docked at the Sevmash shipyard in northern Russia for the past 12 years, by up to $600 million.

Russia said it was not satisfied with the proposed amount, and the issue of the additional funding remains unresolved.

Talks on the additional funding agreement are currently underway. Russia has pledged to finish the Admiral Gorshkov's overhaul as soon as possible and deliver it to India in 2012 if the additional $1.2 bln funding is provided by New Delhi.

According to Russian media, India has no alternative but to allocate the required funds, despite recent objections from the government's accounting office, because the Indian Navy desperately needs to replace its INS Viraat, which, although currently operational, is now 50 years old.

After modernization, the carrier will join the Indian Navy as INS Vikramaditya, and is expected to be seaworthy for 30 years.
 
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L&T will bid to build navy's second submarine line

Engineering and construction giant Larsen and Toubro Tuesday said it will bid for the Indian Navy's second line of conventional submarines.Most Read

L&T can build nuclear capacity of 3-4,000 MW

The company had built India's largest shipyards, near Chennai and in Gujarat, which had the capacity to build all types of naval construction, including submarines, L&T chairman and managing director A.M. Naik told reporters here.

"We will be bidding for the navy's second line of conventional submarines," he said.

He pointed out that L&T, along with the Russians, was vying to build Amur-class vessels but the initiative did not take off due to lack of funds.

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"Our shipyards in Hazira and Kattupalli have the capability to take up construction of vessels of about 7,000 to 9,000 tonnage and even warships of the size three or four times these vessels
 
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L&T will bid to build navy's second submarine line

Engineering and construction giant Larsen and Toubro Tuesday said it will bid for the Indian Navy's second line of conventional submarines.Most Read

L&T can build nuclear capacity of 3-4,000 MW

The company had built India's largest shipyards, near Chennai and in Gujarat, which had the capacity to build all types of naval construction, including submarines, L&T chairman and managing director A.M. Naik told reporters here.

"We will be bidding for the navy's second line of conventional submarines," he said.

He pointed out that L&T, along with the Russians, was vying to build Amur-class vessels but the initiative did not take off due to lack of funds.

L&T Infotech, Infineon ink SAP contract

"Our shipyards in Hazira and Kattupalli have the capability to take up construction of vessels of about 7,000 to 9,000 tonnage and even warships of the size three or four times these vessels

India currently have these major shipyards which are engage in building warship:

Cochin Shipyard Limited
Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers
Goa Shipyard Limited
Hindustan Shipyard Limited
Mazagon Dock Limited

with the modernisation of these current shipyard and new ones from private sector like L & T,Bharti ,pipava,etc for building warships,IN can rapidly increase its fleet steregth.

L & T already mention its building capability ,IN should consider them for future order of warships and submarine...
 
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