Indian Navy Multi-Role Helicopter Competition To Kickstart Again

[SRBM2]

Thanks for posting these articles @Utkarsh!


Kind of harsh @SRBM2, and not true. Sikorsky has supported a variety of foreign navies who have the S-70B and has done so with great success. Just ask the Turkish Navy. They are very happy with the aircraft. US did not blackmail anyone. How do you "Blackmail" a country? I see you are passionate about this but let's not let our emotions speak for us. The facts would dispute your position. And I take great offense at your calling the S-70B mediocre equipment. Singapore has the undisputed best and most modern armed forces in the Far East and they chose the S-70B and have bought more. What does that tell you? I'll put the S-70B against any ASW or ASuW aircraft out there on cost vs. capability basis and it wins hands down!

Yes it is very true. Sikorsky has no power when US regime decides to blockade something. The US has blackmailed France to sue their over BNP-Paribas banks.
They pressured on Germany to drop the Rheinmetal deals and since germany is a b*tch that listens always to what uncle sam says it does so without hesitation. In case of Iraq we saw how unreliable the US is as a military hardware provider, they recieved the money and were unwilling to deliver bought equipment.

I don't care how much offence you take from that because that does not mean anything, we are not talking here about your feelings and Singapore is a country that is compltley allined with uncle sam, they mainly buy west stuff because it is a vassal in the east.

Sikorksy produces good helicopters but they are overprized but many of those versions are indeed mediocre compared to cost/effectivness factor and other helicopters of same class.

 

[Rikbo]

@SRBM2 - I am wasting my time trying to have a discussion with you, you have no facts, only opinions and you are obviously anti-USA on everything. I also suggest you take more time reviewing your posts because sometimes they are not understandable. Have a nice day.

 

[SRBM2]

@SRBM2 - I am wasting my time trying to have a discussion with you, you have no facts, only opinions and you are obviously anti-USA on everything. I also suggest you take more time reviewing your posts because sometimes they are not understandable. Have a nice day.

You did not come up with facts but accuse others of same thing to avoid a discussion about a matter that is plain to understand and take direct comperisions.
Yes i am anti USA (Regime) not technology, but as biased like you are with your "S-70B best hands down" before even making a single argument why it is better or against what it is better you already proclaimed it is better without comparing it, that is called fanboyism.

 

[Rikbo]

OK @SRBM2, read my previous posts and articles on the S-70B, especially the article in the Indian Defense Forum titled "Sikorsky S-70B - Right choice for the Indian navy Multirole helicopter." And please provide me info on your posts and articles to support your position. I would like to read them so as to understand your position. Then we can discuss further.

 

[Rikbo]

Sad day today. Just learned a Turkish Navy S-70B crashed into the mountains after leaving the Cengiz Topel airbase. Visibility was pour and the mountains were obscured at the time of the crash. I spent many weeks at the Cengiz Topel base supporting delivery of S-70B aircraft and came to know many TN officers and crew. I enjoyed working with them and I am very saddened by this accident. We always have to remember that while we all blog here about the MRH program, there are men and women risking their lives for their country. Whatever the MRH decision, let's hope the men and women of the Indian Navy get an aircraft that they can rely on.

Four killed in Turkish Seahawk crash - 10/13/2014 - Flight Global

 

[Neptune]

Sad day today. Just learned a Turkish Navy S-70B crashed into the mountains after leaving the Cengiz Topel airbase. Visibility was pour and the mountains were obscured at the time of the crash. I spent many weeks at the Cengiz Topel base supporting delivery of S-70B aircraft and came to know many TN officers and crew. I enjoyed working with them and I am very saddened by this accident. We always have to remember that while we all blog here about the MRH program, there are men and women risking their lives for their country. Whatever the MRH decision, let's hope the men and women of the Indian Navy get an aircraft that they can rely on.

Four killed in Turkish Seahawk crash - 10/13/2014 - Flight Global

DZKK CASUALTY REPORT UPDATE:

Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Deniz AKDENİZ

Rank: Dz.Plt.Bnb. (Naval Aviator-Pilot Major)

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: 1999-2014

Reason of Death: KIFA (Killed in Flight Accident)

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014 (Aged 37)

Hometown: Başiskele/KOCAELİ

Place of Burial: 17 August Cemetery, Gölcük/KOCAELİ

Maj. AKDENİZ was the father of two children. He was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.

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Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Çağrı CEYHAN

Rank: Dz.Plt.Ütğm. (Naval Aviator-Pilot 1st Lieutenant)

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: N/A

Reason of Death: KIFA

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014

Hometown: Ataköy/İSTANBUL

Place of Burial: Ataköy/İSTANBUL

1LT. CEYHAN was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.
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Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Mehmet KARAKAŞOĞLU

Rank: Rad.Astsb.Kd.Üçvş. (Naval Aviator-Radar Technician Senior Petty Officer 1st Class )

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: N/A

Reason of Death: KIFA

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014 (Aged 30)

Hometown: İnegöl/BURSA

Place of Burial: ANKARA

SPO1 KARAKAŞOĞLU was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.

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Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Ömer Burak ÖĞÜT

Rank: DSA Astsb.Üçvş. (Naval Aviator-Sonar/ASW Technician Petty Officer 1st Class )

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: N/A

Reason of Death: KIFA

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014

Hometown: ESKİŞEHİR

PO1 ÖĞÜT, father of two children was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.​

 

[sudhir007]

@Rikbo
which is better ASW MH-60R or S-70B

 

[Neptune]

@Rikbo
which is better ASW MH-60R or S-70B

AFAIK; S-70B is the export designation for SH-60/MH-60R

 

[Rikbo]

A

DZKK CASUALTY REPORT UPDATE:

Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Deniz AKDENİZ

Rank: Dz.Plt.Bnb. (Naval Aviator-Pilot Major)

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: 1999-2014

Reason of Death: KIFA (Killed in Flight Accident)

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014 (Aged 37)

Hometown: Başiskele/KOCAELİ

Place of Burial: 17 August Cemetery, Gölcük/KOCAELİ

Maj. AKDENİZ was the father of two children. He was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.

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Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Çağrı CEYHAN

Rank: Dz.Plt.Ütğm. (Naval Aviator-Pilot 1st Lieutenant)

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: N/A

Reason of Death: KIFA

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014

Hometown: Ataköy/İSTANBUL

Place of Burial: Ataköy/İSTANBUL

1LT. CEYHAN was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.
​

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Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Mehmet KARAKAŞOĞLU

Rank: Rad.Astsb.Kd.Üçvş. (Naval Aviator-Radar Technician Senior Petty Officer 1st Class )

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: N/A

Reason of Death: KIFA

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014 (Aged 30)

Hometown: İnegöl/BURSA

Place of Burial: ANKARA

SPO1 KARAKAŞOĞLU was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.

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Branch: Turkish Naval Forces

Name/Surname: Ömer Burak ÖĞÜT

Rank: DSA Astsb.Üçvş. (Naval Aviator-Sonar/ASW Technician Petty Officer 1st Class )

Unit: Naval Aviation Command / 351. FİLO

Aircraft Flown: MH-60R Seahawk

Years of Service: N/A

Reason of Death: KIFA

Place of Death: Balaban Town, Karaardıç, Keles/BURSA

Date of Death: 12 October 2014

Hometown: ESKİŞEHİR

PO1 ÖĞÜT, father of two children was on a training flight among with 3 other sailors. NAS Cengiz Topel have lost radar contact from Maj. AKDENİZ's flight, 7 minutes after takeoff. The investigations are ongoing. The debris of the Seahawk was found 11 hours later, leaving four TNF Officers&NCOs killed.​

Thank-you for this information. The aircraft they flew is an S-70B Seahawk. It is very different than the MH-60R although the aircraft look similar. It is not the export designation for the MH -60R, they are completely different aircraft.

@Rikbo
which is better ASW MH-60R or S-70B

Please read my previous posts in this forum. I believe the S-70B is the better aircraft and I go into detail in some of those posts.

 

[IND151]

Well it would be pretty important- any such JV winning out and then delivering NMRHs to the IN would take, what, 5-6 years? At least the stop-gap procurement of 16 (hopefully more) would ease some of the (serious) pain the IN is facing on this front right now with their Sea King and Ka-28 fleet. You seriously can't think the current situation of flying 30+ year old aged Helos from $1BN+ Destroyers is acceptable?

Wasnt IN deploying Dhruv as stop gap ASW platform? can it be used as stopgap MRH for navy?

 

[sancho]

Wasnt IN deploying Dhruv as stop gap ASW platform? can it be used as stopgap MRH for navy?

HAL had developed an ASW version, which however didn't met IN's requirements, that's why they are searching for foreign N-LUHs in the same class of the Dhruv and the NMRH above too. Naval Dhruv will only be used as SAR and uttility helicopters, mainly from shore bases.

 

[IND151]

HAL had developed an ASW version, which however didn't met IN's requirements, that's why they are searching for foreign N-LUHs in the same class of the Dhruv and the NMRH above too. Naval Dhruv will only be used as SAR and uttility helicopters, mainly from shore bases.

Whats the name of the ASW version?

 

[Rank]

Good more dependency on Amreekans.... India want some experience with US lol.... good going.... shruu may bhai bhaaai hota hey lol after 5 - 10 years... after effects nazar aajtay hain baray baray ragray gaye hain... India kia chez hey lol

 

[sancho]

Whats the name of the ASW version?

I don't think there was a dedicated name, since it still was in prototype stage:

 

[Rikbo]

I

Good more dependency on Amreekans.... India want some experience with US lol.... good going.... shruu may bhai bhaaai hota hey lol after 5 - 10 years... after effects nazar aajtay hain baray baray ragray gaye hain... India kia chez hey lol

I believe either vendor will agree to some sort of co-production agreement involving technology transfer to help India "stand up" an indigenous manufacturing capability once the number of aircraft researches a certain threshold. Sikorsky has done that with Turkey and Poland. India already makes parts for Sikorsky's S-92 aircraft, so some infrastructure is already in place. I would love to comment further but I don't speak the language being used.