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changing route could be a navigation failure. If transponder is deliberately turned off then it is a conspiracy.
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changing route could be a navigation failure. If transponder is deliberately turned off then it is a conspiracy.
True, but the thing is that they turned a perfect 90 degrees and flew for couple of hours before disappearing. If they had navigation failure, then they could have just used the manual compass, or contacted the ground control, rather they chose to turn and fly, and not to forget they also turned off the transponder which makes the entire thing very bizarre. Not to forget the information coming from Malaysian authority also seems pretty weird and shady.
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Agreed, Navigation is not a problem even if Nav. systems fail, they can use the compass. the only thing which confuses is the communication blackout and the transponder in engine kept pinging the british satellite for 7 hours after it officially got disappeared. Here one can say it could be some odd behavior of the flight.
They can avoid the radar detection in sea by flying really low but if they have landed somewhere, how did they avoid the detection in some mainland unless until they flew just below some other boeing 747 or 777 to disappear their signature on radar.
I am trying to understand that why can't the satellite pick up the signal from the engine anymore. The signal from the engine can't be disabled since it is automatic and is used by Boeing to keep the fleet upto date. So for it to stop functioning means that the plane landed and completely powered off or it crashed in which case the debris should be visible. But so far even after such extensive search no debris have been found which is very puzzling.
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if the engine is off, it will not transmit it. Every responsible person is making stories there. Either these guys know everything or they don't know anything. Just to answer the relatives they are making story. Most probably they have not found the aircraft due to bad search and rescue operation and tracing.
Only from this week, it has started.
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MISSING MH370: ‘Plane flew low to avoid radar’
MAS Airlines flight MH370 dropped to an altitude of 5,000 feet, or possibly lower, to defeat commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its Kuala Lumpur-Beijing route on March 8.
Investigators are poring over the Boeing 777-200ER’s flight profile to determine if it had flown low and used “terrain masking” during most of the eight hours it was missing from the radar coverage of possibly at least three countries.
Top officials, who make up the technical team that had been holed up from morning till late at night here, are looking at the possibility that the jetliner, carrying 239 people, had taken advantage of the busy airways over the Bay of Bengal. By sticking to commercial routes, the flight may not have raised the suspicion of those manning primary (military) radars of the nations it overflew. To them, MH370 would appear to be just another commercial aircraft on its way to its destination.
“The person who had control over the aircraft has a solid knowledge of avionics and navigation, and left a clean track. It passed low over Kelantan, that was true,” said officials.
“It’s possible that the aircraft had hugged the terrain in some areas, that are mountainous to avoid radar detection.”
This technique is called terrain masking and is used by military pilots to fly to their targets stealthily, using the topography to mask their approach from prying microwaves. This type of flying is considered very dangerous, especially in low-light conditions and spatial disorientation, and airsickness could easily set in. The stresses and loads it puts on the airframe, especially an airliner of the 777′s size, are tremendous.
“While the ongoing search is divided into two massive areas, the data that the investigating team is collating is leading us more towards the north,” sources said.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said the flight data showed that the plane’s last communication with the satellite, reported as Inmarsat, was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor, stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand; or a southern corridor, stretching roughly from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.
Sources close to the investigation by a multinational team told the New Straits Times that the probe would also focus on regions with disused airports equipped with long runways capable of handling “heavies” like the Triple Seven. If anything, the area investigators could be covering has been narrowed down to MH370′s eight hours of flight time, based on the jet’s fuel load.
This followed MAS’ confirmation of records that showed that the pilot had not made any amendments to the plane’s fuel requirements. It was enough to take it to Beijing, with a 45-minute reserve in case of diversion to an alternate field.
Investigators are also factoring in the extra fuel the aircraft would have burnt in the denser lower air if it had flown “down on the deck” for sustained periods. Pilots agree that MH370 would lose up to about two hours of fuel. Any erratic manoeuvres would have also eaten into the jet’s fuel reserves.
“Going by the hijacking theory, assuming it had landed, where would one hide a Boeing 777?” one said.
From about the time the aircraft made the turnback at waypoint Igari near the Vietnamese airspace, right up to the point where it left military primary radar coverage, six routine automated signals from the aircraft (known as electronic handshakes or “pings”) were registered on the Inmarsat satellite network.
The last confirmed handshake was at 8.11am on Saturday, which would indicate that the aircraft continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact was lost.
Sources also confirmed that the seventh handshake never came.
“The seventh signal was sent but there has been no feedback.
“There are two likely possibilities — either the plane landed somewhere and the engine was shut down or it crashed.”
Kuala Lumpur has officially approached countries, in hopes that they would openly share and review their radar and satellite data.
It has not gone unnoticed that crucial information had been leaked and appearing in the foreign media, quoting their respective governments’ sources. Such information, crucial to the search for the airplane, only came the Malaysian government’s way later.
Investigators are also calculating to determine how far the aircraft may have flown and the possible landing sites.
“As soon as the first country comes up with evidence of the flight’s position after its last confirmed position (320km northwest of Penang), we will be able to refine the search and better determine its possible location.”
Data harvested from Inmarsat was not able to do that as the static satellite could only detect the pings at a 40o angle.
Meanwhile, another highly-placed source told the NST that initial forensics checks on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s flight simulator showed that it was “clean”.
However, experts are probing deeper into the footprint of the homemade simulator, which he had at his home in Shah Alam.
The same source said investigators who had opened investigation papers into the case was looking at all the passengers’ backgrounds.
“The police, among others, are establishing their background and recent contacts.
“They are not leaving anything to chance and are even checking if any one of them had taken up any insurance policies recently.”
A source with Malaysia Airlines, meanwhile, confirmed that both pilots were on that plane as rostered.
They had not swapped flight schedules with anyone. MAS pilots get their rosters at the end of every month.
Foreign media reports quoting a source familiar with US assessments of Inmarsat “pings” said it looked like the plane turned south over the Indian Ocean, where it would presumably have run out of fuel and crashed.
“So, its location will be extremely difficult to pinpoint.
“Without further radar/satellite/eyewitness testimony, say experts, it is very much like looking for a needle in a haystack,” the reports said.
MISSING MH370: ‘Plane flew low to avoid radar’ | idrw.org
MAS Airlines flight MH370 dropped to an altitude of 5,000 feet, or possibly lower, to defeat commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its Kuala Lumpur-Beijing route on March 8.
Investigators are poring over the Boeing 777-200ER’s flight profile to determine if it had flown low and used “terrain masking” during most of the eight hours it was missing from the radar coverage of possibly at least three countries.
Top officials, who make up the technical team that had been holed up from morning till late at night here, are looking at the possibility that the jetliner, carrying 239 people, had taken advantage of the busy airways over the Bay of Bengal. By sticking to commercial routes, the flight may not have raised the suspicion of those manning primary (military) radars of the nations it overflew. To them, MH370 would appear to be just another commercial aircraft on its way to its destination.
“The person who had control over the aircraft has a solid knowledge of avionics and navigation, and left a clean track. It passed low over Kelantan, that was true,” said officials.
“It’s possible that the aircraft had hugged the terrain in some areas, that are mountainous to avoid radar detection.”
This technique is called terrain masking and is used by military pilots to fly to their targets stealthily, using the topography to mask their approach from prying microwaves. This type of flying is considered very dangerous, especially in low-light conditions and spatial disorientation, and airsickness could easily set in. The stresses and loads it puts on the airframe, especially an airliner of the 777′s size, are tremendous.
“While the ongoing search is divided into two massive areas, the data that the investigating team is collating is leading us more towards the north,” sources said.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said the flight data showed that the plane’s last communication with the satellite, reported as Inmarsat, was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor, stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand; or a southern corridor, stretching roughly from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.
Sources close to the investigation by a multinational team told the New Straits Times that the probe would also focus on regions with disused airports equipped with long runways capable of handling “heavies” like the Triple Seven. If anything, the area investigators could be covering has been narrowed down to MH370′s eight hours of flight time, based on the jet’s fuel load.
This followed MAS’ confirmation of records that showed that the pilot had not made any amendments to the plane’s fuel requirements. It was enough to take it to Beijing, with a 45-minute reserve in case of diversion to an alternate field.
Investigators are also factoring in the extra fuel the aircraft would have burnt in the denser lower air if it had flown “down on the deck” for sustained periods. Pilots agree that MH370 would lose up to about two hours of fuel. Any erratic manoeuvres would have also eaten into the jet’s fuel reserves.
“Going by the hijacking theory, assuming it had landed, where would one hide a Boeing 777?” one said.
From about the time the aircraft made the turnback at waypoint Igari near the Vietnamese airspace, right up to the point where it left military primary radar coverage, six routine automated signals from the aircraft (known as electronic handshakes or “pings”) were registered on the Inmarsat satellite network.
The last confirmed handshake was at 8.11am on Saturday, which would indicate that the aircraft continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact was lost.
Sources also confirmed that the seventh handshake never came.
“The seventh signal was sent but there has been no feedback.
“There are two likely possibilities — either the plane landed somewhere and the engine was shut down or it crashed.”
Kuala Lumpur has officially approached countries, in hopes that they would openly share and review their radar and satellite data.
It has not gone unnoticed that crucial information had been leaked and appearing in the foreign media, quoting their respective governments’ sources. Such information, crucial to the search for the airplane, only came the Malaysian government’s way later.
Investigators are also calculating to determine how far the aircraft may have flown and the possible landing sites.
“As soon as the first country comes up with evidence of the flight’s position after its last confirmed position (320km northwest of Penang), we will be able to refine the search and better determine its possible location.”
Data harvested from Inmarsat was not able to do that as the static satellite could only detect the pings at a 40o angle.
Meanwhile, another highly-placed source told the NST that initial forensics checks on Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s flight simulator showed that it was “clean”.
However, experts are probing deeper into the footprint of the homemade simulator, which he had at his home in Shah Alam.
The same source said investigators who had opened investigation papers into the case was looking at all the passengers’ backgrounds.
“The police, among others, are establishing their background and recent contacts.
“They are not leaving anything to chance and are even checking if any one of them had taken up any insurance policies recently.”
A source with Malaysia Airlines, meanwhile, confirmed that both pilots were on that plane as rostered.
They had not swapped flight schedules with anyone. MAS pilots get their rosters at the end of every month.
Foreign media reports quoting a source familiar with US assessments of Inmarsat “pings” said it looked like the plane turned south over the Indian Ocean, where it would presumably have run out of fuel and crashed.
“So, its location will be extremely difficult to pinpoint.
“Without further radar/satellite/eyewitness testimony, say experts, it is very much like looking for a needle in a haystack,” the reports said.
MISSING MH370: ‘Plane flew low to avoid radar’ | idrw.org
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Malaysia Plane May Have Flown Into Radar Black Hole — Indian Military
Was the hijacker of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 able to escape detection by flying into a part of the Indian Ocean that isn’t covered by radar? That’s the question being investigated after a senior official in the Indian military revealed that they only sparingly check the radar systems in that area.
Initially it seemed impossible that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777 carrying 239 people, could have disappeared without anyone noticing, but it turns out this modern age of surveillance isn’t as constant as we thought. On March 17, an Indian official admitted that they rarely monitor the radar systems that Flight 370 likely passed through.
One of two proposed flight paths the disappeared plane could have taken extends from Indonesia to the Indian Ocean. If Flight 370 did fly through this area, then there’s a good chance that Indian radar systems didn’t even pick it up, a senior military official told CNN.
The official revealed that the radar systems covering the Andaman and Nicobar Islands aren’t as closely watched by the Indian military as others. That leaves open the possibility that the systems did not notice the plane as it crossed through the area. If Flight 370 flew along that proposed southern corridor, then there’s a good chance that it did so through this “black hole” in the Indian Ocean.
The possibility that Indian radar systems missed Flight 370 is frightening, because if they had picked up any sign of the jet, the plane’s flight path, timetable, and search area could be so much more focused.
Malaysia Flight: How Did It Go Missing?
Unfortunately, what was really a perfect storm of circumstances allowed this Boeing 777 to vanish into thin air.
Besides a black hole in radar monitoring, the plane may have also dropped its altitude to a meager 5,000 ft. in order to avoid any further detection.
The aircraft’s communication devices were reportedly also disabled at the perfect moment to ensure that the shutdown would go temporarily undetected. The plane’s transponder and date transmitting system were turned off as Flight 370 crossed the air traffic border between Malaysia and Vietnam. “He found the perfect moment when he wasn’t in control by Malaysia or Vietnam,” Mikael Robertsson, founder of Flightradar24, told the New York Times. “He was, like, in no-man’s country.”
The search for Flight 370 continues, but authorities are obviously at more of a disadvantage as time goes on.
Malaysia Plane May Have Flown Into Radar Black Hole — Indian Military | idrw.org
Was the hijacker of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 able to escape detection by flying into a part of the Indian Ocean that isn’t covered by radar? That’s the question being investigated after a senior official in the Indian military revealed that they only sparingly check the radar systems in that area.
Initially it seemed impossible that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777 carrying 239 people, could have disappeared without anyone noticing, but it turns out this modern age of surveillance isn’t as constant as we thought. On March 17, an Indian official admitted that they rarely monitor the radar systems that Flight 370 likely passed through.
One of two proposed flight paths the disappeared plane could have taken extends from Indonesia to the Indian Ocean. If Flight 370 did fly through this area, then there’s a good chance that Indian radar systems didn’t even pick it up, a senior military official told CNN.
The official revealed that the radar systems covering the Andaman and Nicobar Islands aren’t as closely watched by the Indian military as others. That leaves open the possibility that the systems did not notice the plane as it crossed through the area. If Flight 370 flew along that proposed southern corridor, then there’s a good chance that it did so through this “black hole” in the Indian Ocean.
The possibility that Indian radar systems missed Flight 370 is frightening, because if they had picked up any sign of the jet, the plane’s flight path, timetable, and search area could be so much more focused.
Malaysia Flight: How Did It Go Missing?
Unfortunately, what was really a perfect storm of circumstances allowed this Boeing 777 to vanish into thin air.
Besides a black hole in radar monitoring, the plane may have also dropped its altitude to a meager 5,000 ft. in order to avoid any further detection.
The aircraft’s communication devices were reportedly also disabled at the perfect moment to ensure that the shutdown would go temporarily undetected. The plane’s transponder and date transmitting system were turned off as Flight 370 crossed the air traffic border between Malaysia and Vietnam. “He found the perfect moment when he wasn’t in control by Malaysia or Vietnam,” Mikael Robertsson, founder of Flightradar24, told the New York Times. “He was, like, in no-man’s country.”
The search for Flight 370 continues, but authorities are obviously at more of a disadvantage as time goes on.
Malaysia Plane May Have Flown Into Radar Black Hole — Indian Military | idrw.org
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