Indian naval fleet docks at Iran’s Bandar Abbas port

[ayesha.a]

Are you someone high up in Indian establishment that would know India was not dying to provide its bases?

Aha! So when I ask you how you know India was "dying to offer bases" to USA, you ask me how I know it wasn't? Ever heard something about the burden of proof? You made the ridiculous claim, it is upto you to substantiate it; not upto me to disprove it.

You said that India was dying to offer bases to the USA. (And I suppose, was turned down.)

You give me any public source for that nonsense, or take back your claim - if you have any integrity, that is.

 

[FULL_METAL]

I am quoting you as you mentioned Shias of kashmir. while in kargil and ladakh they hate pakistan to their core.That is fact and its was only them who informed pak intruders during kargil war and 1965.last year apart from enrolling in jk light infantry.last they openly burned the flag of pakistan as protest against shia killing especially shikarpur mosque bombing .... infact they have more soft heart for iran than pakistan.

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Good find matey, didn't know Iran has that much influence in Shia dominated areas of Kashmir, power to them as long they keep the wahabis at bay

 

[ayesha.a]

Article 3 In consideration of the transfer made to him and his heirs by the provisions of the foregoing article Maharajah Gulab Singh will pay to the British Government the sum of seventy-five lakhs of rupees (Nanukshahee), fifty lakhs to be paid on or before the 1st October of the current year, A.D., 1846.
Treaty of Amritsar, 1846 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What has the treaty of Amritsar, 1846, got to do with my point, which was about events in 1947-48?

Maharjas army was very superior to newly formed Azad Kashmir regular Foces.

Bwahahaha. The Maharajah of Kashmir did not even have an army - he only had lightly armed police forces. That is why Pakhtun lashkars and Pakistani armymen in mufti quickly overran them, and he was forced to ask India's help.

Can you substantiate your assertion that the Maharajah had an "army" that was superior to the British trained Pak army? Or will you, like @Color_Less_Sky, ask me to disprove your assertion, instead of proving it yourself?

A person in my avatar personally captured entire rawalakot with handful men.

Maybe so; there have been heroic acts from small units or individual commanders in most wars, from Pakistanis or Indians. Who is the person?

A question is when indain army got controlled srinagar and major part of Kashmir then why they didn't tried to recapture Azad kashmir and GB?

Good question, one which many Indians have been angry about since then. Nehru, against the advice of the military and his own cabinet colleagues, decided to make a ceasefire and to take the case to the UN. The military was aghast because they had the momentum on their side, and the tide of war was well and truly in their favor.

I am critical of India's actions from that point on. India should either have continued the war and captured the rest of Kashmir, or alternatively, having taken it to the UN for mediation, should have worked with Pakistan for a quick referendum. Neither India nor Pakistan took the steps necessary for a referendum, after mutually agreeing to a UN mediation.

That was a tardy sequence of actions, I'll admit. The mistake of taking it to the UN was Nehru's; not conducting the UN mandated referendum was India's and Pakistan's mistake.

 

[Mike_Brando]

I think he is an IRGC special force member.

Sorry to disagree with you bro but i think that the person is an Indian Navy sailor and a part of the local VBSS team.If you observe carefully then you'll the words "Indian Navy" written on his kevlar vest.

 

[Psychic]

If it was only an "alleged" base, how was it vacated? Or was the vacating also an "allegation"?

Base was not alledged, drone attacks originating from it were alledged.

One base (Shamsi AFB) was vacated after the US army massacred 24 Pakistani armymen. As long as they were killing only Pakistani civilians, they were welcome to stay. That says a lot about your lack of self respect.

As I have said earlier, attacks originating from it were alledged. Plus many drone attacks were carried out against high ranking AQ people with the help and involvment of Pakistani security agencies. That is how allies work.
The problem with Indians is that when we kill terrorists they have a problem, when we don't they have a problem.

who were Pakistan's best friends prior to 9/11.

Better than India's best friends prior to 9/11.

Besides, you missed the point of the post. The point was that Iran hosting Indian warship for a port call is a far cry from Pakistan hosting American military bases for war. And yet, your countryman was chiding Iran for inviting your enemy for a port call, when you have hosted Iran's enemies for years, not just for port calls, but for full fledged and operational military bases.

It is you who has missed your own point.
Iran and USA had mutual interests in both Iraq and Afghanistan. (Partners in crime). Why would Iran protest against US bases in Pakistan which in turn guarantee the protection of Iran's interests in Afghanistan.

 

[The Vicious Kind]

You know pakistan-india relations are a real low, when a Iranian thread is turned into a flame war.

 

[I.R.A]

Aha! So when I ask you how you know India was "dying to offer bases" to USA, you ask me how I know it wasn't? Ever heard something about the burden of proof? You made the ridiculous claim, it is upto you to substantiate it; not upto me to disprove it.

You said that India was dying to offer bases to the USA. (And I suppose, was turned down.)

You give me any public source for that nonsense, or take back your claim - if you have any integrity, that is.

Well here is the thing. 9/11 happens and US goes all for revenge, there are many important nations who need convincing for invasion and then there are many important personalities who would affect the decisions, one of those nations is Pakistan and one of those personalities happened to be Musharraf, COAS and President of his country. He needs to take a decisions a well informed decision and he takes one. Now youtube him or something and see if you could find something that will educate you about what he took into consideration before deciding to lend the bases. And please don't expect me or yourself or any news paper to be more well informed then that guy Musharaf.

And raising questions at my integrity , if you had common sense you would not have asked about my integrity, you would have understood that if Pakistan had refused the support and bases, then where would have US looked for those to teach Pakistan a lesson and to send it back to stone age. Till you figure this out from this thread.

 

[Burhan Wani]

What has the treaty of Amritsar, 1846, got to do with my point, which was about events in 1947-48?


Bwahahaha. The Maharajah of Kashmir did not even have an army - he only had lightly armed police forces. That is why Pakhtun lashkars and Pakistani armymen in mufti quickly overran them, and he was forced to ask India's help.

Can you substantiate your assertion that the Maharajah had an "army" that was superior to the British trained Pak army? Or will you, like @Color_Less_Sky, ask me to disprove your assertion, instead of proving it yourself?




Maybe so; there have been heroic acts from small units or individual commanders in most wars, from Pakistanis or Indians. Who is the person?



Good question, one which many Indians have been angry about since then. Nehru, against the advice of the military and his own cabinet colleagues, decided to make a ceasefire and to take the case to the UN. The military was aghast because they had the momentum on their side, and the tide of war was well and truly in their favor.

I am critical of India's actions from that point on. India should either have continued the war and captured the rest of Kashmir, or alternatively, having taken it to the UN for mediation, should have worked with Pakistan for a quick referendum. Neither India nor Pakistan took the steps necessary for a referendum, after mutually agreeing to a UN mediation.

That was a tardy sequence of actions, I'll admit. The mistake of taking it to the UN was Nehru's; not conducting the UN mandated referendum was India's and Pakistan's mistake.

Dogra army = Dogra Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dogra General = Hari Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I told you you are unaware of history.
We still have arms and ammunition belongs to Dogra Army in museum.
Lashkars and Pakistan army was involved in year 1948.
In Ocober 1947 AKRF liberated AJK before their arrival and for your infromation AKRF consists of ex british army officers and jawans veterans of WW1 and WW2.

 

[Psychic]

No - America was fighting proxy wars with the Soviet Union during the cold war. You were simply supplying cannon fodder on behalf of USA.

For your kind information, US was convinced by Pakistan a year after the Soviet invasion that the bear can be trapped. Pakistan was involved in Afghanistan since 1975....way before US had any interest in the region. When 9th division entered Afghanistan, US never thought of waging a proxy war against them.
We had our own reasons to engage Soviets. We waged a proxy war against USSR for 2 years without CIA before Charlie Wilson jumped in and lobbied for supporting Afghans. Study something before going on a Pakistan bashing spree.

 

[ayesha.a]

Base was not alledged, drone attacks originating from it were alledged.

OK, so the US troops must have been there on vacation. Not to participate in the war in the Af-Pak region, but just to chill and enjoy life in the Washuk district in balochistan that is famous for being a "party city", and the entertainment capital of the world.

As I have said earlier, attacks originating from it were alledged. Plus many drone attacks were carried out against high ranking AQ people with the help and involvment of Pakistani security agencies. That is how allies work.
The problem with Indians is that when we kill terrorists they have a problem, when we don't they have a problem.

I'll repeat, for the last time, the point of this section. Your countryman was chiding Iranians for inviting your enemies for a port call. Pakistan has done a lot more than that, hosting active military units of the USAF and US army in Balochistan, right next to Iran, when Iran and USA were/are sworn enemies. It is this hypocrisy that is the point.

Better than India's best friends prior to 9/11.

Specific examples would be helpful. Pakistan was one of only 3 countries to recognize and support the evil Taliban regime in Afghanistan. They were more evil and barbaric than any entity India has ever supported, before or after 9/11.

It is you who has missed your own point.
Iran and USA had mutual interests in both Iraq and Afghanistan. (Partners in crime). Why would Iran protest against US bases in Pakistan which in turn guarantee the protection of Iran's interests in Afghanistan.

When Iran was at war with Iraq, US was fully supporting Iraq. The famous picture of Rumsfield hugging Saddam comes to mind. When USA invaded Iraq, it was Iran sponsored militias that gave the US a hard time, after the fall of Saddam's regime. The IRGC was the biggest thorn for the USA, actively helping insurgents. So no, they were not "partners in crime" at that point.

Iran definitely benefited from the US toppling of Saddam. But after that, the whole insurgency was almost a proxy war between Iran and USA.

BTW the airbases in Pakistan played no part in the Iraq conflict, so that is a complete irrelevancy. Sure, Iran was against the Taliban in Afghanistan, but so was the entire civilized world. As noted before, Pakistan was one of the precious few to support those barbarians.

 

[danger007]

Your countryman came to take a piss in this thread. I just responded to his BS and it seems that my factual response is the cause of your pain and agony.
My post however was none of your concern. And as for rest of your retarded post, I can give a jaw breaking response to it but that will further derail the thread so I would refrain from doing so. Whatever Pakistanis are, they are enough to turn the likes of you into mince meat.
Now instead of doing more bakwas, you better shut up and crawl back to your Indian section and worship your stupid Modi.

may be your a $$ under fire after my post... read the thread title. .. who started derailing thread... does the thread got anything to do with pakstan and kashmir? ??? you should STFU.... lolz there should be limit for idiocy. . you know i don't like to respond to Idiots but what to do... you are forcing me to respond...

 

[Psychic]

Everything appears yellow to a jaundiced eye. Yes it does.

Lady ask your Iranian friends here if they would not want those killed in drone strikes dead too. And for goodness sake take one side don't act baniya all the time, either you support terrorists and bash Pakistan or you condemn terrorists and accept Pakistan has played the leading role in WOT and hence your whole argument is flawed. i.e. "US bombing Pakistanis inside Pakistan", there are lots of things in Pakistan US relationship which are beyond you, you cannot understand because you don't have what it takes to understand that.

Are you someone high up in Indian establishment that would know India was not dying to provide its bases? If you were up to date with the geopolitics you would have known that someone, a key decision maker, someone who played an important role in all this post 9/11 scenario based his decision because you were all for lending the support in your love for Pakistan, but you choose to remain ignorant and ask me for links and that too of Indian newspapers what a joke.

And let me tell you one thing very clearly, if they wanted your bases you would have given them, whether you liked it or not, but the thing is you don't enjoy a strategic position and location on map, in important geo strategic games you were always second to Pakistan in terms of location and you will remain so, and may be that is one key reason for you going to Ummah all over the globe to conspire against a Muslim country

It is their holy duty to bash Pakistan. We played a leading role against AQ with our allies and they are giving us lessons of self respect. Had we refused lending bases to Americans, we would be terror supporters.
Indians will never be happy with us unless we hand them over entire Pakistan, so our agencies must support every millitant organization in India and erase Indian face from our backyard(Afghanistan) without any mercy and let them whine how we are evil and so and so...

 

[ayesha.a]

Well here is the thing. 9/11 happens and US goes all for revenge, there are many important nations who need convincing for invasion and then there are many important personalities who would affect the decisions, one of those nations is Pakistan and one of those personalities happened to be Musharraf, COAS and President of his country. He needs to take a decisions a well informed decision and he takes one. Now youtube him or something and see if you could find something that will educate you about what he took into consideration before deciding to lend the bases. And please don't expect me or yourself or any news paper to be more well informed then that guy Musharaf.

And raising questions at my integrity , if you had common sense you would not have asked about my integrity, you would have understood that if Pakistan had refused the support and bases, then where would have US looked for those to teach Pakistan a lesson and to send it back to stone age. Till you figure this out from this thread.

You think US needs land bases to send Pakistan to the stone age? One aircraft carrier battle group can destroy Pakistan - and USA can deploy at least three on short notice in the IOR. The US can destroy any country with or without land bases. Heck, forget even their CBGs and MEFs - just their ICBMs launched from US soil can destroy Pakistan several times over. (And that is not unique to Pakistan, they can do that to most countries.)

At this point, you might want to admit that your statements were baseless, that India was "dying to provide" them with bases. Your hypotheticals about "where would the US have looked" if Pak refused and so on are...hypotheticals. Yes, your integrity is questionable if you cannot admit that you cannot back up your claim.

Your claim was nonsensical. Your skirting around it instead of admitting it, smacks of lack of integrity.

 

[Psychic]

may be your a $$ under fire after my post... read the thread title. .. who started derailing thread... does the thread got anything to do with pakstan and kashmir? ??? you should STFU.... lolz there should be limit for idiocy. . you know i don't like to respond to Idiots but what to do... you are forcing me to respond...

Piss off! I didn't even read your bakwas.

 

[Mike_Brando]

@Serpentine sir please close this thread and clean it off.It's my humble request to you as this beautiful thread has been turned into a meaningless troll paradise by some PDF members