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Indian Muslims should learn something from African Americans

I only see RSS/BJP craving for a Hindu Rashtra- So who is putting religion before the nation- Its crystal clear.
Thank you.

If there were more like you, Hindutva can still be defeated.

The Hindu gang, please learn from this gentleman. It does not take much to grow a heart.

But no, it did not start with the Ram Janmabhoomi movement.

But it is a classic example. If Hindus could simply let go of their hate, the destruction of the mosque would not have happened. We would have celebrated the secular nature of India in front of the Babri Masjid.

But no. Old useless buildings will be reborn as temples to Gods that were born to satiate Hindu society's bloodlust.

Ram Janambhumi is not useless. It is matter of faith and pride for Hindus but you will never understand.

Do you know it was a 150+ years court case. If Muslims had vacated the site Hindus would have given them land elsewhere. This is what finally happened in November 2019
The faith and pride of Hindus lie in killing Muslims and destroying Islamic architecture. We know that. You know that.
 
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I (speaking only for myself) have invested some time to listen to those that have come from the ground situation...but most do not do that...or even attempt it....and rely on every vanilla media ivory tower narrative exclusively that filters neatly through the emotional interior....rather than try move an iota outside of that or what real world perspectives and angst are.....that need respect and appreciation for real world solutions.
Is it not strawmanning? Or overtly relying on anecdotal evidence?
I have made my peace with this delusional permanence in the human condition and psyche at large.
This statement reeks of moral nihilism albeit selectively, come on, you still chose a side.
 
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This long post applies on both sides. You don't like being put in a box and so you challenge the other and lash out. You also forget that you have put the other side in a box and they can also challenge you.

Putting people in boxes because of difference in perception and values is natural.

You should read my post again...closely and carefully.
 
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Its been few days already, have they learned anything yet or their classes are locked down due to corona?
 
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Is it not strawmanning? Or overtly relying on anecdotal evidence?

This statement reeks of moral nihilism albeit selectively, come on, you still chose a side.

Young friend, I dont treat people credibly (past a point) that make common cause with all kind of clear enemies here...simply because some item checklist is ticked temporarily among whichever crew/coterie here for feeling good. What the larger entity (the crew/coterie are from) does and responds as an entire nation, on its own setup and volition, and full evidence for people to see, read and learn from....means greatly to me.

That too after they take refuge in places that face the same issues as India because of diversity of identities and histories, something that clearly marks things out to be a greater human condition globally....but strangely dont call that out in similar vein and intensity. It means to me they have marked something intrinsic to spew on my beloved India selectively...I dont tolerate that past a point.

It is simply how I choose to look at people with what they have displayed thus far, I accept I can be wrong in the end...I am only one imperfect individual, out of billions on this rock.

But I am sick of people that want everyone to tick A B C D...up to Z or go for more than that and whatever other item agendas before they give you a stamp of approval/ally. All kind of sides have done this to me, in here and out there...I don't really care much about it anymore, I just say what I'm gonna say...I don't care about approval for its my time to give and my attention to give.

Then if you are not an ally, the insinuate you are part of the enemy side. I'm done meeting or even attempting the purity tests (mostly in interest of time and from experience here). There is one country going to extent naming itself on basis of "purity" and exceptionalism in the region....you can see what it does to its psyche yourself (all kind of revisionism, justification, identity confusion, irredentism you name it).

But when certain people clamour and blab "they will sympathise with us more than you ever will" through this A B C D checklist they have developed I will simply refer them back to the "they"....Did their (not small, majority by population actually) breakaway wing (due to extreme violent bullying and targetting of first the minority which then metastasized to overt racial/ethnic driven takfiri concept to the majority at immense intense scale that make all the incidents cherrypicked by certain folks here seem like walk in the park picnic) chose to stick with the same naming pattern, or reduce itself to something more fair/stoic like rest of the world? Why did it do so? Would and should it all influence how you go about making some position here if you invest time?

In the western world, would Germany be a credible country today on just about any enlightened matter today if the allies (both democratic side and commie side) stopped at its borders, left its Nazi regime to sort itself out internally over time... given what the regime did to innocent people at scale wherever it spread to and took control of? Would anyone (even if not jewish) complaining about mistreatment and issues (in their own countries) make a clarion call towards people from such a place? Simple question. I wouldn't....I suspect most wouldn't. Most people intrinsically get this....there will be some that have desperation or agenda or whatever...that don't....I simply don't given them any more time after I determine that's where they are and what their little charade game/stunt/time-pass/outlet is.

You can apply the correlations to subcontinent yourself. What was the strength of the de-nazification and effect of the nuremberg trials downstream? Is there a clear fauj-cabal allowed to persist untouched and unvarnished somewhere in the subcontinent because of nothing similar done? To what level and degree? So what is the credible way to make common cause with people from the place? Call out none of their faults and simply latch on to whatever they nod eagerly and jeeringly for yours? After what they did and still justify and tolerate running their affairs at highest level? I don't think so. If others do, thats on them.

Why do I care to respond to you though...at this length? Well, you are one that calls them out on it and deeply. You call all our sides out too....you have consistent platform overall, I hope you keep on it....for I can see (yes I do observe even if I do not reply) you have a deep love for my nation Bharat and you make your stand in it (as do the large majority of Indians, whatever their faith) rather than only rip at it only and selectively and near exclusively join in rip fests foreign enemy hypocrite brigade-mobs do here. I grow tired of all these people ....if they want to interact with me in good and fair faith, they best develop a good and fair faith approach to everyone first.

I dont have much sympathy for that stuff anymore, my empathy also declines as time goes on....I would have to know the person personally to bridge past that. This forum is not so great for it...as simply I have just a set of words I have to determine a person's character and apply it equally to all...and take everyone at their word most I can.

As to what you have labelled what I posted....well I am talking of what is not under my control....the only thing I am truly in control of are my mind, body and soul... though maybe the last one belongs in the end to the highest realm and I own only the first 2. I simply observe and comment on what is not under my control and I am not accountable for. Do I like it that way? Nope. But it is what it is. Its not a completely forlorn thing to talk about the black and white theories in a world of grey...but we must in the end realise the limits to it too...especially if we are rational and find ourselves being pulled emotionally to a black/white absolute....and even substitute it as some complete reality. It will just sap you...and if it doesn't sap you, I only fear what you will then become.
 
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Young friend, I dont treat people credibly (past a point) that make common cause with all kind of clear enemies here...simply because some item checklist is ticked temporarily among whichever crew/coterie here for feeling good. What the larger entity (the crew/coterie are from) does and responds as an entire nation, on its own setup and volition, and full evidence for people to see, read and learn from....means greatly to me.

That too after they take refuge in places that face the same issues as India because of diversity of identities and histories, something that clearly marks things out to be a greater human condition globally....but strangely dont call that out in similar vein and intensity. It means to me they have marked something intrinsic to spew on my beloved India selectively...I dont tolerate that past a point.

It is simply how I choose to look at people with what they have displayed thus far, I accept I can be wrong in the end...I am only one imperfect individual, out of billions on this rock.

But I am sick of people that want everyone to tick A B C D...up to Z or go for more than that and whatever other item agendas before they give you a stamp of approval/ally. All kind of sides have done this to me, in here and out there...I don't really care much about it anymore, I just say what I'm gonna say...I don't care about approval for its my time to give and my attention to give.

Then if you are not an ally, the insinuate you are part of the enemy side. I'm done meeting or even attempting the purity tests (mostly in interest of time and from experience here). There is one country going to extent naming itself on basis of "purity" and exceptionalism in the region....you can see what it does to its psyche yourself (all kind of revisionism, justification, identity confusion, irredentism you name it).

But when certain people clamour and blab "they will sympathise with us more than you ever will" through this A B C D checklist they have developed I will simply refer them back to the "they"....Did their (not small, majority by population actually) breakaway wing (due to extreme violent bullying and targetting of first the minority which then metastasized to overt racial/ethnic driven takfiri concept to the majority at immense intense scale that make all the incidents cherrypicked by certain folks here seem like walk in the park picnic) chose to stick with the same naming pattern, or reduce itself to something more fair/stoic like rest of the world? Why did it do so? Would and should it all influence how you go about making some position here if you invest time?

In the western world, would Germany be a credible country today on just about any enlightened matter today if the allies (both democratic side and commie side) stopped at its borders, left its Nazi regime to sort itself out internally over time... given what the regime did to innocent people at scale wherever it spread to and took control of? Would anyone (even if not jewish) complaining about mistreatment and issues (in their own countries) make a clarion call towards people from such a place? Simple question. I wouldn't....I suspect most wouldn't. Most people intrinsically get this....there will be some that have desperation or agenda or whatever...that don't....I simply don't given them any more time after I determine that's where they are and what their little charade game/stunt/time-pass/outlet is.

You can apply the correlations to subcontinent yourself. What was the strength of the de-nazification and effect of the nuremberg trials downstream? Is there a clear fauj-cabal allowed to persist untouched and unvarnished somewhere in the subcontinent because of nothing similar done? To what level and degree? So what is the credible way to make common cause with people from the place? Call out none of their faults and simply latch on to whatever they nod eagerly and jeeringly for yours? After what they did and still justify and tolerate running their affairs at highest level? I don't think so. If others do, thats on them.

Why do I care to respond to you though...at this length? Well, you are one that calls them out on it and deeply. You call all our sides out too....you have consistent platform overall, I hope you keep on it....for I can see (yes I do observe even if I do not reply) you have a deep love for my nation Bharat and you make your stand in it (as do the large majority of Indians, whatever their faith) rather than only rip at it only and selectively and near exclusively join in rip fests foreign enemy hypocrite brigade-mobs do here. I grow tired of all these people ....if they want to interact with me in good and fair faith, they best develop a good and fair faith approach to everyone first.

I dont have much sympathy for that stuff anymore, my empathy also declines as time goes on....I would have to know the person personally to bridge past that. This forum is not so great for it...as simply I have just a set of words I have to determine a person's character and apply it equally to all...and take everyone at their word most I can.

As to what you have labelled what I posted....well I am talking of what is not under my control....the only thing I am truly in control of are my mind, body and soul... though maybe the last one belongs in the end to the highest realm and I own only the first 2. I simply observe and comment on what is not under my control and I am not accountable for. Do I like it that way? Nope. But it is what it is. Its not a completely forlorn thing to talk about the black and white theories in a world of grey...but we must in the end realise the limits to it too...especially if we are rational and find ourselves being pulled emotionally to a black/white absolute....and even substitute it as some complete reality. It will just sap you...and if it doesn't sap you, I only fear what you will then become.
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An awful lot of verbose words but makes no sense.
 
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That is true of the middle class which I said in another thread and @Cliftonite will recall, is a apathetic community. They seem content with feeding stray dogs, joining engineering colleges, doing jobs, getting married, bearing kids and indulging in religious rituals.

But some of the poor, the Dalits and the tribals have been active, either by forming groups like the Bhim Army or joining the Naxal movement. It is not for nothing that the Naxals released a "Chalo Dilli" audio message some years ago ( to engage more the minds of the urban Indians ). It is not for nothing that the Indian Establishment is not ignoring the Naxals.
 
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It was wrong of him to use such words.

One of the commentors said "Send him to jail" for that so I wish to ask this particular commentor about BJP's Bangalore MP, Tejasvi Surya, who in 2015 had said a vile thing about Arab women in his now deleted tweet and some months ago was correctly castigated for it by Arabs and others.
 
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It was wrong of him to use such words.

One of the commentors said "Send him to jail" for that so I wish to ask this particular commentor about BJP's Bangalore MP, Tejasvi Surya, who in 2015 had said a vile thing about Arab women in his now deleted tweet and some months ago was correctly castigated for it by Arabs and others.
Tejasvi Surya was quoting a Pakistani called Tarek Fateh
 
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He's not a Pakistani. He says himself he's an Indian born in Pakistan. Keep your trash bag in your own house.
He may be against Pakistan and pro India but he is a Pakistani Canadian, just like Arundhati Roy is totally against India but is still unfortunately an Indian
 
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