Indian Muslims should learn something from African Americans

[AfrazulMandal]

Good luck getting that. You'll get it by 2200 hopefully. India is leaking like a sinking ship. Kashmir on one side, China's invasion on the other. Migrant crisis as it is. Now is the time for all oppressed parties to come together and do something.

nothing like that is gonna happen.

Sorry.

Maharashtrian and Bengali Muslims are not able to get along well enough, so coming to a single state and becoming a majority is also utopian.

Kashmir has been like this since ... forever. Nothing new.

The only option remains an external stimulus. Otherwise the status quo is not going to change.

Also, I don't believe the Hindu society can be divided along caste lines any longer. That boat has sailed. Had it been Brahmin led, there was a chance. Now it is led by a coaltion of all - with a single goal of a Hindurashtra.

Like I said, only an external force can help our liberation.

the comparison with Afro americans is also not apt here. We were never slaves. Our condition has worsened since a 18th-19th centuries. Theirs has seen a continuous improvement. Plus, we have no meaningful allies (and will never get them from non Muslim communities).

 

[CrazyZ]

Green lives matter!!!!

In general Indians aspire to be like Americans. Minorities should riot.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Trying to have as many kids as we can. I am doing my part

This can help. But it can be difficult on the household.

Plus, i don't see me allow my kids to grow up with the Hindutva folk back home anyway.

the reason being the situation aren't comparable at all, there's no black majority state in USA which demands separatism neither there have been a partition by blacks in history.

You should not blame Muslims for this. My 2 cents.

 

[Jugger]

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Why go that far..? Just look at our neighbourhood, learn how the oppressed and Exploited Bangladeshis overthrew the Pakistani govt and became independent country of Bangladesh.
Although there is a stark difference, India has not yet reached the level of oppression of Pakistani state in 1971.

If we do reach that level, then I don’t mind whatever happens to the Indian union.

 

[Naofumi]

You should not blame Muslims for this. My 2 cents.

There was an element of Islamism, you can't deny that. The Muslim league shouldn't have formed in the first place, imho.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

There was an element of Islamism, you can't deny that. The Muslim league shouldn't have formed in the first place, imho.

Yeah, Muslims should become Hindus.

This way they will prosper (in this world), no doubt.

 

[jamahir]

You need to realize no revolution will ever happen in India. Indians by and large are a meek society.

That is true of the middle class which I said in another thread and @Cliftonite will recall, is a apathetic community. They seem content with feeding stray dogs, joining engineering colleges, doing jobs, getting married, bearing kids and indulging in religious rituals.

But some of the poor, the Dalits and the tribals have been active, either by forming groups like the Bhim Army or joining the Naxal movement. It is not for nothing that the Naxals released a "Chalo Dilli" audio message some years ago ( to engage more the minds of the urban Indians ). It is not for nothing that the Indian Establishment is not ignoring the Naxals.

 

[Naofumi]

Yeah, Muslims should become Hindus.

This way they will prosper (in this world), no doubt.

Secularism is the way, no one should become Hindu neither the opposite. Religion is a personal entity and it should be kept that way - inside your home only.

 

[CrazyZ]

Secularism is the way, no one should become Hindu neither the opposite. Religion is a personal entity and it should be kept that way - inside your home only.

Hindu mobs in Delhi destroyed property based only on the name of the owner. Even if your a secular Muslim.....you can not hide your last name or backround.

India's wealth inequality is higher then the USA's by far. It is not unforeseeable that a radical left emerges in India as in the USA. Most of the extreme protestors in the USA....are probably atheists from the left.

 

[Cliftonite]

There was an element of Islamism, you can't deny that. The Muslim league shouldn't have formed in the first place, imho.

You might as well say that the first Muslim inavder should have not come to India. That is where the Hindu's inferiority complex stems from. That their ficitonal hypothetical Bharat mayya was stripped and used by Muslims for 1000 years.

Secularism is the way, no one should become Hindu neither the opposite. Religion is a personal entity and it should be kept that way - inside your home only.

You know how secular I am. But no amount of secularism can help Muslims of India. The Indians are a very dil mein bhughz rakhne walay people and in case of any calamity you guys will be the first scapegoat. Blaming Muslims has and will always be the Indian national narrative.

 

[Naofumi]

That is true of the middle class which I said in another thread and @Cliftonite will recall, is a apathetic community. They seem content with feeding stray dogs, joining engineering colleges, doing jobs, getting married, bearing kids and indulging in religious rituals.

No, man. Poor vote for Modi as much as middle class.

Hindu mobs in Delhi destroyed property based only on the name of the owner. Even if your a secular Muslim.....you can not hide your last name or backround.

You know how secular I am. But no amount of secularism can help Muslims of India. The Indians are a very dil mein bhughz rakhne walay people and in case of any calamity you guys will be the first scapegoat. Blaming Muslims has and will always be the Indian national narrative.

My statement was an ideal one from which I derive my general principles, specific situations require specific solutions but in the end, I will vouch for secularism, theocracy kills.

You might as well say that the first Muslim inavder should have not come to India. That is where the Hindu's inferiority complex stems from. That their ficitonal hypothetical Bharat mayya was stripped and used by Muslims for 1000 years.

Look, I would have accepted that the founders of Pakistan were not Islamist if they were not, I try to keep as much as distance between emotions and facts as I can but you can read Iqbal's, Sir Syed's or even Jinnah's works - you know there was an Islamist element.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Secularism is the way, no one should become Hindu neither the opposite. Religion is a personal entity and it should be kept that way - inside your home only.

NO! Caliphate and Shariah is the way. Fake Secularism of India and West can go to Hell!

 

[Cliftonite]

@Naofumi @xeuss @AfrazulMandal @jamahir

The least you guys can do is be united. In case an external enemy like China does a full fledged attack or civil war breaks out, you guys have a contingency plan and you're not swept away as collateral damage.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Indian Muslims and resisting to oppression can not go hand in hand, for that you need Dignity and Honor which they lack down to their DNA .. Thank God A Billion times that my Grand father from both Father and mother side move to Pakistan . Our family would be rich if we would have stayed there, because of the size of property my grand parents from sides hold , but when they come to Pakistan they start from scratch, and all their remaining life they struggle but Alhamdulliah they all are Pakistan and so their kids, and their grand kids . If we were there we would have been honor less bunch which can be hero's only in Movies but in reality they are there just to serve their Hindu's masters .

NO! Caliphate and Shariah is the way. Fake Secularism of India and West can go to Hell!

No, Caliphate and Shariah is not the way ..

 

[Naofumi]

India's wealth inequality is higher then the USA's by far. It is not unforeseeable that a radical left emerges in India as in the USA. Most of the extreme protestors in the USA....are probably atheists from the left.

It's not by far, according to this. India is closer to USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_equality
And according to this, more equal than USA.
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/economic-data/wealth-distribution-income-inequality
Somewhat depends on how you're measuring.