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malay dont post from indiadaily that is not too much credible newspaper, even if it gave first details on PAD test.

there is nothing in Agni 3 that has to do with ISRO motors. they are different entities works differently.
 
This graph is totally bogus....

Range cannot just keep increasing by a lesser payload like that :D

Lemme fix the thread title.
 
India has nothing to fear by putting western nations into range. It's not a Muslim nation. :)
 
Of course, the missile still could be Pakistan centric...

A Submarine launched version can come in handy if Pakistan destroys all forward missile launch systems. Or perhaps for an extreme second strike capability. Haha you can bet when Pakistan and India test longer ranged missiles the politicians would explain it that way to the western nations.

The only western nation with the objections would be USA. And I don't think even if India fired an ICBM of 5000 km range it would threaten the US. So I don't see anything convincing in the argument that it's an understated ICBM.
 
No, it would be a WHOLE lot of nations. ICBM is no joke. Whether 5000 or 15000km. Once a nation develops an ICBM, it has severe international ramifications. The European countries etc come into the target. Its a VERY serious development. It is definite to provoke strong reactions from the international community.

Ofcourse its also Pakistan centric, it means we can fire the missile from anywhere in this country and still hit anywhere in Pakistan, but this is movable and launchaable by rail. So that means Pakistan most likely will not be able to preemptively destroy the missile. Plus India is very big, so a preemptive missile strike on India is absurd.

This is essentially oN China. We can now cover entire China. That gives us credible nuclear deterrence against the Chinese.
 
This graph is totally bogus....

Range cannot just keep increasing by a lesser payload like that :D

Lemme fix the thread title.

Did ya read the article i posted?
Do you realize that is motor performance w.r.t. payload which is being carried out?

Read the attached small article with that pic,

Missile range & payload mass are inversely related. It is useful to contrast the variation between Agni-III and Agni-II. It is interesting to note that Agni-III with its larger mass fraction design has a greater capability and sensitivity for lighter payload, where as Agni-II is not very sensitive for lighter payload. Of course Agni-III is a heavier missile compared to Agni-II thus offers a broader payload range. Initial Agni-3 version uses second stage case made of maraging steel, incremental dead weight increase of ~450 Kg shall translate to effective mass of payload increase by same quantum. Further improvement in second stage fuel-mass fraction could improve the capability for lighter payload significantly.

Let me explain, the PSLV is for LEO satellites only but it will be used for moon mission, how is it going to go then?

OBVIOUSLY the picture is not what real scenario is and will be, it is a contrast with the second motor capability w.r.t Agni 2.

In real scenario a payload is needed, there are trajectory variations effecting speed of ballistic missiles i.e. if you release your missile in a depressed trajectory or a non-depressed one, there are wind velocity wich effects range.

The range of this missile is good around 4k to 5.5k kms with bells and whistles on.

Of course, the missile still could be Pakistan centric...

A Submarine launched version can come in handy if Pakistan destroys all forward missile launch systems. Or perhaps for an extreme second strike capability. Haha you can bet when Pakistan and India test longer ranged missiles the politicians would explain it that way to the western nations.

The only western nation with the objections would be USA. And I don't think even if India fired an ICBM of 5000 km range it would threaten the US. So I don't see anything convincing in the argument that it's an understated ICBM.
I'll post links on Strategic papers later which says India wants to fulfill it uclear triad command.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A ICBM, a 2 stage missile cannot be a ICBM, this is the precise contrast of that graph if you put Agni 3 with the 3 stage missile, the third motor is needed for futher cruising.

The two stage Agni-III would eventually evolve to a full range ICBM by addition of a third stage (approx 2,000kg mass). The 15 meter tall Agni-IV would weight about 50 tonnes. India may soon test[134] Agni-IV


India has nothing to fear by putting western nations into range. It's not a Muslim nation
not really :disagree:
 
1.8 tonnes is way way heavy for the Indian RV MK3 boosted fission TN warheads.

There is something under tha table I'm not able to comprehend but the range game seems highly highly suspicious.

Things assured this is not a full fledged ICBM [over 12k] (if this was 3 staged i wouldnt even doubt that), but this doesnt has any less range than 5.5k if all MOd articles says over 3k with 1.8 tonne payload.

even if with decoys et all which it contains 1.8 tonnes looks a bit heavy.
 
But Asim doesn't live in Pakistan Malay. :P

8000 posts my dear friend...good going, It shows how less productive we are being in the outside world...lol
me included
 
Agni III

Taking a major leap in missile technology, India today successfully test-fired its most powerful nuclear capable intermediate range ballistic missile Agni-III from the Interim Test Range (ITR) here.

The indigenously developed two stage, all solid fuel, 16 meter long missile weighing 48 tonnes blasted off at 10.52 am from a fixed platform with the help of an auto launcher in the launch complex-4 of the ITR, located about 72 km from here, defence officials said.

The surface to surface missile with a strike range of over 3,000 km and capacity to carry a payload of 1.5 tonnes has the capability to reach even remote Chinese mainland cities of Shanghai and Beijing.

India thus joins a select group of nations to field missiles of inter-continental reach.

"The entire flight path of 15 minutes duration validated all mission objectives," a defence ministry spokesman said.

In the successful Agni III test, the spokesman said Indian scientists had for the first time also validated frontline technology of flex nozzle control system for rocket guidance, specially developed composite propellants and guidance and control with fault tolerant avionics.[/B]

The sleek missile vertically roared into the clear sky leaving behind a thick column of white and yellow smoke, eyewitness accounts said.

Fitted with an on-board computer, the missile went upto a distance of 90 km vertically crossing the atmosphere and re-entered into the earth targetting the pre-determined impact point near Car Nicobar island, officials said.

The missile was tracked from ground stations at Dhamra, ITR Balasore, Port Blair and Naval warships in the Indian Ocean.

With the successful test-fire, Agni-III is the missile with the longest reach in South Asia and more powerful than any missile in Pakistan's arsenal. However, China has missiles with a longer reach.

After three postponements, Agni III was first test fired on July 9, 2006, but the missile failed to meet its mission objectives due to cascaded failure of booster flex nozzle controller.

Initially, Indian scientists had planned only three tests, before its induction in 2008. However, DRDO sources said with the failure of maiden test flight, more tests would now be required to prove its robustness.

Though DRDO officials are tightlipped, well informed sources said that Agni III costs about 1/6th of similar missiles developed by western countries.

Amongst the range of Agni missiles, Agni III is the country's first solid fuel missile that is compact and small enough for easy mobility and can be easily packaged for deployment on variety of surface and sub-surface platforms.

The Missile, DRDO scentists say will support a wide range of warhead configurations with total playload mass ranging from 600 kg to 1,800 kg.

Due to its high accuracy, the missile is useable in smaller sub-nuclear conflicts, a trend now seen in American long-range missiles.[/B]

Agni III, DRDO sources said is likely to serve as a base missile for development of underwater launched version of the Agni missiles, miniaturised to be carried in future Indian submarines.
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=464691
 
CHINA REACTS:


China tells India to promote peace in Asia
(AFP)
12 April 2007
BEIJING - China urged India Thursday to promote peace and stability in Asia after New Delhi tested a nuclear-capable ballistic missile.

“As for the ballistic missile test of India, we have noted the reports,” foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

“We hope that India, as a country with an important influence in this region, can work to maintain and promote peace and stability in the region.

“We hope they can make a positive contribution in this regard and play a positive role.”

Qin refused to comment further on the test.

India on Thursday test-fired a nuclear-capable intermediate-range ballistic missile which can reach the Chinese cities of Beijing and Shanghai.

AFP
 
Now that is very good news, all the flak DRDO's guys got over the years, into something that is really really fruitful. Kudos to them. I am still skeptical about the range, You can official conclude now that Sagarika as well as ATV is in advance stage of development
 
^^ ahhh the dragon has reacted.. elephant needs to hide :P


adux whats your opinion about the range?
 

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