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Multiple Navarea warnings

Warning 1
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DTG 021003Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –160
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INDIA EAST COAST – BAY OF BENGAL (.) CHARTS 31 32 INT 706 (.) MISSILE FIRING
PRACTICE BY NAVAL SHIPS SCHEDULED FROM 071030 – 080730 UTC MAR 16 IN DANGER
AREA BOUNDED BY 15-30N 083-24E, 16-14N 084-00E, 15-40N 084-42E, 15-08N 085-06, 14-16N
084-35E (.) SAFE FLYING HT 25 KM
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 080830 UTC MAR 16
021003Z/MAR


DTG 031001Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –163
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Comments
  • Safe Flying Height is 25km
  • So Surface to Surface Missile ruled out
  • distance in diagonal is 226 Km and 187 km in red and yellow is 179 km
  • Since its in sea, its launched by either a ship or a submarine or a aircraft
  • Barak 8 SA altitude ceiling is 3.5 km
  • Since the safe height is 25km or 82000 feet , Su 30 MKI ceiling is 56,800 feet
  • My Bet Air Launched Brahmos first test
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Warning 2

DTG 261005Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –147
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INDIA WEST COAST – KOCHI (.) CHARTS 220 INT 71(.) FIRING BY NAVAL COAST
BATTERY SCHEDULED ON
DATE TIME (UTC)
01 MAR 16 0900-1200
04 MAR 0900-1200
08 MAR 0900-1200
11 MAR 0900-1200 AND 1230-1430
15 MAR 0900-1200
18 MAR 0900-1200
22 MAR 0900-1200
25 MAR 0900-1200
29 MAR 0900-1200 AND 1230-1430
2. DANGER AREA BOUNDED BY 09-57.5N 075-59.5E, 09-57.7N 076-14.2E, 09-44.0N 076-17.5E,
09-42.5N 076-09.5E (.)
3. SAFE FLYING HT 10 KM
4. CANCEL NAVAREA VIII 071 AND THIS MSG 291530 UTC MAR 16
261005Z/FEB
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Comments
  • Naval coastal battery Firing
  • distances given in black
  • Safe Flying Height is 10 km
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Warning 3

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INDIA EAST COAST – SE OFF KAKINADA (.) CHARTS 31 391 INT 706 (.) FIRING BY
NAVAL SHIPS SCHEDULED FROM 080730 - 081230 AND 090230 - 090700 UTC MAR 16 IN
DANGER AREA BOUNDED BY 15-30N 083-24E, 16-14N 084-00E, 15-34N 084-46E, 15-08N 084-24E
(.) SAFE FLYING HT 8 KM
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 090800 UTC MAR 16
031001Z/MAR

DTG 041001Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –168

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Comments
  • Naval Ship sureshot written
  • Safe Height 8 km double of highest altitude of our SAM
  • Bet for Barak 8 ER
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Warning 4
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INDIA WEST COAST – ARABIAN SEA (.) CHARTS 22 257 293 INT 71 (.) FIRING BY NAVAL
SHIPS SCHEDULED FROM 082330- 091730 UTC MAR 16 IN AREA BOUNDED BY 16-31N 071-21E,
16-31N 071-51E, 17-01N 071-51E, 17-01N 071-21E AND 100430-101430 UTC MAR 16 IN AREA
BOUNDED BY 13-56.20N 074-13.60E, 14-07.20N 074-13.60E, 14-07.20N 074-25.07E, 13-55.20N
074-25.07E (.)
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 101530 UTC MAR 16
041001Z/MAR

DTG 070531Z PRIORITY
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –174
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Comments
  • Firing by naval Ships
  • No Safe height
  • SRSAM test or Barak 1 test
  • No Torpedo test as land in between
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Warning 5

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INDIA EAST COAST – BAY OF BENGAL (.) CHARTS 32 33 INT 71 (.) FIRING BY CG
AIRCRAFT SCHEDULED DAILY FROM 07-14 MAR 16 FROM 0130- 1130 UTC IN DANGER AREA
BOUNDED BY 13-30N 082-00E, 14-30N 082-00E, 14-30N 082-40E, 13-30N 082-40E (.)
2. SAFE FLYING HT 2 KM
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 141230 UTC MAR 16
070531Z/MAR
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Comments
  • Firing by CG aircraft most probably Do 228/Il 38s/Tu 142s
  • Safe Flying Height of 2km
  • Experimental Torpedo Test perhaps - Varunastra or Advanced Light Torpedo
@MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ @SpArK @Taygibay @Vauban @Abingdonboy @anant_s @ni8mare @scorpionx @nair @knight11 @Ankit Kumar @others
 
PARIKRAMA said:
Multiple Navarea warnings

Warning 1
-------------------------------------------
DTG 021003Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –160
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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INDIA EAST COAST – BAY OF BENGAL (.) CHARTS 31 32 INT 706 (.) MISSILE FIRING
PRACTICE BY NAVAL SHIPS SCHEDULED FROM 071030 – 080730 UTC MAR 16 IN DANGER
AREA BOUNDED BY 15-30N 083-24E, 16-14N 084-00E, 15-40N 084-42E, 15-08N 085-06, 14-16N
084-35E (.) SAFE FLYING HT 25 KM
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 080830 UTC MAR 16
021003Z/MAR


DTG 031001Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –163
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View attachment 297370

Comments
  • Safe Flying Height is 25km
  • So Surface to Surface Missile ruled out
  • distance in diagonal is 226 Km and 187 km in red and yellow is 179 km
  • Since its in sea, its launched by either a ship or a submarine or a aircraft
  • Barak 8 SA altitude ceiling is 3.5 km
  • Since the safe height is 25km or 82000 feet , Su 30 MKI ceiling is 56,800 feet
  • My Bet Air Launched Brahmos first test
+++
Warning 2

DTG 261005Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –147
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INDIA WEST COAST – KOCHI (.) CHARTS 220 INT 71(.) FIRING BY NAVAL COAST
BATTERY SCHEDULED ON
DATE TIME (UTC)
01 MAR 16 0900-1200
04 MAR 0900-1200
08 MAR 0900-1200
11 MAR 0900-1200 AND 1230-1430
15 MAR 0900-1200
18 MAR 0900-1200
22 MAR 0900-1200
25 MAR 0900-1200
29 MAR 0900-1200 AND 1230-1430
2. DANGER AREA BOUNDED BY 09-57.5N 075-59.5E, 09-57.7N 076-14.2E, 09-44.0N 076-17.5E,
09-42.5N 076-09.5E (.)
3. SAFE FLYING HT 10 KM
4. CANCEL NAVAREA VIII 071 AND THIS MSG 291530 UTC MAR 16
261005Z/FEB
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View attachment 297372

Comments
  • Naval coastal battery Firing
  • distances given in black
  • Safe Flying Height is 10 km
++++
Warning 3

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INDIA EAST COAST – SE OFF KAKINADA (.) CHARTS 31 391 INT 706 (.) FIRING BY
NAVAL SHIPS SCHEDULED FROM 080730 - 081230 AND 090230 - 090700 UTC MAR 16 IN
DANGER AREA BOUNDED BY 15-30N 083-24E, 16-14N 084-00E, 15-34N 084-46E, 15-08N 084-24E
(.) SAFE FLYING HT 8 KM
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 090800 UTC MAR 16
031001Z/MAR

DTG 041001Z ROUTINE
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –168

View attachment 297378

Comments
  • Naval Ship sureshot written
  • Safe Height 8 km double of highest altitude of our SAM
  • Bet for Barak 8 ER
+++
Warning 4
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INDIA WEST COAST – ARABIAN SEA (.) CHARTS 22 257 293 INT 71 (.) FIRING BY NAVAL
SHIPS SCHEDULED FROM 082330- 091730 UTC MAR 16 IN AREA BOUNDED BY 16-31N 071-21E,
16-31N 071-51E, 17-01N 071-51E, 17-01N 071-21E AND 100430-101430 UTC MAR 16 IN AREA
BOUNDED BY 13-56.20N 074-13.60E, 14-07.20N 074-13.60E, 14-07.20N 074-25.07E, 13-55.20N
074-25.07E (.)
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 101530 UTC MAR 16
041001Z/MAR

DTG 070531Z PRIORITY
FROM NAVAREA VIII CO-ORDINATOR UNCLAS
TO NAVAREA VIII –174
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View attachment 297380

Comments
  • Firing by naval Ships
  • No Safe height
  • SRSAM test or Barak 1 test
  • No Torpedo test as land in between
+++
Warning 5

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INDIA EAST COAST – BAY OF BENGAL (.) CHARTS 32 33 INT 71 (.) FIRING BY CG
AIRCRAFT SCHEDULED DAILY FROM 07-14 MAR 16 FROM 0130- 1130 UTC IN DANGER AREA
BOUNDED BY 13-30N 082-00E, 14-30N 082-00E, 14-30N 082-40E, 13-30N 082-40E (.)
2. SAFE FLYING HT 2 KM
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 141230 UTC MAR 16
070531Z/MAR
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View attachment 297381

Comments
  • Firing by CG aircraft most probably Do 228/Il 38s/Tu 142s
  • Safe Flying Height of 2km
  • Experimental Torpedo Test perhaps - Varunastra or Advanced Light Torpedo
@MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ @SpArK @Taygibay @Vauban @Abingdonboy @anant_s @ni8mare @scorpionx @nair @knight11 @Ankit Kumar @others
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Regarding warning 1, there was news last December that we will be soon testing Air launched lightweight cruise missile and also DRDO Anti-Radiation Missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It may be these two also.
 
Ankit Kumar said:
Regarding warning 1, there was news last December that we will be soon testing Air launched lightweight cruise missile and also DRDO Anti-Radiation Missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It may be these two also.
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i had assumed ARM first but ARM reach wont be this long..At best ARM would be apprx 120 odd kms and here the shortest distance is around 180km.. But still i say a possibility..

The same with Air launched light weight cruise missile .. I think either its Brahmos ALCM or Astra 2 LR BVR.. Since Astra MK2 is some time away, i have a sneaky suspicion that its the first test of Brahmos ALCM ..

But then again anything is possible..
 
PARIKRAMA said:
i had assumed ARM first but ARM reach wont be this long..At best ARM would be apprx 120 odd kms and here the shortest distance is around 180km.. But still i say a possibility..

The same with Air launched light weight cruise missile .. I think either its Brahmos ALCM or Astra 2 LR BVR.. Since Astra MK2 is some time away, i have a sneaky suspicion that its the first test of Brahmos ALCM ..

But then again anything is possible..
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Yes can be anything. The reason I think it won't be ALCM BrahMos is the range. As it is Air launched it will surely have a range of more than 300km , even if it is tested with MTCR in mind, it should be 290Km, but the area has maximum diagonal of ~230 km.

Will have to wait.

Any news about Agni 5?
 
PARIKRAMA said:
i had assumed ARM first but ARM reach wont be this long..At best ARM would be apprx 120 odd kms and here the shortest distance is around 180km.. But still i say a possibility..

The same with Air launched light weight cruise missile .. I think either its Brahmos ALCM or Astra 2 LR BVR.. Since Astra MK2 is some time away, i have a sneaky suspicion that its the first test of Brahmos ALCM ..

But then again anything is possible..
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Does India have >1500 km range cruise missiles if not are there any in testing
 
Ankit Kumar said:
Yes can be anything. The reason I think it won't be ALCM BrahMos is the range. As it is Air launched it will surely have a range of more than 300km , even if it is tested with MTCR in mind, it should be 290Km, but the area has maximum diagonal of ~230 km.

Will have to wait.

Any news about Agni 5?
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As of now no Navarea warning seen for Agni 5.. Possibly will keep an eye out for a new Navarea...

BTW any idea about coastal batteries.. I thought beyond guns also they should have some Some very small range Missiles and AA batteries.. Warning 2..

Spectre said:
Does India have >1500 km range cruise missiles if not are there any in testing
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Nirbhay is there but i doubt they would test full range.. Other than that i have to check for others,,,
 
PARIKRAMA said:
As of now no Navarea warning seen for Agni 5.. Possibly will keep an eye out for a new Navarea...

BTW any idea about coastal batteries.. I thought beyond guns also they should have some Some very small range Missiles and AA batteries.. Warning 2..


Nirbhay is there but i doubt they would test full range.. Other than that i have to check for others,,,
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This is a major gap. We need couple of systems in 1.5k to 3K range for self evident reasons. Ballistic missiles will send the wrong signal.
 
PARIKRAMA said:
As of now no Navarea warning seen for Agni 5.. Possibly will keep an eye out for a new Nbofors..

BTW any idea about coastal batteries.. I thought beyond guns also they should have some Some very small range Missiles and AA batteries.. Warning 2..


Nirbhay is there but i doubt they would test full range.. Other than that i have to check for others,,,
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I feel looking at many dates that it may be a regular anti aircraft gun training session.May be training the new joins on how to use the anti aircraft guns and shoot down PTAs, or even training them to use RBU series for shore bombardment ...... in reality I don't have much idea. Also that its on the west coast is surprising.
 
Spectre said:
This is a major gap. We need couple of systems in 1.5k to 3K range for self evident reasons. Ballistic missiles will send the wrong signal.
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If you allow me to speculate a bit then.... we may have one.
The Klub3M-14, some say Russians helped us in Nirbhay by supplying this.
And the new version of this missile has a range of 2,500 km.
 
Ankit Kumar said:
The Klub3M-14, some say Russians helped us in Nirbhay by supplying this.
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Well, if you look at the air inlet design, you'll see a distinct similarity between Klub and Nirbhay.

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India's%2BNirbhay%2Bcruise%2Bmissile%2Bin%2Bflight,%2Bfilmed%2Bfrom%2Ban%2BIAF%2BJaguar%2Bin%2Bchase%2B1.jpg


...and these are only external similarities. But however, a similar design may just be a way of developing on proven concepts, so exactly what level of Nirbhay's tech is sourced from abroad is unknown, and we may never know for sure.

All we know is that we can use it without any restrictions.

And the new version of this missile has a range of 2,500 km.
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Details...?
 
PARIKRAMA said:
@ni8mare @Abingdonboy @MilSpec
Can you guys check on page 143 and help understanding the Navarea..

What exactly comes in coastal batteries..

Also what test an aircraft of ICG can do? A Do228 platform testing AShM or Torpedo?
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Do228 will most likely won't test ashm, could be tracking test, it wont be a Brahmos ALCM imo. System will be a mystery. lets keep it that way till there is disclosure from MoD
 
PARIKRAMA said:
@ni8mare @Abingdonboy @MilSpec
Can you guys check on page 143 and help understanding the Navarea..

What exactly comes in coastal batteries..

Also what test an aircraft of ICG can do? A Do228 platform testing AShM or Torpedo?
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Can't tell any thing numbers are quite uncanny......we can only speculate ......let's wait for the tests
 

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