Indian Missiles - News, Developments, Tests, and Discussions

[ironman]

Russia is a member of the MTCR. Britain and France are also members of the MTCR.

India is the recipient of illegal technology. The United States must use political pressure to stop the proliferation of missile technology in violation of the MTCR. If the MTCR collapses, the world will become very dangerous with scores of countries in possession of ICBMs.

Yes, India has a partner in some specific missile programmes. Thats none other than Israel , because they are not members of any MTCR.

And for your concern we are no threat to any country as we adhere to No first use policy.

 

[Martian2]

Yes, India has a partner in some specific missile programmes. Thats none other than Israel , because they are not members of any MTCR.

And for your concern we are no threat to any country as we adhere to No first use policy.

Israel does not possess ICBM technology. India did not import the sensitive electronic components and software from Israel.

The issue is whether Russia, Britain, or France is violating the MTCR. Clearly, one of those signatories is proliferating ICBM missile technology that can carry WMDs to threaten other nations.

In sum, the United States must publicly identify and shame the missile technology proliferator to stop destabilizing the world.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

At Dott, you imported it. So what's your point?

Indians also claim the Arjun tank and LCA Tejas are indigenous. No one believes the Indian propaganda.

The DRDO chief was very specific in acknowledging the import of electronic components for the Agni V. Without the electronic guidance system and software, the Agni V is non-operational.

Indians are also the ones telling the public how much content is indigenous. What propaganda?


All of the critical parts on the Agni 5 are made in India. Including the Ring laser gyroscope and inertial navigation system.

 

[ironman]

Israel does not possess ICBM technology. India did not import the sensitive electronic components and software from Israel.

The issue is whether Russia, Britain, or France is violating the MTCR. Clearly, one of those signatories is proliferating ICBM missile technology that can carry WMDs to threaten other nations.

In sum, the United States must publicly identify and shame the missile technology proliferator to stop destabilizing the world.

OK now I understand .. why don't you take this as a serious issue and pass this valuable information to the UN ?..

Bloody China(they even posses ICBM tech, and with their proliferation record I suspect them too)Russia or France or Britain s.. shame on you.

 

[Martian2]

Indians are also the ones tell the public how much content is indigenous. What propaganda?

All of the critical parts on the Agni 5 are made in India. Including the Ring laser gyroscope and inertial navigation system.

Bottom line: Indian DRDO chief has publicly acknowledged importing critical electronic components for use in the Agni V ICBM. The imported electronic guidance system and software comprise approximately 20% of the Agni V missile. This is a clear violation of the MTCR by RUSSIA, Britain, or France.

The United States must put a stop to this flagrant violation of the MTCR and ensure no further illegal exports of electronic components for the Indian Agni V WMD program.

----------

At Ironman, China's proliferation record has improved dramatically over the past decades. China has gone to great lengths to voluntarily adhere to non-proliferation programs where it is not a signatory.

If you happen to have Ban Ki-moon's number, I'll give him a piece of my mind.

1. I need economic sanctions against a rogue non-NPT signatory country that is testing the ICBM delivery vehicle for a weapon of mass destruction.

2. I need political action (followed by economic sanctions if necessary) against an UNSC P-5 violator of the MTCR.

Hurry up and do something!

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

China mein jab bachcha rota hai to Maa bolti hai, Beta so ja warna Agni 5 aajayegi.

 

[DMLA]

It's indeed funny how some people will twist facts/ statements to make them suit their conclusions. Nowhere did any DRDO spokesperson (in this case Dr. Saraswat I believe) talk of importing "critical" components. Neither did he say the components were for "guidance". He just talked of "electronic components" which could very well be off the shelf material used in multitude of projects within DRDO (read other missile projects). Pathetic losers !

Edit: "I want arihant and future (bigger) SSBN's to roll out asap. I want DRDO to test long range sub launched missiles to bring continental USA within our strike range! And finally I want multiple IN SSBN's to patrol the pacific to target both the Chinese and the USA". I could WANT many things! Doesn't mean they will happen!

 

[Martian2]

Russia needs to stop violating the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime)

The DRDO chief said 20% of the Agni V (e.g. the electronic components) were imported. You make it sound as if you can go down to the local Radio Shack and buy the electronic components and software to operate a Mach 24 ICBM. Your argument is ridiculous.

India can't build a Mach 3 BrahMos cruise missile by itself without Russian technology. Yet, you are claiming India can buy the electronic components for a Mach 24 ICBM down at the local electronics store. This is a laughable scenario.

Those Russians are seriously violating the MTCR and they need to stop. Proliferating ICBM technology to the highest bidder is destabilizing the world and placing everyone at risk of Indian WMDs.

If the Russians are allowed to freely violate the MTCR for India, there is nothing to stop the Russians from violating the MTCR and proliferating ICBM technology to Iran, North Korea, or the next highest bidder. The MTCR is crumbling and the United States must stop it.

 

[IndianArmy]

DRDO chief said 20% of the electronic components for the Agni V were imported. You make it sound as if you can go down to the local Radio Shack and buy the electronic components and software to operate a Mach 24 ICBM. Your argument is ridiculous.

India can't even build a Mach 2 BrahMos cruise missile by itself without Russian technology. Yet, you are claiming India can buy the electronic components for a Mach 24 ICBM down at the local electronic store. This is a laughable scenario.

Those Russians are seriously violating the MTCR and they need to stop. Proliferating ICBM technology to the highest bidder is destabilizing the world and placing everyone at risk of Indian WMDs.

If the Russians are allowed to freely violate the MTCR for India, there is nothing to stop the Russians from violating the MTCR and proliferating ICBM technology to Iran, North Korea, or the next highest bidder. The MTCR is crumbling and the United States must stop it.

If the Chief of DRDO has acknowledged that 20% of the components were imported does it mean the violation of MTCR?? Come on India is no fool or a rouge country to openly declare the import of closely guarded technology. Russia has not Violated the MTCR , it is well within the rules. If there is anyone which the world is not happy about its the Rouge Oil thirsty US of A.

Do you think USA complies with the MTCR rules?? Standard Missile 3 is a direct violation of MTCR... Which nation do you possibly permit to take action on your violations?

 

[Firemaster]

DRDO chief said 20% of the electronic components for the Agni V were imported. You make it sound as if you can go down to the local Radio Shack and buy the electronic components and software to operate a Mach 24 ICBM. Your argument is ridiculous.

Hey First of all A5 is Mach 20 Missile and We have to import Electronic chips because In India there is no Fablab which can fab below 0.5um. So we have to import some COTS components from abroad. But RLG and The MINS technology is Indian.

India can't build a Mach 3 BrahMos cruise missile by itself without Russian technology. Yet, you are claiming India can buy the electronic components for a Mach 24 ICBM down at the local electronic store. This is a laughable scenario.

In case you don't know Brahmos Guidance system and software is Indian and Ramjet Technology is Russian.

 

[Martian2]

The important point is the existence of serious gaps in India's missile technology.

No one complained about the Mach 3 BrahMos, because it complied with MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime). The Brahmos payload of 300kg and range of 290km fell below the MTCR limits of 500kg payload and 300km range.

However, exporting sensitive electronic components to enable a country/India to build a Mach 24 ICBM (with a 1,500kg payload/warhead and 5,000 km+ range) is an outrageous violation of the MTCR. The Russians have rendered the MTCR meaningless and they need to stop future violations and exports of ICBM electronic components.

 

[lepziboy]

The important point is the existence of serious gaps in India's missile technology.

No one complained about the Mach 3 BrahMos, because it complied with MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime). The Brahmos payload of 300kg and range of 290km fell below the MTCR limits of 500kg payload and 300km range.

However, exporting sensitive electronic components to enable a country/India to build a Mach 24 ICBM (with a 1,500kg payload/warhead and 5,000 km+ range) is an outrageous violation of the MTCR. The Russians have rendered the MTCR meaningless and they need to stop future violations and exports of ICBM electronic components.

Lol another High IQ troll.seriously stop burning

 

[Martian2]

Lol another High IQ troll.seriously stop burning

Give me a break. I have over 3,000 "thanked" posts. You have 199. Seems to me that you're the troll.

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

Martian2 instead of screeching for retribution against the Indians, you would do your 'cause' better by studying the articles of the MTCR closely, and figure out WHICH electronic components were outsourced by India and whether they are in violation. The word 'electronic components' is ambiguous in definition from the interview itself and can mean anything. The burden of proof is upon you. By your logic, any country that violates the MTCR needs to be pulled up by the Yanks. Well then, in a completely unrelated scenario the Yanks should be pulling themselves up for offering Global Hawk UAV's to India, as their payload and range vastly exceed the 500 kg payload and 300 km range as stipulated under the guidelines of the MTCR. So when the Yanks don't care, why should the rest of the world?

 

[Martian2]

Martian2 instead of screeching for retribution against the Indians, you would do your 'cause' better by studying the articles of the MTCR closely, and figure out WHICH electronic components were outsourced by India and whether they are in violation. The word 'electronic components' is ambiguous in definition from the interview itself and can mean anything. The burden of proof is upon you. By your logic, any country that violates the MTCR needs to be pulled up by the Yanks. Well then, in a completely unrelated scenario the Yanks should be pulling themselves up for offering Global Hawk UAV's to India, as their payload and range vastly exceed the 500 kg payload and 300 km range as stipulated under the guidelines of the MTCR. So when the Yanks don't care, why should the rest of the world?

Export of the Global Hawk UAV does not violate MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime). The Global Hawk is strictly a reconnaissance aircraft and it carries no payload (see Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk).

Trying to shift the burden to me is absurd. The DRDO and the Indian government are the ones in possession of the detailed knowledge of the MTCR violations. The DRDO chief has specifically stated that 20% of the Agni V consisted of imported electronic components.

Instead of trying to play word games or "hide and seek" games with me, why don't you acknowledge India has illegally imported missile technology banned under the MTCR? Without the electronic imports, India can only build 80% of an Agni V. An 80% Agni V that is missing electronic components can't fly.

Try building the Agni V yourself and stop violating the MTCR.

Have you no Indian pride? 20% of the Agni V is Russian!