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Shivalik class are very capable but it can't considered near about destroyer because it has limited ground attack capability & air defence for self defence not for escort. Talwar class have same power punch as Shivalik with less weight but Shivalik class are upper hand due to one additional rotorcraft, LM2500 gas turbine propulsion, advance combat managdment system, crew friendly etc.
Shivalik class frigrates are made for ASW & anti surface combatant warfare

True,they are primarily ASW and anti surface combatants.But u underestimate their AAW capabilities,shtil-1 is excellent MRSAM and barak-1 is probably world's best QRSAM after aster-15.barak-1 is slightly better than seawolf[the same missile that shot down exocets in falklands].Plus there is ak-630 CIWS.
The shivalik are much more capable than talwars due to additional Helicopter plus layered AAW capability.But its not air defence destroyer.Its multi role platform.

 

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CG is an RR ... and much older than RPG variants... Shipon is good but is it reusable or just 1 shot? Vidhwansak is a anti material rifle... a copy of denel NTW-20.. while ags-17 is an automatic grenade launcher... also do share abt ur new indigenous automatic grenade launcher?

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OFB grenade launcher.

We also use newer russian AGS-30 auto grenade launcher.

Yes vidhwansak is denel copy.


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We don't use the originl carl gustav MK1.We use third version carl gustav mk3.RPG-7 is obsolete and not as useful for bunker busting,also lower range.
Army Orders More Carl Gustaf Recoilless Rifles | Kit Up!
Even in USARMY carl gustav is favourite,they still using and ordering more.

As for shipon,
''During the late 1990s, IMI introduced the Shipon, an advanced REUSABLE multi-purpose shoulder-launched rocket system consisting of a launch tube and FCS module. The Shipon includes an advanced fire-control system, helping to aim and increasing effective range to 600 meters. The Shipon fires two types of rockets: HEAT Tandem, which penetrates 800 mm of steel armor after explosive reactive armor, and a bunker-buster rocket.''

 

[Capt.Popeye]

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OFB grenade launcher.

We also use newer russian AGS-30 auto grenade launcher.

Yes vidhwansak is denel copy.


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We don't use the originl carl gustav MK1.We use third version carl gustav mk3.RPG-7 is obsolete and not as useful for bunker busting,also lower range.
Army Orders More Carl Gustaf Recoilless Rifles | Kit Up!
Even in USARMY carl gustav is favourite,they still using and ordering more.

As for shipon,
''During the late 1990s, IMI introduced the Shipon, an advanced REUSABLE multi-purpose shoulder-launched rocket system consisting of a launch tube and FCS module. The Shipon includes an advanced fire-control system, helping to aim and increasing effective range to 600 meters. The Shipon fires two types of rockets: HEAT Tandem, which penetrates 800 mm of steel armor after explosive reactive armor, and a bunker-buster rocket.''

The Carl Gustav is a Platoon Level weapon and since it is so efficient and popular (as you mentioned, even with the US Army) that it is in use throughout the Indian Army. The Shipon is distributed through out the Company level but not with the Mountain troops.

 

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The Carl Gustav is a Platoon Level weapon and since it is so efficient and popular (as you mentioned, even with the US Army) that it is in use throughout the Indian Army. The Shipon is distributed through out the Company level but not with the Mountain troops.

At which level we have dragunovs?
Also does infantry use HMG,if so at which level?Seperate heavy weapons company?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

At which level we have dragunovs?
Also does infantry use HMG,if so at which level?Seperate heavy weapons company?

Dragunovs/Sniper Rifles are with the Ghatak Platoons in the Inf Battalions. Their distribution in the SF units are different AFAIK. HMGs are Battalion Support Weapons.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Dragunovs/Sniper Rifles are with the Ghatak Platoons in the Inf Battalions. Their distribution in the SF units are different AFAIK. HMGs are Battalion Support Weapons.

What about 'designated marksmen' who have dragunovs?Where do they fit in?

 

[Manindra]

True,they are primarily ASW and anti surface combatants.But u underestimate their AAW capabilities,shtil-1 is excellent MRSAM and barak-1 is probably world's best QRSAM after aster-15.barak-1 is slightly better than seawolf[the same missile that shot down exocets in falklands].Plus there is ak-630 CIWS.
The shivalik are much more capable than talwars due to additional Helicopter plus layered AAW capability.But its not air defence destroyer.Its multi role platform.

Yes, but barak-1 is best missile in it class but it is short which effective for self defence not for escort. I am not underestimate its AAW capability but it has full capable in their self defence unlike other frigates. Falkland war period is outdated. Today LRSAM are deployed on modern destroyers. I am mentioned my previous post that Shivalik is slightly upper hand from Talwar due to its propulsion, double helicopter hanger, advance combat management system, more crew friendly. As you say its a multirole platform which is specialist in ASW & anti surface combatant warfare with limited ground attack capability & full capable in self defence from air threats.

 

[Abingdonboy]

What about 'designated marksmen' who have dragunovs?Where do they fit in?

For infantry fire teams/squads the designated marksmen will likely be issued with an INSAS with a scope- that's about it.



The application of snipers in the IA (excluding SFs) is woefully sub-par IMHO. The numbers of snipers are far too small and then the weapons they are issues (Drugnov) are just inadequate for a sniper role.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Dragunovs/Sniper Rifles are with the Ghatak Platoons in the Inf Battalions. Their distribution in the SF units are different AFAIK. HMGs are Battalion Support Weapons.

Sir, snipers are not just within the Ghataks platoon but in inf bats they will also have regular infantryman trained and equipped as snipers.


You are correct that the distribution of sniper weapons in SFs is very different. In SF teams (6-8 men) at least 1-2 men will be snipers and then most members of the SF are expert marksmen in their own right and can be issued sniper rifles depending on the mission.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

For infantry fire teams/squads the designated marksmen will likely be issued with an INSAS with a scope- that's about it.



The application of snipers in the IA (excluding SFs) is woefully sub-par IMHO. The numbers of snipers are far too small and then the weapons they are issues (Drugnov) are just inadequate for a sniper role.

The application of Snipers in the IA has increased over the years.Nowadays no operation is complete without a Sniper being a part of it.Recently even helicopter snipers have been used.Even for room intervention ops snipers are used to confuse the terrorists.So definitely thir role is increasing day by day in the IA.

Lastly,every QRT has 1-2 sniper and every company has 1-2 snipers.Sniper training is what no one has a clue about.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The application of Snipers in the IA has increased over the years.Nowadays no operation is complete without a Sniper being a part of it.Recently even helicopter snipers have been used.Even for room intervention ops snipers are used to confuse the terrorists.So definitely thir role is increasing day by day in the IA.

Lastly,every QRT has 1-2 sniper and every company has 1-2 snipers.Sniper training is what no one has a clue about.

What you say is 100% correct bro. Things will get better for sure in the future as doctrines are changing and new equipment is coming in.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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OFB grenade launcher.

Looks like a copy of milkor?licensed?

We also use newer russian AGS-30 auto grenade launcher.

Its not really new..
Yes vidhwansak is denel copy.


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We don't use the originl carl gustav MK1.We use third version carl gustav mk3.RPG-7 is obsolete and not as useful for bunker busting,also lower range.
Army Orders More Carl Gustaf Recoilless Rifles | Kit Up!
Even in USARMY carl gustav is favourite,they still using and ordering more.

Yes Carl gustav is an recoiless rifle.. hence more range etc... but also weighs much more n needs two people to operate... Also new ammo for RPG is also very much effective..

 

[Custer]

Sikhs form just 2% of the Indian population but contribute 13-15% to indian armed forces including the current army chief, name a non muslim pakistani chief. Your notion of secularism is quite delusional.

 

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Looks like a copy of milkor?licensed?



Its not really new..
Yes vidhwansak is denel copy.


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Yes Carl gustav is an recoiless rifle.. hence more range etc... but also weighs much more n needs two people to operate... Also new ammo for RPG is also very much effective..

1.Yeah,its licensed version manufactured locally,like dragunov.

3.Carl gustavs are excellent for bunker busting due to range and accuracy.It has twice or more the effective range of rpg-7s and FAR more accurate hit probability and double muzzle velocity.Anti tank penetration wise latest rpg warhead has 600 mm after ERA,latest gustav 500 mm after ERA.none will penetrate frontal armour,both may penetrate rear armour/tracks.But for heavy duty AT we have shipons as well which have 3 times effective anti tank range of rpg,twice accuracy and 800 mm penetration after ERA and can be used by one man crew.
As for weight issue,the OFB RCL MK3 version developed by DRDO is significantly lighter due to use of advanced composites.Its among the lightest carl gustav variant around just under 10kgs[with bipod and telescopic sight] unlike standrad carl gustav weighing 14-21kg.
As for 2 man crew that is a advantage for rpg-7 over gustav.
I see IA also bought a number of C-90-CR-RB spanish LAW weapons for dedicated bunker busting,which have 480 mm after ERA pentration,good accuracy,with very light weight 5 kg And can smash 1200mm of concrete.This weapon was used in a cross border incident in 2000 against pakistani bunkers in sialkot sector.

 

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INS mumbai,delhi class destroyer.Shtil and barak-1 sams,ak-630 CIWS,2 ASW helicopters,16 KH-35 harpoonski ASCMs,2 RBU-6000 ASW/anti torpedo mortars,heavy torpedoes,gun.



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Delhi class is first indigeneous destroyer built in india.With combination of russian armament,indian and western sensors.



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2xDelhi class destroyers in front,2talwar class frigates to the rear.



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Front of the ship.16 kh-35/ss-n-25 harpoonski ASCMs clearly visible.Delhi class is slated for SLEP upgrade including new VLS shtil-1 SAM,new sensors and radar and new ASCMs[klub or brahmos]



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Simultaneous launch of 2 kh-35 urans.



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INS mysore,4 VLS cells for barak-1 QR-SAM clearly visible,as is heavy torpedo armament.



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The kh-35 uran or SS-N-25 Switchblade 'harpoonski'.Russian equivalent of the subsonic harpoon,sea skimmer.Due to be replaced in SLEP upgrade by klub/brahmos or new KH-35U with twice range and ECCM.