Indian military growth threatens Regional stability: Pakistan

[third eye]

What is the concern here ?

All nations prepare themselves & cater for situations as they foresee. India too is doing the same thing. If in so doing the regional stability gets ' disturbed' the nations in the 'disturbed ' region must be cater for in the same in a military & non military manner.

 

[Trisonics]

First of all, India is modernizing what is actually decades old technology. The second most populated country owes it to its countrymen and women to protect them!!!

Pakistan has lost the plot completely!!!! It can either choose to keep complaining or pull up its socks and try to compete with India where it actually matters, and that is not militarily, but in other areas!!! Isn't it reality when Indians brag about many things, the atom bomb still remains Pakistan's biggest achievement or it seems so!!

Pakistani get specially irked when China is mentioned along with India because of the inherent suspicion between the India-Chinese relationship. On the cover it seems they seem like sworn enemies but the truth stares you in the eye! what will it be when the two fastest growing, two highest populations decides to cooperate in economical terms. The one thing that worries the west as well. Will we see it today? No..they need more time..so when will this happen, the most logical time may be when we see the world economy tumble the next time around.

Oh yea before you give me figures about Poverty rates in India, yes its a big problem, but you fail to mention how come the middle class in India is swelling? surely, they are not falling from the sky are they?

India will not over come its poverty by sheer money or by spending less on its military. The problem is more inherent, deep rooted into its society and mind set.
If you observe closely, for a Hindu dominated society, the rudimentary areas of entertainment or politics suddenly have heroes from minorities. People talk with love, the over whelming acceptance of heroes from minorities only shows a changing mindset. Having said all that the higher percentage of society is still trying hard to come to terms with India's impressive growth and its poverty. The change will happen, that is in the mind sets, but unfortunately it take generations but it will because education is spreading and if you look at Indian society today, even the poorest of them believe, its education that can take their sons and daughters to a good life not being a Hindu, Muslim or a certain Caste...

I don't believe in predicting the future anything can happen, but the next 5 -10 years looks great for India!!! Can you say the same for your country???

If you really understand the problems you will stop seeing India's military expenditure!! its analogous with economic growth!!!! The countries complaining about military expenditure in effect are only complaining because they have no way to match up in the immediate future. I would rather complain on other things if I was you. Reality always bites..accept it!!! or feel free to disagree with my post

 

[Raje amar]

People just dont become terrorists just because India and Indians said so. Your reference is towards Hafiz Saeed, again India did not provide sufficent evidence to hold him accountable in any court of law.

what different evidance do you need. he is shouting at the peak of his voice for 100 more mumbai like incidences. if such a thing happens openly & supported by thousandes in Pakistan, how can you expect India to beleave Pakistan on its claims that it is doing its job of crubing terorisum on its land against India.
and how can you expect building confidance among the neighbours.

 

[karan.1970]

Last time we checked it was India that was threatening war with its neighbors and not the other way round. So what heat are you talking about??

Its not the question of threatning. India virtually has been in a state of war with Pakistan since 1947. And when China attacked India, there were no threats. India needs to spend this money to ensure that the conventional deterent is strong enough to avoid a war.. As they say, Arm your self with a big gun, so that you dont have to fire it..

We dont claim because its not, last time we checked China wasnt the one threatning its neighbors with war.

Statements from political leaders do not determine if there will be a war or not. Just like you will not stop countering india's aquisitions even if India makes a statement against war with Pakistan, similarly, absence of agressive statements from China does not excuse India from preparing for contingencies

Learn the basics of economics. Isnt is obvious being a small economy, any amount of budget will result in a higher gdp as compared with a country with a much bigger economy.

Some what true but not in isolation. By your logic, US should have military spend as a % of GDP as the lowest. Your threat perception and military defence doctrine has more to do with this ratio than just the size of the economy

 

[karan.1970]

really, I dont understand why Indian members try and justify the spend.. Why do we need to justify it. Our elected govt thinks its important to spend this money and so be it. Whoever thinks it creates a problem for them, can complain up the wazzoo for all we care..

 

[pak-yes]

First of all, India is modernizing what is actually decades old technology. The second most populated country owes it to its countrymen and women to protect them!!!

Pakistan has lost the plot completely!!!! It can either choose to keep complaining or pull up its socks and try to compete with India where it actually matters, and that is not militarily, but in other areas!!! Isn't it reality when Indians brag about many things, the atom bomb still remains Pakistan's biggest achievement or it seems so!!

Pakistani get specially irked when China is mentioned along with India because of the inherent suspicion between the India-Chinese relationship. On the cover it seems they seem like sworn enemies but the truth stares you in the eye! what will it be when the two fastest growing, two highest populations decides to cooperate in economical terms. The one thing that worries the west as well. Will we see it today? No..they need more time..so when will this happen, the most logical time may be when we see the world economy tumble the next time around.

Oh yea before you give me figures about Poverty rates in India, yes its a big problem, but you fail to mention how come the middle class in India is swelling? surely, they are not falling from the sky are they?

India will not over come its poverty by sheer money or by spending less on its military. The problem is more inherent, deep rooted into its society and mind set.
If you observe closely, for a Hindu dominated society, the rudimentary areas of entertainment or politics suddenly have heroes from minorities. People talk with love, the over whelming acceptance of heroes from minorities only shows a changing mindset. Having said all that the higher percentage of society is still trying hard to come to terms with India's impressive growth and its poverty. The change will happen, that is in the mind sets, but unfortunately it take generations but it will because education is spreading and if you look at Indian society today, even the poorest of them believe, its education that can take their sons and daughters to a good life not being a Hindu, Muslim or a certain Caste...

I don't believe in predicting the future anything can happen, but the next 5 -10 years looks great for India!!! Can you say the same for your country???

If you really understand the problems you will stop seeing India's military expenditure!! its analogous with economic growth!!!! The countries complaining about military expenditure in effect are only complaining because they have no way to match up in the immediate future. I would rather complain on other things if I was you. Reality always bites..accept it!!! or feel free to disagree with my post

Don't Completely agree with you but most of the part is true.

 

[IceCold]

what different evidance do you need. he is shouting at the peak of his voice for 100 more mumbai like incidences.

By this theory Bal thackeray and Shiv Sena should also be put behind bars and declared banned organisation because they have threaten Pakistan on numerous occasions but are they anywhere close to be banned or declared as a terrorist outfit???
In Pakistan we banned JUD and Hafiz Saeed was put on house arrest only after India could not provide sufficent evidence was he released by the court where as in India these fanatics are aloud to run freely and threaten Pakistan as deem fit. Not to forget the BJP and other hindu extremist groups that have been voted into the Government have threaten Pakistan on numerous occasions.
Atleast no mullah ever came to Power in Pakistan in the past nor he ever will in the future, a very clear difference between our two societies.
So yes innocent until proven guilty is a universal law and that applies to Hafiz Saeed as well so stop complaining.

 

[IceCold]

Its not the question of threatning. India virtually has been in a state of war with Pakistan since 1947. And when China attacked India, there were no threats. India needs to spend this money to ensure that the conventional deterent is strong enough to avoid a war.. As they say, Arm your self with a big gun, so that you dont have to fire it..

Ifs its not the case then what is the case?? Pakistan and India did fought wars but that does not mean we have always been in a state of war and specially now when Pakistan is trying to improve relations with India and China well apart from sino Indian conflict has never threaten India with war. In fact its the very opposite and lately Indians actions prove the same. So i Dont buy this argument of arming yourself with a big Gun so you dont have to fire it, because in Indias case you would actually love to fire it and see the results.

Statements from political leaders do not determine if there will be a war or not. Just like you will not stop countering india's aquisitions even if India makes a statement against war with Pakistan, similarly, absence of agressive statements from China does not excuse India from preparing for contingencies

Really! then what does determine if not the political leadership? I havent seen the Chinese making such statements and nor did we see any statement coming from Pakistan, then why does India felt the need for such statements, doesnt this show the offensive ambitions of India in the region.

Some what true but not in isolation. By your logic, US should have military spend as a % of GDP as the lowest. Your threat perception and military defence doctrine has more to do with this ratio than just the size of the economy

isolation? I am not sure if i am following your argument correctly and please dont quote USA in India Pakistan context. An Indian member raised the question about the higher GDP w.r.t India and well isnt it obvious, we have to keep the size of the two economies in mind before we start comparing the GDPs.

 

[karan.1970]

Ifs its not the case then what is the case?? Pakistan and India did fought wars but that does not mean we have always been in a state of war and specially now when Pakistan is trying to improve relations with India and China well apart from sino Indian conflict has never threaten India with war. In fact its the very opposite and lately Indians actions prove the same. So i Dont buy this argument of arming yourself with a big Gun so you dont have to fire it, because in Indias case you would actually love to fire it and see the results.

Dude... do you know the problems indian govt has to go thru when they raise the prices of petrol by 3 rupees.. ?? And you think they would plan a conquest of Pakistan for kicks??
The only way India would get into a war today (considering the economic implications) is either when attacked overtly or a terrorist attack of a larger magnitude than Mumbai. You can distort Gen Kapoor's words as much as you want and convince yourself of his talking about attacking Pakistan and China, but that doesnt make it true..And about Pakistan wanting to make peace with India... I dont think anyone is convinced about that yet.. Hence the big gun is required...

Really! then what does determine if not the political leadership? I havent seen the Chinese making such statements and nor did we see any statement coming from Pakistan, then why does India felt the need for such statements, doesnt this show the offensive ambitions of India in the region.

What statements??

Also I am saying that Political leadership making statements about war does not mean they will stick to those

isolation? I am not sure if i am following your argument correctly and please dont quote USA in India Pakistan context. An Indian member raised the question about the higher GDP w.r.t India and well isnt it obvious, we have to keep the size of the two economies in mind before we start comparing the GDPs.

What I am trying to say is that the threat perceptions and defence doctrine play a larger role in determining the % of GDP spent on Defence than the size of the economy..

 

[Speaker]

By this theory Bal thackeray and Shiv Sena should also be put behind bars and declared banned organisation because they have threaten Pakistan on numerous occasions but are they anywhere close to be banned or declared as a terrorist outfit???
In Pakistan we banned JUD and Hafiz Saeed was put on house arrest only after India could not provide sufficent evidence was he released by the court where as in India these fanatics are aloud to run freely and threaten Pakistan as deem fit. Not to forget the BJP and other hindu extremist groups that have been voted into the Government have threaten Pakistan on numerous occasions.
Atleast no mullah ever came to Power in Pakistan in the past nor he ever will in the future, a very clear difference between our two societies.
So yes innocent until proven guilty is a universal law and that applies to Hafiz Saeed as well so stop complaining.

Listen, I agree Bal Thakeray and Shiv Sena mouth a lot of nonsense. But it is not the same as the terrorist conclave that had a meeting last week in Muzzafarabad. For one, BT threatens not to kill, but to prevent Pakistani cricketers from playing in India. Their most direct action has been to dig up a pitch, not train 10 guys to come by boat and gun down innocents. Second, this is done selectively to get media attention. How come he has no problem with Pakistani entertainers or other sports-persons? So you need to understand that these are not the same. About the BJP, they are pro-Hindu and not necessarily anti-Muslim. I am not saying it is a very great thing, and I am not a supporter of the party, but the media has been unkind to them than they deserve. And for what it is worth, that party had brought the best relation between the nations. And Advani had infamously even praised Jinnah which became a controversy. So understand the facts with a cool mind.

The point on terrorism is that Pakistan's inconsistency is shown by the fact that is readily attacks anti-NATO terrorists but does not do anything to bring anti-Indian terrorists to justice. Come on, let's not kid ourselves that Hafiz Saeed and all are innocent till proven guilty. That is a legal loophole that all criminals and the Pakistani government are exploiting. But no one with a sane heart can ever endorse all that nonsense he preaches.

 

[MilesTogo]

Aren' there many threads here stating India's weapons are a waste? So, what's the concern?

 

[gen x]

Indian military is in phase of modernization and in 2020-2025 they will be rocking

 

[ADT]

Stop trolling please, India is on the right track and we are moving forward. Quite unlike some of our other neighbors.

Soon India is going to be a world economic power.

 

[Cheetah786]

New Delhi: Pakistan warned Thursday that India's huge military modernization programme posed a serious threat to stability in a "nuclearized" South Asian region.

"New war doctrines, tremendous boost to the defence spending, induction of new sophisticated weapons systems, these are elements that are prejudicial to regional security and stability," Pakistan Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir said.

His comments followed talks in New Delhi with his Indian counterpart Nirupama Rao -- the first direct discussions between the nuclear-armed South Asian rivals since the 2008 Mumbai
attacks.

India, which last month inducted its longest range nuclear-tipped missile into the army, has plans to spend up to 30 billion dollars on its military by 2012.

India is scheduled to unveil its 2010-2011 defence budget on Friday, which was jacked up by 24 percent to 1.42 trillion rupees (28.4 billion dollars) the previous year.

Bashir described as "irresponsible," Indian army chief Deepak Kapoor's comments in December that India must be prepared to fight simultaneous wars on "two fronts" -- a clear reference to Pakistan and China.

India has fought three wars with Pakistan since independence in 1947 and a brief but bitter war with China in 1962 over a border dispute which remains unresolved.

"We have drawn the attention of the international community to the importance of preserving the regional balance between Pakistan and India," Bashir said.

"This is a nuclearised region and it is important that Pakistan and India engage meaningfully on the whole range of issues under regional peace and security," he added.

we have learned from the masters ''indians'' and just playing the same crying game you have been for long time i am not sure why indians are bothered by it you have been doing this for ever weapon we try to purchase.

Game of politics its about time pakistan is starting to play it from indian reaction i think we score.

 

[karan.1970]

we have learned from the masters ''indians'' and just playing the same crying game you have been for long time i am not sure why indians are bothered by it you have been doing this for ever weapon we try to purchase.

Game of politics its about time pakistan is starting to play it from indian reaction i think we score.

Before congratulating yourself on the score, just check historically on the number of arms sales to India getting blocked vs the same figure for Pakistan...