Indian-made Helmet Mounted Display (HMD), Topsight-1 detailed

[Screaming Skull]

India's Own Helmet-Mounted Display Detailed​

 

[qsaark]

It is far from India's own. It is a joint venture between Samtel and Thales. Don't use words that make people laugh at you. Just say India is working on a HMD in collaboration with Thales. Eventually you will reach to a point where you will be able to design your very own HMDs, but until than, acknowledge the contribution of others.

 

[Screaming Skull]

It is far from India's own. It is a joint venture between Samtel and Thales. Don't use words that make people laugh at you. Just say India is working on a HMD in collaboration with Thales. Eventually you will reach to a point where you will be able to design your very own HMDs, but until than, acknowledge the contribution of others.

Dear Sir, I had expected better from you. If only you had done a little search about the FDI policy in defence in India you would have known that the GoI allows only 26% foreign investment in defence. Therefore, Thales holds only 26% stake in Samtel-Thales avionics. Meaning it is very much an Indian company and the profits will be shared in the same ratio of ownership. Hell, even the board of directors is Indian and it is registered in India and hiring Indian talent.

No one, is denying Thales cooperation and input in the development of the HMD. But, technically, I am not wrong when I say it is India's very own!

Here is what Samtel-Thales Avionics says officially-

"Samtel Thales Avionics is a joint venture between Samtel and Thales, and brings Thales' technological expertise to India through Thales' multi-domestic strategy of partnering with leading industry players across the world. The JV will work towards the local development, production, sale and maintenance of Helmets Mounted Sight & Display (HMSD) and other Avionics Systems destined for the Indian market. Samtel Thales Avionics will become the design authority for products and equipment developed and manage them through their entire life cycle."

Note the words- "Local development"

So, if I have convinced you, I would request you to edit the tone of your post.

Thanx!

 

[Joshi]

It is far from India's own. It is a joint venture between Samtel and Thales. Don't use words that make people laugh at you. Just say India is working on a HMD in collaboration with Thales. Eventually you will reach to a point where you will be able to design your very own HMDs, but until than, acknowledge the contribution of others.

The helmets are MADE IN INDIA.

There is a difference between 'Indian-made' and 'Made by India'.

The poster clearly says 'Indian made', which in plain English means that these helmets are made in India, which also implies, NOT necessarily by India.

 

[qsaark]

The poster also says the following in plain English:

Based on Thales advanced and mature technologies.

So credit of both the advancement and the maturity goes to Thales, not to India.

When you make something that is based on your own technology, than claim 'India's own'.

 

[Screaming Skull]

The poster also says the following in plain English:

Based on Thales advanced and mature technologies.

So credit of both the advancement and the maturity goes to Thales, not to India.

When you make something that is based on your own technology, than claim 'India's own'.

It says 'based on' agreed! But doesn't say 'only based on'. As I said, the JV has only 26% Thales stake in it. If the HMD is completely based on Thales tech why would they form such a JV with only 26% stake. Why not sell their HMDs and make 100% profits! If you are here only for an argument then we can go on and on. I mentioned before, I am not denying Thales involvement in the HMD, but officially they acknowledge that it is developed and produced in India and if go a step further, it was developed and produced using Indian faculties! period

 

[qsaark]

It says 'based on' agreed! But doesn't say 'only based on'. As I said, the JV has only 26% Thales stake in it. If the HMD is completely based on Thales tech why would they form such a JV with only 26% stake. Why not sell their HMDs and make 100% profits! If you are here only for an argument then we can go on and on. I mentioned before, I am not denying Thales involvement in the HMD, but officially they acknowledge that it is developed and produced in India and if go a step further, it was developed and produced using Indian faculties! period

Look dear, the 26% you refer to may be the price of the Intellectual Property Right and that also only for the stuff that is made in India for Indian consumption. Now rest of it goes to India because of the manufacturing facilities will be in India, the workmanship will be Indian, even the raw material will be Indian and hence a large chunk goes to India. It is not like assembling those HMDs from the kits bought from Thales. Now because the technology belongs to Thales, it is not Indian so it can not be called 'India's own'.

 

[Screaming Skull]

Look dear, the 26% you refer to may be the price of the Intellectual Property Right and that also only for the stuff that is made in India for Indian consumption. Now rest of it goes to India because of the manufacturing facilities will be in India, the workmanship will be Indian, even the raw material will be Indian and hence a large chunk goes to India. It is not like assembling those HMDs from the kits bought from Thales. Now because the technology belongs to Thales, it is not Indian so it can not be called 'India's own'.

By using the words 'may be' in your post you have lost your case.

Now let me clarify as to how defence JVs work in India. Samtel is an Indian company! Registered in India. Check out these links for more info on their capabilities, traditional products and expertise etc.

Samtel Group

Samtel Engineering Services - Engineering Excellence

Samtel Display Systems

Now, Samtel-Thales is altogether a different company. It is neither Samtel nor Thales! It is a JV between these two companies of two nationalities but registered and headquartered in India and nowhere else in the world! It is listed separately in the stock market as an Indian entity with the major partner (Indian in this case) controlling 74% of the stake. So, any product coming out of this company is a property of Samtel-Thales which has complete control over the product, its marketing etc.

I request you not to confuse between ToT issues. ToT happens only when country A buys a product from country B and country B allows the production of the product in country A. That is not the case here. Here we have a company that comes up with a product to compete in the market. Forget about manufacturing and assembling! No one even knows if it will be even accepted by the defence forces.

 

[Screaming Skull]

The poster also says the following in plain English:

Based on Thales advanced and mature technologies.

So credit of both the advancement and the maturity goes to Thales, not to India.

When you make something that is based on your own technology, than claim 'India's own'.

Since, you attached so much importance to the words "Based on......" in the posted pics, look below the name of the HMD, it says- "Indian Helmet Mounted Sight and Display for fighter aircraft" in 'plain English' too. Guess that seals the case in my favor.

If not here is the original pdf!
http://www.samteldisplays.com/cache/HMD_leaflet.pdf
Guess what? It is hosted on Samtel's website! Meaning Samtel has already started marketing it and you don't market something that you don't own!!

 

[BSF]

Look dear, the 26% you refer to may be the price of the Intellectual Property Right and that also only for the stuff that is made in India for Indian consumption. Now rest of it goes to India because of the manufacturing facilities will be in India, the workmanship will be Indian, even the raw material will be Indian and hence a large chunk goes to India. It is not like assembling those HMDs from the kits bought from Thales. Now because the technology belongs to Thales, it is not Indian so it can not be called 'India's own'.

NO offense meant dear ..but there is no point reinventing the wheel ,is it?
We now have a proper HMD ...which is made in India, we will have no spare parts issue or s/w issues with it ,we can manufacture at will, develop at will and integrate it at will ...so that is a good option..Don't you think.

 

[rhythm_guy]

awh it means Paks illegally imported tch which they claim thier own not belongstothem......cool atlast they accepted the truth....

 

[notting hill]

awh it means Paks illegally imported tch which they claim thier own not belongstothem......cool atlast they accepted the truth....

dude . you should edit your statement... its not some individual that you are referring to .. the word is PAKISTAN so your fellow forum colleagues expect respect . remember which forum you are on and the matter goes beyond forums.. plz understand that there are sensibilities involved here ..besides that i dont see you adding anything meaningful with your post here unlike screaming skull and qsaark..

 

[Munir]

Well, some might make their own conclusions but who do you think build this helmet? Thales or India? And if you guys are so sure then jus read the statement:

he JV will work towards the local development, production, sale and maintenance of Helmets Mounted Sight & Display (HMSD) and other Avionics Systems destined for the Indian market.

Will work towards...

 

[Screaming Skull]

Well, some might make their own conclusions but who do you think build this helmet? Thales or India? And if you guys are so sure then jus read the statement:

he JV will work towards the local development, production, sale and maintenance of Helmets Mounted Sight & Display (HMSD) and other Avionics Systems destined for the Indian market.

Will work towards...

Dude this JV was formed way back in 2007. That s when that statement was released. They 'worked towards' developing the HMD for two years now and finally it has been built in 2009!

Since, you are/were at the Paris airshow, I suggest you visit the Samtel stall where they are displaying this HMD and get things clarified yourself.

 

[notting hill]

Samtel Display Systems (SDS), a key Indian player in high-technology products for commercial and military avionics applications, will be showing a strong presence at Le Bourget 2009, the world’s premiere Airshow. This event being organized by GIFAS (Groupement des Industries Françaises Aéronautiques et Spatiales) will see Samtel presenting its range of world-class avionics products.

As Puneet Kaura, Executive Director (SDS) points out, “As the Indian aerospace industry embarks on an intensive modernization campaign, Samtel Display Systems is ready to provide perfect solutions and partnerships for all avionics requirements. We hope to continue to help India in developing a strengthened aerospace industry and foster an environment in which transatlantic and other industrial partnerships can focus on delivering the most advanced systems in the most cost effective manner. “

Flying high on partnerships with leaders such as Thales, Honeywell and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, Samtel will be showcasing its coveted range of reference products like FCD66 MKII, EFIS 40, HMSD, MFD55 and MFD68 at their stand no. E-16 in Hall 4.

Full Color Display FCD66 MKII by Samtel and Thales for Airbus

The FCD66 MKII is a CRT (cathode ray tube) based full colour display manufactured by Samtel integrated in a 6x6 Thales display unit for Airbus aircraft. This CRT has been specified under strict supervision by Thales to match the most stringent specifications and quality requirements of Air Transport requirement. The FCD66 MKII is designed for installation on an aircraft instrument panel to display color piloting and navigation aid data as well as system and warning parameters. It displays multiple and variable parameters, synthesizing a large quantity of data and combining the data used in the various phases of flight for display in different colors. Equipped with special features that include High Resolution, High Brightness and Contrast according to application requirements, the product is airworthy and has been designed especially for airborne requirements. The FCD conforms to extreme Environmental test conditions viz. -- Vibration and shock up to 0.02 g2/Hz random in each axis, Temperature ranging from –55 to + 85 deg.C, Humidity -- 95%, and altitude up to 20,000 meters. Live demo of this product will be available at the Samtel booth.

EFIS40 by Honeywell and Samtel

The Electronic Flight Instrument System, EFIS40, with a 4”x4” screen is a compact, high-performance system developed specifically for aircraft accommodating 4-inch instruments. Being developed by Honeywell and Samtel, the product is designed with analog and digital interfaces, and shows bright, clear displays in easy-to-read, easy-to-understand formats. It also includes an advanced self-test capability. The product conforms to Environmental test conditions, including temperature variations from 40°C to +85°C, maximum altitude of 55,000 ft., and high resolution. The product is also ruggedized for vibration, shock and crash safety. Live demo of this product will be available at the Samtel booth.

The Multi-Functional display (MFD)

It is a device that paints a composite view of the aircraft’s environment, providing the pilot with all necessary information to make safe decisions during every phase of flight.
 MFD55 – the 5”x5” screen MFD developed by Samtel under the aegis of DRDO, and manufactured by the Samtel HAL JV has been certified for airworthiness and is flying currently on Sukhoi 30 MKIs. The live demo of this product will be displayed at the Samtel booth under the Samtel HAL collaboration header.

• MFD68 – the 6”x8”screen MFD developed by Samtel Display Systems at its AS9100 certified and MIL qualified facilities will also be put on live demo. This product has undergone a high-end ruggedisation process in-house to enable operations at very high standards of reliability under extremely adverse environmental conditions to withstand Extended temperatures, Extreme shock and vibration, and make them suitable for High altitude avionics, Night Vision, High brightness/ high contrast sunlight readable.


Helmet-mounted Sight and Display System by Samtel-Thales Avionics -

A Helmet mounted display (HMD) is a device used in some modern aircraft, especially combat aircraft. HMDs project information on an aircrew’s helmet visor, thereby allowing him to obtain situational awareness and/or cue weapons systems to the direction his head is pointing.

Samtel and Thales signed a joint venture in 2008 to work towards the local development, production, sale and maintenance of Helmets Mounted Sight & Display (HMSD) and other Avionics Systems destined for the Indian market. A mock-up of the HMSD will be available at the Samtel booth at the Paris Air Show. The HMSD – named TopSight-I – is based on Thales’s advanced and proven technologies and is suited for all Indian fighter aircraft.

About Samtel Display systems

Samtel Display Systems (SDS) is a key Indian player in high-technology products for commercial and military avionics applications in both Indian and international markets.SDS straddles the entire value chain from design, development, manufacture, testing, qualification, repair & maintenance and obsolescence management of avionics products and equipment for military as well as commercial aircraft. Its products include Color Avionic Tubes (CAT), Multi Function Displays (MFD), Head Up Displays (HUD), Helmet Mounted Displays (HMD), Automated Test Equipments (ATE) and IADS, as well as Control Displays for Armored Military Vehicles. SDS is a part of the Samtel Group, India’s largest integrated manufacturer of a wide range of displays for television, avionics, industrial, medical and professional applications, TV glass, components for displays, machinery and engineering services.


Samtel Display Systems showcases India?s avionics capabilities at Le Bourget, June 15-21 2009 - Free-Press-Release.com


they have some other collabrations too .. seems like an arrangement on the lines of their agreement with russia for brahmos.. based on russian missile tech but developed and marketed by both the countries ..