Indian LCH, new threat for Pakistan in Siachin and Kashmir?

[LeGenD]

bro i know but i think you don't know but cobras armament is better

• 20 mm (0.787 in) M197 3-barreled Gatling cannon in the A/A49E-7 turret (750 rounds ammo capacity)
• 2.75 in (70 mm) Hydra 70 or APKWS II[49] rockets - Mounted in LAU-68C/A (7 shot) or LAU-61D/A (19 shot) launchers
• 5 in (127 mm) Zuni rockets - 8 rockets in two 4-round LAU-10D/A launchers
• TOW missiles - Up to 8 missiles mounted in two 4-round XM65 missile launchers, one on each outboard hardpoint
• AGM-114 Hellfire missiles - Up to 8 missiles mounted in two 4-round M272 missile launchers, one on each outboard hardpoint
• AIM-9 Sidewinder anti-aircraft missiles - 1 mounted on each outboard hardpoint (total of 2)

Sidewinders

Bro,

All of that armament is not loaded at the same time on a single unit. Mission priorities determine armament (types) to be used, since an attack helicopter have a limited capacity.

AH-64 Apache attack helicopter have been developed for a reason. You won't find a direct comparison of design and capabilities of these two attack helicopters easily but AH-64 Apache is a holistically superior design.

AH-64 Apache standard armament:

• 30 mm automatic M230 chain gun (1200 rounds ammo capacity)
• AGM-114D Hellfire missiles (min = 8; max = 16)*
• 2.75 in (70 mm) Hydra-70 rockets (M261 19-tube rocket launchers x 2) - OPTIONAL
• AIM-92 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles (4 in total)

NOTE: Armaments can be modified according to mission priorities.

*Expected to be replaced by JAGM in the near future. 16 missiles can be loaded with exclusion of Hydra-70 rockets.

AH-64 Apache really shines in the aspects of targeting systems, guidance systems, defensive measures and performance. In-fact, AH-64 Apache have been designed for heavy attack roles because it can remain operational even after sustaining heavy damage. When US army is on the offensive against a powerful foe, it prefers to use these attack helicopters.

AH-64 Apache sensors:

• Northrop Grumman millimeter-wave Longbow radar (Tracking capacity of ~256 targets simultaneously)
• Arrowhead (integrated) target acquisition and night-vision system (M-TADS/PNVS)

AH-64 Apache countermeasures:

• Exelis AN/ALQ-211(V)1 countermeasures set
• Exelis AN/ALQ-136(V)2 radar pulse jammer

AH-64 Apache performance:

• Turbo-shaft engines x 2 (1265 kW output of each engine)
• 889m per second climb rate
• 284 km per hour (speed)
• 1900 km (ferry range)
• 6400 km (service ceiling)
• Maximum take-off weight 10433 kg

NOTE: Latest AH-64 Apache model (designated as "E") is being equipped with engines of 1990 kW output each. Its performance is holistically (noticeably) better then the performance-related information provided above.

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The original AH-1 Cobra attack helicopter have been significantly enhanced under the alias SuperCobra to enable it to compete with modern threats. In short, AH-1 SuperCobra is a class apart from the original AH-1 Cobra. Its cost-to-performance ratio makes it very practical for armed forces with limited funds. However, US is currently developing a new AH-1 Cobra model named Viper.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Bro,

All of that armament is not loaded at the same time on a single unit. Mission priorities determine armament (types) to be used, since an attack helicopter have a limited capacity.

AH-64 Apache attack helicopter have been developed for a reason. You won't find a direct comparison of design and capabilities of these two attack helicopters easily but AH-64 Apache is a holistically superior design.

AH-64 Apache standard armament:

• 30 mm automatic M230 chain gun (1200 rounds ammo capacity)
• AGM-114D Hellfire missiles (min = 8; max = 16)*
• 2.75 in (70 mm) Hydra-70 rockets (M261 19-tube rocket launchers x 2) - OPTIONAL
• AIM-92 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles (4 in total)

NOTE: Armaments can be modified according to mission priorities.

*Expected to be replaced by JAGM in the near future. 16 missiles can be loaded with exclusion of Hydra-70 rockets.

AH-64 Apache really shines in the aspects of targeting systems, guidance systems, defensive measures and performance. In-fact, AH-64 Apache have been designed for heavy attack roles because it can remain operational even after sustaining heavy damage. When US army is on the offensive against a powerful foe, it prefers to use these attack helicopters.

AH-64 Apache sensors:

• Northrop Grumman millimeter-wave Longbow radar (Tracking capacity of ~256 targets simultaneously)
• Arrowhead (integrated) target acquisition and night-vision system (M-TADS/PNVS)

AH-64 Apache countermeasures:

• Exelis AN/ALQ-211(V)1 countermeasures set
• Exelis AN/ALQ-136(V)2 radar pulse jammer

AH-64 Apache performance:

• Turbo-shaft engines x 2 (1265 kW output of each engine)
• 889m per second climb rate
• 284 km per hour (speed)
• 1900 km (ferry range)
• 6400 km (service ceiling)
• Maximum take-off weight 10433 kg

NOTE: Latest AH-64 Apache model (designated as "E") is being equipped with engines of 1990 kW output each. Its performance is holistically (noticeably) better then the performance-related information provided above.

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The original AH-1 Cobra attack helicopter have been significantly enhanced under the alias SuperCobra to enable it to compete with modern threats. In short, AH-1 SuperCobra is a class apart from the original AH-1 Cobra. Its cost-to-performance ratio makes it very practical for armed forces with limited funds. However, US is currently developing a new AH-1 Cobra model named Viper.

so tell mehow much and which one's you have i mean attack hellies do you have cobra or super cobra and how many

 

[LeGenD]

so tell mehow much and which one's you have i mean attack hellies do you have cobra or super cobra and how many

Pakistan military forces have (38) AH-1 Cobra in service. However, Pakistan will receive (15) latest AH-1 Viper attack helicopters and.1000 Hellfire missiles in the near future.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Pakistan military forces have 38 AH-1 Cobra in service. However, it is in the process of acquiring 15 AH-1 Viper. Pakistan will also receive 1000 Hellfire missiles.

so will you be getting more cobra's or super cobra's and what models i mean manufactured in which year

 

[LeGenD]

so will you be getting more cobra's or super cobra's and what models i mean manufactured in which year

There are 3 models:

• AH-1 Cobra
• AH-1 SuperCobra
• AH-1Z Viper

AH-1Z Viper is the most advanced attack helicopter within AH-1 series.

Pakistani armed forces have (38) AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters in its inventory currently. However, Pakistan will receive (15) AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters along with 1000 Hellfire missiles from US in the near future.

 

[GURU DUTT]

There are 3 models:

• AH-1 Cobra
• AH-1 SuperCobra
• AH-1Z Viper

AH-1Z Viper is the most advanced attack helicopter within AH-1 series.

Pakistani armed forces have (38) AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters in its inventory currently. However, Pakistan will receive (15) AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters along with 1000 Hellfire missiles from US in the near future.

and when "will" you get them and under what conditions ... waise how do you compare AH-1Z Viper with AH 64 E Apaches

 

[Blue Marlin]

Well we can get this as answer WZ-19 Light Attack Helicopter


The new squadron of WZ-10 inducted by China has wz 16 engine and lots of other upgradations



The new squadron of WZ-10 inducted by China has wz 16 engine and lots of other upgradations

not a good idea it service ceiling is to low for siachin . and it's payload is not much either if you compare it to the z10 or lch. the z-10 has a wz-9 engine the wz-16 is not being fitted on the z-10 yet.
check the specs here
Harbin Z-19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
below is a pic of a z-19 it has 4 hardpoints

pic of z-10 with wz-9 engine

 

[LeGenD]

and when "will" you get them and under what conditions ... waise how do you compare AH-1Z Viper with AH 64 E Apaches

Here: DoD awards Pakistan AH-1Z contract - IHS Jane's 360

AH-1Z Viper contains elements of AH-64 Apache for enhanced performance and firepower.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Here: DoD awards Pakistan AH-1Z contract - IHS Jane's 360

AH-1Z Viper contains elements of AH-64 Apache for enhanced performance and firepower.

but AH-64 E apache is better than anything else isnt it

 

[LeGenD]

but AH-64 E apache is better than anything else isnt it

It is the best attack helicopter in the world.

 

[GURU DUTT]

It is the best attack helicopter in the world.

an we are going to have them which will be complemented /accompnied by LCH

 

[LeGenD]

an we are going to have them which will be complemented /accompnied by LCH

India spends 38 billion USD for its security-related matters (annually) and its strong economy makes it an ideal market for foreign investment. Therefore, it is not surprising that India is getting some fantastic toys to ensure superiority of its armed forces in the region.

Pakistan have adopted the doctrine of minimum but credible deterrence due to its limited resources. Idea is to make a (potential) invasion costly for the enemy. On top of this, is the nuclear (weapons) program which is intended to discourage a full-scale conflict in the first place. So even if Indian armed forces are more powerful, a full-scale war between India and Pakistan will be destructive for both and unlikely.

On numerical and qualitative terms, Indian armed forces may have the edge but Pakistani deterrence remains credible. India has to develop the capability to somehow negate Pakistani (nuclear) deterrence before it has a chance to make use of its greatest toys, but easier said then done.

At maximum, a limited conventional engagement can be expected in the sea and disputed areas. So even if India uses its best toys in these engagements, what will it gain out of it?

 

[GURU DUTT]

India spends 38 billion USD for its security-related matters (annually) and its strong economy makes it an ideal market for foreign investment. Therefore, it is not surprising that India is getting some fantastic toys to ensure superiority of its armed forces in the region.

Pakistan have adopted the doctrine of minimum but credible deterrence due to its limited resources. Idea is to make a (potential) invasion costly for the enemy. On top of this, is the nuclear (weapons) program which is intended to discourage a full-scale conflict in the first place. So even if Indian armed forces are more powerful, a full-scale war between India and Pakistan will be destructive for both and unlikely.

On numerical and qualitative terms, Indian armed forces may have the edge but Pakistani deterrence remains credible. India has to develop the capability to somehow negate Pakistani (nuclear) deterrence before it has a chance to make use of its greatest toys, but easier said then done.

So?

At maximum, a limited conventional engagement can be expected in the sea and disputed areas. So even if India uses its best toys in these engagements, what will it gain out of it?

so hit the enemy where it hurts most

waise sirji thread was about LCH not economy ... waise how many Mi35s and Z10s you have orderred so far

 

[zebra7]

I am not doing comparison Mr as for being better than WZ-19 has carries much more weapons

But the thread is about LCH a threat for pakistan in siachin, you are the one who is bringing WZ-19, Niether IA have WZ-19 nor there is any planto do so. They have LCH and thats what we are discussing. If you feels its have deficiencies state that directly. Now if you feels its not a threat that Good and if you think that its not a thread than More good. What can I add then?

 

[thesolar65]

Whatever the discussion may be, but Pakistani members inadvertently admit that PA was there in Kargil, not some Mujaheddin!!