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Indian Kashmir Singh released after 35 years

So if Indians do something very badly should Pakistan be happy by doing the same less badly.

Why not compare your prisons to say UK ?

Why ACCEPT A bad practice just because your neighbours are equally bad.

Regards

NO one is saying that nor do we practic it.
the plight of Paksitani perisoners released by India was horrible AN as shan said.

I had wacthed their video telecast by channels on their return from India and AN despite being Indian you would have been horrified to see all of them i repeat ALL Of them were mentaly tortured in Indian Jails and NO One of them was normal anymore.
All of these prisoners lost their mental balance hence their release did not bring them or their families any smile rather alot of cries.

As compare to that just go and watch Kashmir Singh speaking to media and is in his senses even after spending 35 years in Pakistani jail.
He is not being tortured by Pakistan unlike India who tortured Pakistanis in jails.
This is enough to prove that my dear Qudrati that we do not practice what is being done by neighbours
 
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he relesed its good step and welcome but not of the army is handle POW as there rights .even US uk we can see what they do in abu ghareeb jail in iraq.so alwayes think your self humen frist and nationalty secend.be a nice humen .
 
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NO one is saying that nor do we practic it.
the plight of Paksitani perisoners released by India was horrible AN as shan said.

I had wacthed their video telecast by channels on their return from India and AN despite being Indian you would have been horrified to see all of them i repeat ALL Of them were mentaly tortured in Indian Jails and NO One of them was normal anymore.
All of these prisoners lost their mental balance hence their release did not bring them or their families any smile rather alot of cries.

As compare to that just go and watch Kashmir Singh speaking to media and is in his senses even after spending 35 years in Pakistani jail.
He is not being tortured by Pakistan unlike India who tortured Pakistanis in jails.
This is enough to prove that my dear Qudrati that we do not practice what is being done by neighbours

Are you suggesting Shan is the omnipresent unseen supernatural force that sees all?

Pakistanis don't torture?

Ask the Indians who were PsW and who were released.

While I appreciate your blind faith, yet it should not make things appear that the Indian prisoners are in Paradise in Pakistani jails!

Pak treatment to prisoners requires no elaboration because of the fact that an important person like Zulfikar could he hanged without a proper and unprejudiced trial!

If that could happen to such an important person, then one wonders how it is for the common prisoners.

Prisons all over the world are bad. Therefore, quit acting as if it is Paradise as far as Pakistan prisons are concerned.

Let's have some sensible discussion that are believable and air views that are not favourable to India; but let logic and sanity not take wings.
 
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For a moment I thought Pakistan has handed over KASHMIR to India.

“Indian Kashmir Singh released after 35 years”

If you look at it swiftly it still looks at “Indian Kashmir released”.

There is no “Pakistan” mentioned in the sentence buddy.
 
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Hi,

Just by looking at him, it seems that he was well fed at least. His voice was strong---there was a lots of confidence in his manner---there was character strength in his walk---this individual was a mentally very strong person---this was not a man broken down by 35 years of prison---don't get me wrong---he will have his issues with freedom. I don't want to see anyone for a non violent offfence to be incarcerated for 35 years.

I think that the pakistani prisoners that we see coming back from india with problems are probably innocent victims of being arrested in the wrong place at the wrong time. Spies are mentally prepared for long sentences---truthfully no one is ready for a long sentence---but being innocent and being at wrong place and then being put in jail alongwith torture by the indians---a bad recipe for physical and mental impairment.
 
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There as a Pakistani prisoner who was made POW in 1965 war (coz he was badly injured) and he was released and he came back to his unit he could not talk (coz Indians had chopped his tongue) and was in a very bad condition.

Pakistani prisoners from Indian jails often are in a very bad condition.
 
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As far as this issue is concerned I would just like to make two points.
First of all wether its India or Pakistan, if either country has a prisoner of war from another country they are bound to be tortured. The reason being they are accused of spying and they have information which the governments want. Since the prisoners usually dont speak that easially they are forced to speak. So I think to say one country is wrong and the other is right I dont think its true. What is wrong is if innocent civilians like usually we here about the fisherman wondering into the other country and lets say if they are accussed of spying and are tortured, this is wrong. I think if someone is to be called a spy the government must have the right evidence of declaring them a spy.
Second of all I think this guy Kashmir Singh has no doubt served a long sentence, I think he has paid for his crime and should of been let go. At the same time their must be hundreds of such cases which must be brought into the open and I think if we really do have people like Kashmir Singh they should be let go.
Now I think 35 years is a long time, I was just wondering why wasn't he executed. I mean I dont mean to sound creul, but lets say if he was guilty, them why wait 35 years too kill him. Isn't that a waste of money. I personally think if someone if sentenced to death their execution should be carried out as fast as possible, I mean after the appeal and their is proof saying that that person is 100% guilty.
 
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There are many Indian PsW in Pakistan jails who have 'vanished'.

Do give the detail of this Pakistani PW whose tongue was cut.
 
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So if Indians do something very badly should Pakistan be happy by doing the same less badly.

Why not compare your prisons to say UK ?

Why ACCEPT A bad practice just because your neighbours are equally bad.

Regards

When i said PA should do the same? And they didn't did the same compared to IA. Why you Indians are always funding excuses?
 
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When i said PA should do the same? And they didn't did the same compared to IA. Why you Indians are always funding excuses?

By the same token, why are you stating things that you cannot substantiate with facts to prove that Indians tortured.
 
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There are many Indian PsW in Pakistan jails who have 'vanished'.
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What proof you have that Indian PoW are in Pakistani jails ??????

Ansar Burney visited almost all the jails and did not find them.

If one Kashmir Khan can be located do you think MANY could not be ??
 
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There are many Indian PsW in Pakistan jails who have 'vanished'.QUOTE]

Like wise their are many Pakistanis in Indian jails. Look I am not denying your claim your claims are true and my claims are also true. I think it is about time prisoners from both sides be released. I think especially the soldiers who were caught during 70s because they have suffered already for very long and they are probably of no good use to either country.
 
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Pakistan asks India to release 508 Pakistanis

PESHAWAR: Care-taker Law Minister of NWFP Mian Mohammad Ajmal said that there were 508 Pakistanis in Indian jails and most of them have completed their sentence. Talking with Geo News in Peshawar, Mian Mohammad Ajmal said that most of the 508 prisoners have not been released despite completing their sentence in the Indian jails. He said that there are 445 Indians including 392 fishers are in the Pakistani prisons. The care-taker law minister told that the lists of the prisoners would be exchanged from both sides by March 31. The procedure of the release of the prisoners has been discussed in the recent meeting of the Pakistan-India Judicial Committee and in this connection the members of the Indian Judicial Committee will come to Pakistan next month. The care-taker minister termed the release of Kashmir Singh a pleasant move.

Courtesy Geo
 
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What proof you have that Indian PoW are in Pakistani jails ??????

Ansar Burney visited almost all the jails and did not find them.

If one Kashmir Khan can be located do you think MANY could not be ??

A question with a question?

But then aren't you a journalist?

You should be watching world news. You should be the one who would have 'sources'. You are supposed to have contacts with the international journalists. You don't seem to have any.

Heard of Damayanti Tambe's (nee Subedar) husband Flt Lt Tambe? She was India No 1 Badminton player. I know her. Ask her and also ask the Indian journalists.

I don't want to get into these murky details since it does no good here on the forum as we are not the govt and can do damn all.

But wild allegations as the 'truth' is indeed what requires to be nipped in the bud.

But since you wish to know, here is a newspaper report.

Where are the PoWs if not in Pakistani prisons?

Tribune News Service

New Delhi, July 20

Relatives of Indian prisoners of war today claimed that they have ample evidence about the existence of their loved ones in Pakistani prisons for the past three decades.

The evidence include reports emerging from Pakistani media to letters written by some PoWs to their parents.

— Radio Pakistan had reported the capture of Indian soldiers during the 1971 war and was widely reported in the media there.

— Former BBC correspondent Victoria Schoffield, while researching the circumstances under which former Pakistan Prime Minister Z.A. Bhutto was executed in 1978, in her book, “Bhutto’s Trial and Execution”, wrote that at one point of time Bhutto was confined to Kot Lakhpat jail.
Here, he openly complained of not being able to sleep because of horrific shrieks and screams at night. One of Bhutto’s lawyers later investigated the source of the screams and “ascertained that they were in fact Indian prisoners of war who had been rendered delinquent and mental during the course of the 1971 war.”


The reason that these PoWs were still in Pakistan, Bhutto’s lawyer found, was that the Indian Government would not accept these lunatics, who had no recollection of their place of origin, and so they were retained as prisoners in Kot Lakhpat,” wrote Schoffield.

— Former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto during the SAARC summit in 1989 had reportedly informed Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi that 43 Indian prisoners were there in Pakistani jails.

— Mohanlal Bhaskar, former Indian spy, who spent several years in Pakistani prison and later wrote a book “I spied for India” wrote that he met several Indian defence personnel during his stay in different Pakistani jails.

— Rooplal, the spy who returned to country after spending over two decades in Pakistani jail, claimed to have met several Indian prisoners in Pakistani jail.

— Letter written by Major A.K. Suri to his father from his cell in Pakistan.

“If they are not in Pakistan, then where else could they be,” asked Col R.K. Pattu, president, Missing Defence Personnel Relatives Association.

Pakistan Interior Minister’s statement that there were no Indian prisoners of war (PoWs) in Islamabad has evoked strong reaction from the families of the prisoners, who have been waiting for the return of the loved ones for the past 30 years.

Pakistan Interior Minister Tasneem Noorani has said “we do not have any such (PoWs) in our jails.”

“A total of 135 Indian nationals were found detained in different Pakistani jails. Not only that none of them was a PoW, but also over 70 of them were waiting for the Indian Government to take them back,” he said.

The minister’s remark comes within days of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf stating that he would look into the (PoW) matter. Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee raised the issue during his talks with Musharraf in Agra.

Indicating that Pakistan would again check the presence of Indian PoWs in their prisons, Noorani said “if they (India or relatives of missing soldiers) have any clue they should pass it to us.”

Col Pattu said Pakistan radio had reported the capture of these PoWs during the 1971 war, newspapers in Islamabad had identified the capture of Indian prisoners, Western journalists who toured the Pakistani prisons had written about having met them, Indian prisoners released have narrated the presence of other fellow countrymen in Pakistani jails.

“It is for Pakistan to state what happened to Indian prisoners captured in war, where they are, what condition they are,” he said.

Stating the Pakistan faces a discomforting situation as it cannot accept the existence of PoWs in their custody, as it would tantamount to violating the Geneva Convention, he said “the families of PoWs are ready to accept their loved ones in whatever shape they are and whatever allegations are levelled against them.”

“Let them be labelled as spy, smuggler or any other terminology, but let them be released. They have already spent more than 30 years in prison. Even for a murder, the maximum sentence is 14 years and these PoWs have been in Pakistani prisons for more than double that period,” he said.

The most serious blunder of the then Indira Gandhi Congress government was that India should have retained at least 1,000 Pakistani prisoners of war till the 54 Indians in custody across the border were returned.

If India had only adopted such a strategy, New Delhi would have been in a stronger position in ensuring the repatriation of Indian prisoners of war.

With the fall of Dhaka in the eastern theatre of war during the 1971 Indo-Pak conflict, 93,000 soldiers and civilians working for the Pakistan defence establishment in erstwhile East Pakistan under Lt-Gen A.A.K. Niazi surrendered to Indian Eastern Army commander Lt-Gen Jasjit Singh Aurora.

As a consequence of this serious lapse the Union Government has to squarely “bear the responsibility” for the Indian PoWs still languishing in Pakistan even 30 years after the Indo-Pak war, emphasises India’s former High Commissioner to Islamabad G Parthasarathy.

He said there appeared to be a “series of evidence” in the form of letters with the parents of “services prisoners” or Indian prisoners of war in jails in Pakistan since 1971.
A pained Mr Parthasarathy told The Tribune that the traumatic issue of Indian PoWs in Pakistan had been subsequently taken up at the summit as well as various other levels.

He said: “We have always drawn a blank as far as the Pakistani authorities are concerned though it is no secret that there are some security prisoners, a euphemism for those held under the charges of espionage.”

Mr Parthasarathy said whenever India had raised the issue of PoWs at the summit and Foreign Secretaries level, Pakistan had come back and said there were no PoWs in that country.

However, it may be recalled that at the summit in Lahore in 1999 hailing the Lahore bus yatra, it was decided by Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and his Pakistani host and counterpart Nawaz Sharif to constitute a two-member ministerial committee to look into the long standing PoWs issue.

This committee was to be at the level of Ministers of State of External Affairs and Vijayaraje Scindia who held the portfolio at that time was the Indian representative.

It was agreed that Ms Scindia would go to Pakistan with the family members of PoWs still languishing in prisons in that country. But the trip failed to materialise because within a few months of February 1999 Lahore Declaration the Kargil conflict broke out.

Mr Parthasarathy was of the firm opinion that considering General Pervez Musharraf’s positive response to trace the PoWs if they are still in Pakistani prisons, the families of these servicemen should be put on a services flight at the same time that Union External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh pays an official visit to Pakistan at the invitation of his Pakistani counterpart Abdul Sattar.

“We have not done enough for these traumatic families whose dear ones and in most cases the breadwinner has remained a PoW for an interminably long period of three decades,” Mr Parthasarathy said in an emotional vein.

He felt this issue of Indian PoWs should also be taken up forcefully with the Pakistan Human Rights Commission (PHRC). Mr Parthasarathy drew pointed attention to Brig Rao Hamid who had rendered yeoman’s service in this regard.
The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News

Note Ms Jana, the Pakistani sources are quoted including Pakistan Govt Radio and sources.

You are so blind that you do not know what your OWN govt has to say and you are a journalist.

Does indicate your partisan outlook and you lack of facts and information!
 
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A question with a question?

But then aren't you a journalist?

You should be watching world news. You should be the one who would have 'sources'. You are supposed to have contacts with the international journalists. You don't seem to have any.

:) Again Sir Brigadier as usual your favourit time pass. Resorting to personal attacks like Kids ;)

I don't want to get into these murky details since it does no good here on the forum as we are not the govt and can do damn all.

But wild allegations as the 'truth' is indeed what requires to be nipped in the bud.

Well Sir do post it who knows if there are any "PoW" they might be benefited from it.


But since you wish to know, here is a newspaper report.

Arn't you the one who does not believe in Journalists and Newspapers and call them as Vultures. So whats the credibility on your part to quote them in the first place.


Note Ms Jana, the Pakistani sources are quoted including Pakistan Govt Radio and sources.

You are so blind that you do not know what your OWN govt has to say and you are a journalist.

Does indicate your partisan outlook and you lack of facts and information!


And who are these soruces.????

The Radio Pakistan ??? :) Ok for a minute assume what the Indian newspaper said about Radio Pakistan is right. Then where is the proof that Radio Pakistan said that?????

Now lets comment on the news report you posted.
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Where are the PoWs if not in Pakistani prisons?

Tribune News Service

New Delhi, July 20

Relatives of Indian prisoners of war today claimed that they have ample evidence about the existence of their loved ones in Pakistani prisons for the past three decades.

First of all the news is from 2001. Secondly all those relatives of "PoW" were carried to all Pakistabi Jails recently and all such stuff they called evidence did not work as they did not find any of the war prisoner.


— Radio Pakistan had reported the capture of Indian soldiers during the 1971 war and was widely reported in the media there.

But this newspaper fails to quote the time, date and the respective programme or even news bulleten of the Pakistan Radion wherein it was claimed so.

If it was during the war are soon after the war well something called Propoganda do exist all around to world about casualties, victories, damages and captures.

The reason that these PoWs were still in Pakistan, Bhutto’s lawyer found, was that the Indian Government would not accept these lunatics, who had no recollection of their place of origin, and so they were retained as prisoners in Kot Lakhpat,” wrote Schoffield.

How dose he knew that Indian Govt wont accept them ???
Secondly Bhutto was hanged and all such allegations on part of Bhutto supporters could not be accepted as authentic.

— Former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto during the SAARC summit in 1989 had reportedly informed Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi that 43 Indian prisoners were there in Pakistani jails.

:) Did She say Prisoners or PoW (71) ??????????

There is no mention that she said these 43 Indian prisoners were those who were captured during 71 war. Rather these are ordinary prisoners which are found in jails of Both the countries.

— Mohanlal Bhaskar, former Indian spy, who spent several years in Pakistani prison and later wrote a book “I spied for India” wrote that he met several Indian defence personnel during his stay in different Pakistani jails.
— Rooplal, the spy who returned to country after spending over two decades in Pakistani jail, claimed to have met several Indian prisoners in Pakistani jail.

— Letter written by Major A.K. Suri to his father from his cell in Pakistan.

What was the Indian Government doing despite all above "claims"???

Was it not the responsibility of your government to look for them???


“If they are not in Pakistan, then where else could they be,” asked Col R.K. Pattu, president, Missing Defence Personnel Relatives Association.

killed in the war.
 
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