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It is regrettable to see those who comit crimes get away with it. Read following.

"The Shoe" reaches Incredible India - Reason: Prominent lawmaker slate was wiped clean of death charges of 3,000 Sikhs
You can take this literally or otherwise... "Earth's crammed with heaven, And every common BUSH afire with God: But only he who sees takes off his SHOES", Elizabeth Barrett Browning (English poet & Political thinker 1806-1861)

"First off the mark here was local reporter Jarnail Singh, who got into a heated exchange with Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram this month. At issue was why a prominent lawmaker of the same party was cleared of all charges in the death of 3,000 Sikhs after he was accused of firing up a sectarian mob a quarter of a century ago. As blood pressures soared at the news conference, Singh, himself a Sikh, launched his size-9 Reebok sneaker at the minister, who was standing just five feet away".


Throwing shoes becomes all the rage in India

A recent report on Geo tv which I am trying to locate, showed two Indians, one a police officer and one Dolit who had written books and were Jailed every time they wrote the book.

What king of democracy is it. no freedom of expression, only a show piece to the world.
 
I don't understand you, nothing happened to the journalist who threw the shoe. In fact, i encourage all Indian members to throw shoes at their local politicians, then perhaps they'll understand that we are not happy with the calibre of politicians in this country.

And as far as freedom of expression goes, i don't see it being a problem in the country. You are misinformed if you think we don't have freedom of expression.
 
A recent report on Geo tv which I am trying to locate, showed two Indians, one a police officer and one Dolit who had written books and were Jailed every time they wrote the book.

I have not heard anything like this so far. Request you to kindly provide more details/link for me to know more.

What king of democracy is it. no freedom of expression, only a show piece to the world.

Everybody in India has freedom of expression. In fact it is so fundamentally guaranteed that some people even misuse it. I have neaver heard of a case where somebody is jailed for saying something - except in the times of the infamous emergency.
 
I have not heard anything like this so far. Request you to kindly provide more details/link for me to know more.



Everybody in India has freedom of expression. In fact it is so fundamentally guaranteed that some people even misuse it. I have neaver heard of a case where somebody is jailed for saying something - except in the times of the infamous emergency.

U.R. Wrong sir, the shoe thrower was a Sikh corespondent who was angry at the decision by Indian court when it freed the criminal leader who incited extremists to kill 3000 unarmed Sikhs, the justice is that even courts decide cases based on connections and not fairness.

I am still trying to locate the other case about writers, but why do not you guys believe me, I do not make up thing it is true. Every time i turned around I see very oppressive India, u guys keep saying otherwise. I am not convinced from what i read ans see the conditions of lower class. As a mater of fact i heard that lots of Dolits have converted to Islam in India recently.

Now read this.

Girl sacrificed for good harvest in India



Tuesday, April 28, 2009
NEW DELHI: A 10-year-old girl was beheaded by her grandfather in India’s eastern Orissa state who believed that sowing seeds mixed with her blood would yield a bumper crop, a news report said on Monday.

The incident, spurred by age-old superstitions, took place on Sunday in the tribal region of Sambalpur, 450-km west of state capital Bhubaneshwar, the IANS news agency reported. The barbaric crime was detected after the villagers caught the man Rajesh Hembram and handed him over to the police.

Hembram who owned three acres of farmland, planned in advance to sow seeds mixed with the blood of his granddaughter on Akshaya Tritya on Monday, a day considered auspicious by Hindus, police said.

’He cut off his granddaughter Bernaka Kandulana’s head with an axe in a room when nobody was at home and drained her blood into a pot,’ PC Nayak, a local police inspector told IANS. ’We found some seeds in a steel pot that were mixed with blood,’ he said. Police said the man was arrested and had admitted to his crime. India has a centuries-old tradition of human sacrifices to appease deities, gain prosperity or ward off evil.
 
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I don't understand you, nothing happened to the journalist who threw the shoe. In fact, i encourage all Indian members to throw shoes at their local politicians, then perhaps they'll understand that we are not happy with the calibre of politicians in this country.

And as far as freedom of expression goes, i don't see it being a problem in the country. You are misinformed if you think we don't have freedom of expression.

U do not get the crux of the story, he threw the shoe because the courts freed the criminal leader who incited mobs to kill Sikhs and sported riots against Sikhs openly with his speeches.

Throwing shoe is not the real story, Wake up. See the facts. do not hide the facts behind a shoe.

Another horrific story of Secular India

2 Indian girls burnt alive for visiting boys on Diwali

CLOSE [X] BHIWANI: As Kaluvas, a village just three km from Bhiwani in Haryana, celebrated Diwali, the festive smiles amid the din of firecrackers and ritual
exchange of sweets may just have hidden a horror no one has till now either dared or wanted to speak about.

Almost 13 days after the incident, it now transpires that Rajender Shivran, who claims he couldn’t sleep under the weight of the unspea More..kable crime, had on November 1 given a written complaint to the Bhiwani SP’s office saying two teenaged girls of the Dhanak community were ‘‘attacked by machetes and axes and stones as soon as they got down from a car on Diwali night (October 28).

The villagers had waited for them after getting wind of their movements. They were unconscious, but alive, when some of the men brought out jars of kerosene and set them on fire.’’

The complaint, a copy of which TOI has retrieved, was quite shockingly dismissed by the police who have not acted on it even two weeks after the girls were butchered and burned. More surprisingly, Bhiwani superintendent of police Sanjay Kumer said he hadn’t received any ‘‘written or verbal complaint’’ though Shivran went with his petition right to the SP office.

Shivran, who had sent copies of the complaint to the National Human Rights Commission and the National Commission for Women, DIG and DGP of Haryana, goes on to say in his chilling report that the two girls, whose fathers have been named, were waiting for them to come back after they went to some boys’ house to wish them on Diwali. The enraged family members even chased the car that dropped them home but couldn’t lay their hands on it.

‘‘The girls were alive when someone started pouring kerosene over their bodies. They were then dumped in the cremation ground,’’ the complaint goes on to say. ‘‘Everyone knows about it but is keeping quiet as most are in it together and those who dare to speak about it have been threatened with dire consequences.’’

Sources told TOI that though the Bhiwani police had received the complaint on the same day it was filed and even marked it for verification of facts with a rider to ‘‘report within three days’’, no attempt was made to investigate or even visit Kaluvas. Sanjay Kumar, however, said he has marked an inquiry into the allegations and police teams have been sent to Kaluvas to check out the facts.

But Kaluvas, the village India came to know after local boy Vijender Singh won a boxing bronze in Beijing, is keeping mum about what exactly happened that Diwali night.

The entire village had watched as two young girls were assaulted with sticks and axes, hauled to the cremation ground half-dead and set on fire by their family for the sake of “honour” on Diwali.

The girls had returned from an outing late in the evening, escorted by unidentified men.

The incident had cast a smear on the glory won for Kaluwas in Bhiwani by pugilist Vijender Kumar.

But, in an even more damning evidence of the system’s casual acceptance of the scheduled caste family's act, not even an FIR has been registered in the October 28 incident to date.

Rajender Shivran, a Kaluwas resident, had brought the matter to the notice of the district police in writing on October 30. Copies were sent out to the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), SP, Bhiwani and the National Commission for Women (NCW).

The complaint was formally shown received in the SP's office on November 1 and marked by police officials concerned to SHO, Bhiwani Sadar Police Station, for verification of facts. He was asked to submit a report within three days.

Bhiwani Superintendent of Police, Sanjay Kumar, when confronted by Hindustan Times on Monday, claimed that no written or verbal complaint with regard to the matter had been brought to his notice so far.

“However, I have ordered an inquiry based on a news report published today in a Hindi daily,” Kumar hastened to add.

At Kaluwas, meanwhile, villagers are guarded and vigilant against outsiders, allegedly for fear that word may spread.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...live_for_meeting_boys/articleshow/3697230.cms Less..
 
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You're bit foolish arent you? These things happen in all nations where there is poverty and illiteracy, conditions which breed bigotry and superstition. It happens in Pakistan and Bangladesh as much it happens in India.
 
A recent report on Geo tv which I am trying to locate, showed two Indians, one a police officer and one Dolit who had written books and were Jailed every time they wrote the book.
What king of democracy is it. no freedom of expression, only a show piece to the world
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This is utter rubbish... this is the country where we provide shelter for people expelled for writing books in their own countries. It's sad the same countries proclaim themselves guardian of Human rights...:disagree:

Dear this debate is useless... I can post 1000 of such stories about your beloved country. So chill and use your energy on some more fruitful debate.:cheers:
 
U do not get the crux of the story, he threw the shoe because the courts freed the criminal leader who incited mobs to kill Sikhs and sported riots against Sikhs openly with his speeches.

Throwing shoe is not the real story, Wake up. See the facts. do not hide the facts behind a shoe.

You cannot understand this at all, freedom of speech does not provide right to use violence by any mean. Whatever happened to the person who supported the riots is with in the domain of judiciary. But the guy who has thrown the shoe was released without any charges filed against him.

I just can’t imagine what will happen, if a journalist throw a shoe on Massod/ Zardari/ or other minister in Pakistan .... for what is happening in various province in your country. :tsk:


Another horrific story of Secular India

2 Indian girls burnt alive for visiting boys on Diwali

This happens every where around the word including our neighboring countries at same if not on higher scale. Nemesis has mentioned it his post
These things happen in all nations where there is poverty and illiteracy, conditions which breed bigotry and superstition. It happens in Pakistan and Bangladesh as much it happens in India.
 
You're bit foolish arent you? These things happen in all nations where there is poverty and illiteracy, conditions which breed bigotry and superstition. It happens in Pakistan and Bangladesh as much it happens in India.

What a B.*** calling me foolish dude, u claim India to be haven for freedom dude and look what justice they dished out to Sikhs, this is the justice systems u have, at least our Chief justice went on demos to say he wants Justice system freed in Pakistan and he did, my advice to u who boast so much about freedom is to follow the lead of our chief justice.

And what is this, this one takes the cake, ur Hindu extremist attacking Pakistani journalist visiting India, what a shame. UR claims of freedom of speech are are just that big claims same as your democracy.

Hindu extremists attack Pak journalists in India
Updated at: 1617 PST, Wednesday, April 15, 2009
NEW DELHI: The extremists of a Hindu religious organization, Shri Ram Sena attacked a group of Pakistani journalists here on Wednesday.

According to an Indian news channel, the Shri Ram Sena extremists thronged New Delhi’s International Center where a meeting of Indo-Pak Forum was going on. They thrashed visiting Pakistani journalists and chanted anti-Pakistan slogans. Senior Pakistani journalist Rahimullah Yousufzai was busy going through an article published in an Indian newspapers when the poignant incident took place.

Later, an Indian journalist told Geo news that the person shown in the video footage was a Shri Ram Sena extremist and not a Pakistani journalist.
 
This is utter rubbish... this is the country where we provide shelter for people expelled for writing books in their own countries. It's sad the same countries proclaim themselves guardian of Human rights...:disagree:

Dear this debate is useless... I can post 1000 of such stories about your beloved country. So chill and use your energy on some more fruitful debate.:cheers:

Dude u only provide shelter to those who write against Pakistan to spite Pakistan, when would u guys start telling the truth Dude. Your own writers are jailed dude. All minorities are oppressed, Christians, Sikhs and not to mention Dolits

Yes u can write many stories about Pakistan, and that is not the point dude, the point is that ur country claims to be the haven for freedom of speech and yet ur same as we are, so stop claiming i am holier than thou, and that is the point dude.

watch this video Dude and learn the truth.

 
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What a B.*** calling me foolish dude, u claim India to be haven for freedom dude and look what justice they dished out to Sikhs, this is the justice systems u have, at least our Chief justice went on demos to say he wants Justice system freed in Pakistan and he did, my advice to u who boast so much about freedom is to follow the lead of our chief justice.

Tell me, does criticizing India make you feel better as a Pakistani citizen? Does it reinforce your patriotism? If it does, you really need to reexamine your idea of patriotism.

As far as the sikh riots is concerned, trials for the accused are still in progress. Supreme court has not given a verdict.

And what is this, this one takes the cake, ur Hindu extremist attacking Pakistani journalist visiting India, what a shame. UR claims of freedom of speech are are just that big claims same as your democracy.

Shri Ram sena is an insignificant organization that is trying to make headlines by generating controversy. It's leader Muthalik is considered persona non grata by even fascists like the RSS. According to you, the activities of his organization represent freedom of speech in India??

Look up the word, freedom of speech. It is guaranteed by the Government of India and not by fringe organizations like Ram Sena, these activists you are talking about were arrested.

Anyway, i don't have to defend anything. You can continue to believe India is a fascist dictatorship if it makes you proud to be a Pakistani.
 
Tell me, does criticizing India make you feel better as a Pakistani citizen? Does it reinforce your patriotism? If it does, you really need to reexamine your idea of patriotism.

As far as the sikh riots is concerned, trials for the accused are still in progress. Supreme court has not given a verdict.



Shri Ram sena is an insignificant organization that is trying to make headlines by generating controversy. It's leader Muthalik is considered persona non grata by even fascists like the RSS. According to you, the activities of his organization represent freedom of speech in India??

Look up the word, freedom of speech. It is guaranteed by the Government of India and not by fringe organizations like Ram Sena, these activists you are talking about were arrested.

Anyway, i don't have to defend anything. You can continue to believe India is a fascist dictatorship if it makes you proud to be a Pakistani.

persona non greta, not liked by anyone, what nonsense.

Why the hell you guys don't dish the justice the way he did with poor Sikhs who died due to his inciting the mobs, u should declare him a racist and a criminal, why you can not do that, u boast that your justice system is better then many.

Or is it just another Indian way of Bu*** for others to be convinced of the nonsense. We are not convinced unless u show some fair judicial and political acts, for now your country's act are undemocratic and totally dictatorial as it looks justice has been dictated by rulers to free the criminal. there is no regard for Justice In India, justice is bought by those who have power of politics or money.

Killing of 3000 Sikhs and than freeing the culprit is not a Justice u should be proud of, and don't tell me it was the justice and the judicial system did it, I believe it was a moment of shame to fee a criminal. A shoe is the least thing that should be thrown at him, India if it is a democratic country should throw the book at him so to speak. Legal one i mean.
 
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