Indian investments in Iran and what it means for us?

[B+ Dracula]

how does MFN got anything to do with allowing your trucks in to India ??

Look here a point comes...where we need to Establish DICTUM.....who take a Big Short
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You are a Big Country so naturally Dictum states that you take all the risk of Initiation.....when Principle establish itself after successful experiment ...then other side will take a plunge
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Why you're expecting from 7 times smaller country to pave a way for Giant India....?? why
We take your example with China, what they're investing in our country?..... taking all the risk, paving the way up to Kashaghar?? Now in comparison...what you did for us??
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If Srilanka and Pakistan are at the state of enmity with each other....then onus is upon Pakistan to remove all doubts with Srilankans , hope you understand the Analogy

 

[Jackdaws]

Countries act in their self interest and in the case of army and dictatorial regimes, the rulers act in their own self-interest. Pakistan has never been fully democratic nor has it been a complete military dictatorship. The lack of a continuous form of Government has led to all sort of issues and confusion. What is all this talk of friendship? Utter nonsense - Iran, India and China act in their self-interest - friendship has nothing to do with it. If China saw merit, it would dump Pakistan. It is just about economics, nothing else.

 

[Black Mamba1]

Are we asking any different from you, india is our mortal enemy, we have countered them in Afghanistan and you offer them access to a area bordering balochistan, expecting Pakistan not to act

Strange logic. I am just changing the country names in the same argument. Just see how it looks-

"Are we asking any different from you (China), india Pakistan is our mortal enemy, we have countered them in Bangladesh/Kashmir and you are using Azad Kashmir ( unauthorized encroachment by Pakistan) for Gwadar route and expecting India not to act" It would have been a Ridiculous statement if given by an Indian to China---isn't it?

But moral of the story is if you reserve the right to "act" against Chabahar port, you should remember that the right to act against Gwadar port will also be evaluated by both of your eastern and western neighbors . Please do not forget that three of your neighbors India, Iran and Afghan have strong strategic interest in Chabahar port.

Now more seriously, I believe personally that India, China, Afghan , Iran , Russia should form a common economic block with all transit facility among themselves. This will be game changer in global chess board and will be immensely beneficial to the participating nations

But this will never happen due to Pak Army. I am now quite sure that any prosperity of Pakistan through economic activities ( not through aid) is not in favor of current hegemony of Pak army and landlord nexus and they will prevent it at any cost. Forming a strong Business class lobby will be against their hegemonic interest.

 

[ssethii]

Pakistan has nothing against Iran, we enjoy a good relationship with Iran. The proof is Iran helped us in hard times and likewise we helped Iran through sanctions (state level vo-operation to invest Iranian money using our banks one of our bank got caught, gone bankrupt and recently china was in talks to take over that bank). Iranians should not see through their sectarian hatred to judge our relationship with Saudi Arabia.
Having said that no matter how much we trust Iran, our distrust for Indians will always overshadow it. So we cannot ignore the possibility of Indians poking us from backside sooner or later.

 

[India defense]

Point 1) we've not awarded MFN to India....so no point of Indian truck enter in Pak territory
Point 2) If you've given MFN to pakistan....then open your heart ... kick start trade to build momentum....Trust our Truck Drivers...If anything happens bad....do execute your Veto power.....But that state of mind in first Place appear implausible

Trust is not one sided affair....you are saying since India has given MFN to Pakistan, India should open its all gate for you and Pakistan will remain closed to India....what a trade....

 

[B+ Dracula]

Pakistan has nothing against Iran, we enjoy a good relationship with Iran. The proof is Iran helped us in hard times and likewise we helped Iran through sanctions (state level vo-operation to invest Iranian money using our banks one of our bank got caught, gone bankrupt and recently china was in talks to take over that bank). Iranians should not see through their sectarian hatred to judge our relationship with Saudi Arabia.
Having said that no matter how much we trust Iran, our distrust for Indians will always overshadow it. So we cannot ignore the possibility of Indians poking us from backside sooner or later.

We purchased illegal Iranian Oil ..which benefit both sides

Trust is not one sided affair....you are saying since India has given MFN to Pakistan, India should open its all gate for you and Pakistan will remain closed to India....what a trade....

I think you're not following the theme of discussion, you just landed on last page, Your answer lie in post 104 & 121
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Someone has to take Initiation on Principles , Its up to you to decide out of Love,Affinity

 

[ssethii]

We purchased illegal Iranian Oil ..which benefit both sides

you mean this.

 

[B+ Dracula]

you mean this.

O Yes, its indirect Help to our dear Iranian brothers, when they're rotting in hell of Sanctions

 

[ssethii]

O Yes, its indirect Help to our dear Iranian brothers, when they're rotting in hell of Sanctions

It's nothing compared to that some other players purchased oil from Iran during sanctions.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Because whether you worry or not this is something that is going to happen. India is a rising economical power and their investments&cooperation in Iran are more than welcome as Iran is also going to work to become an economical power.

If you think Iran will not allow economical cooperation with India because some neighbour does not like it then you're deluding yourself.

Chahbahar is one strategic port, one which I feel even China will at some point want to get involved in. So stop your moaning and accept reality. Pakistan should just concentrate on developing its economy. A rising Iranian economy does not have to be bad news for Pakistan, matter of fact it can be a good thing. If you keep a friendly attitude with Iran, which most Pakistanis do, then you will have a large and potential economical power to trade & cooperate with. And don't forget you need Iranian energy.

now thats gonna hurt some egos very very much

There is a limit to brotherhood. We considered Iran and did not send military to help Saudi. But iran is not taking us into consideration.

so in short all this means

tum agar mujhko na chaho to koi baat nahi tum agar gair ko chahogi to mushkil hoghi


but thing is

1. can pakistan bully iran iran and iran will keep quite ?

2. will iran make its plans as per pakistans sensivities with india ?

3.what can /will india do in such a situation ?

what do you think .... honestlli

 

[GURU DUTT]

Personally Iam in favour of India Pakistan Trade Ties....Last night i was watching a Tv-Programme, Insisting on the fact... Sind is enjoying Karachi Port, Balouchistan is enjoying Iran, KPK is enjoying Afghanistan trade route....then why 60% of Pakistani Punjab is not enjoying Trade ties with India....its a natural trade border b/t 2 countries...he also explains a fact....many close Border cities of India have imminent Karachi Port to go outside then Mumbai
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I've very strong Conviction and you as a sane Poster will accede me on this....India as a Bigger Country must be Generous towards its smaller neighbours, Instead of matching Ego Score breakeven in every Incident

is the highlighted part the main issue of this new paranoia about indo iran trade in future

 

[Sal12]

There is NO need for Pak to worry about Indian investment in Chahbar port due to following reasons.

First, Unlike Afganistan, Iran will never allow Indians to meddle in Pakistani affairs from its western side. Unlike Afganistan, Iran will not be a stooge of India and Indians know this already. Plus Pakistan has good relations with Iran as Pakistan is building gas pipe line in its part of territory which will bring Iranian gas to Pak, Gwadar itself is getting electricity from Iran, Iran is planning to build an oil refinery in Gwadar etc.

Second, What Gwadar is to China cannot be Chahbar to India. China will have direct road & rail link to Gwadar while India needs to get access Chahbar via sea first (Pakistan is between) and then India transport its goods to Afghanistan and Central Asia. It will be more cheap and easy for India to have access to Afghanistan and Central Asia through Karachi port as it is more close to India and Pakistan doesn’t stop India using Karachi port to have trade with Afganistan.

Third, Gwadar port is mainly for China and China is the main investor in Gwadar port and only China can have straight direct road and rail link with it. China’s trade through Gwadar is more than enough for Pakistan. Also some central Asian republics will also like to have access with Gwadar via China and Afganistan which will further enhance the strategic importance of Gwadar.

Pakistan is doing exactly what it needs to do. Pakistan is making its relationships good with China, Russia, Iran and Afganistan and this will help the Pakistan in long run.

 

[ssethii]

now thats gonna hurt some egos very very much


so in short all this means

tum agar mujhko na chaho to koi baat nahi tum agar gair ko chahogi to mushkil hoghi


but thing is

1. can pakistan bully iran iran and iran will keep quite ?

2. will iran make its plans as per pakistans sensivities with india ?

3.what can /will india do in such a situation ?

what do you think .... honestlli

Don't try to be a smart ***, no one is bullying nobody. We are just concerned for now and if those concerns happen to be true then we will make sure the favor is returned with due interest.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Don't try to be a smart ***, no one is bullying nobody. We are just concerned for now and if those concerns happen to be true then we will make sure the favor is returned with due interest.

lolzzz but the fact of the matter is niether your nation is in position to hurt india nor iran as you yourself cant control your own nation and thats realli sad but true + your economy cant support any further advanturism

now indian investements in iran are appreciated and welcomed by iran and niether india nor iran want to destroy thier future growth thru meditation in a thrid nation and fact is they dont need to

niether india wants a milltarry base in iran nor iran will ever support any such thing on its soil then be it even USA or Riussia

now about chabhar Vs Gawadar ports well look at the map chabahar is strategically placed at the opnning of the "gulf" hence with its oil industry is more favrable to all commercial ships for refuling

forget Gawadar if Chabahr goes to full stream as per its potential and devlops somthing like mumbai or karachi even Dubai will be the biggest looser and iranians know it

so you know who will be the biggest consirators against chabahar question is will iranians let them do it ?

am i wrong

 

[waz]

It means Pakistan can also benefit from the port. That's about it. Anything else i.e. India will have a naval base, assets is pure madness and something the Islamic republic would never allow.