Indian government should hang its head in shame: BBC filmmaker

[rubyjackass]

What does the documentary suggests?

A portion of Indian men are sexually starved (Mukesh admits he had sex just once before)- True.

A portion of Indian men are chauvinistic- True. The number of people who thinks girls should not be freely around is huge.

Our judicial system is slow- True

and @sancho
Thank God I thought I was the only one wondering why people do not notice the misogyny in our daily lives. I have seen so many people who were like 'what was she doing there at that time?' as if it were a girls fault for being raped.

And these people are just butthurt because it defames India? How about if the message does not get across, more Indians will rot in the mindset?

These fake nationalists are worried about the image of India than its soul and people. I wonder what they would have done if an Indian made the film. Idiots, some of them in our Parliament, want to find all kind of apologies to ban the film.

Who cares how she got access to the guy? This is first class journalism. Get the facts and news hook or crook and let people know.

 

[jaatram]

and @sancho
Thank God I thought I was the only one wondering why people do not notice the misogyny in our daily lives. I have seen so many people who were like 'what was she doing there at that time?' as if it were a girls fault for being raped.

And these people are just butthurt because it defames India? How about if the message does not get across, more Indians will rot in the mindset?

These fake nationalists are worried about the image of India than its soul and people. I wonder what they would have done if an Indian made the film. Idiots, some of them in our Parliament, want to find all kind of apologies to ban the film.

Who cares how she got access to the guy? This is first class journalism. Get the facts and news hook or crook and let people know.

Great, take a bow sire
you opened my eyes to the truths which Indian misogyny mindset was hell bent on shut down.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Wrong, wrong and wrong again. The Indian government didn't ban this film because it is trying to hide away from the issues in Indian society BUT because there is a serious amount of illegailty involved in both the filming and the airing of this film. As per an agreement between the GoI and BBC they would not telecast it without certain condtions being met but the BBC did not adhere to such agremeents and went ahead and brought foreward the airing of the film.

This is a case of India standing up to the Western NGOs, finacial backers and those who are trying to undermine India.

I have a NEWSFLASH for those who say that Indian Government is protecting 'those' attitudes by preventing people from seeing the 'documentary'.

It didn't take that documentary to make Indians realize that 'rapes' are BAD!!! The documentary only gave the rape CONVICT a platform to utter his twisted and perverted views.

We already know the gravity of the problem and are fighting this menace in our own capacity! As pointed by many others here, the per capita rapes in India (I hate to use this word that quantifies suffering, but still) are much less than some of the countries that claim to be champions of women's causes in "India". And what's even more surprising is that the rate of convictions are also much higher than those countries despite India's limited resources for policing and judiciary!

What the documentary has done is to hijack the whole issue of atrocities against women which is a GLOBAL problem, and turned it into India-centric issue! Now, it seems no other country needs to do anything for the safety of women - because it is only India that needs to correct itself.

What was extremely disgusting was the user comments from some of the western newspapers (specifically British) - they were so openly supporting the German professor and branding Indian men as rapists unless proven otherwise. Some were so openly alluding this problem to India's religion!

 

[wolfschanzze]

Didn't i tell you not to tag me again and again on stupid threads, this same news link was posted for the 100th time.
Why are you tagging me?

 

[kaku1]

Indian government should hang its head in shame: BBC filmmaker

A day after the sole witness of the Delhi gang rape termed the documentary India’s Daughter ‘fake’, filmmaker Leslee Udwin said the Indian government should hang its head in shame for banning her documentary.

Read: Sole witness of Delhi gang rape claims documentary is fake

“The government should hang its head in shame” for the ban, she was quoted as saying in an interview on before the US premiere of her film at an event in downtown Manhattan, according to India Today.

India banned the BBC documentary on the fatal rape of a 23-year-old woman on a moving bus in Delhi on December 16, 2012. The documentary was banned following an uproar over convicted rapist Mukesh Singh’s comments blaming the victim.

“A girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy,” Mukesh Singh said in an interview from jail.

Read: A girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy, says Delhi bus rapist

Udwin also denied accusations in the Indian media that Mukesh Singh was either paid for his time or interviewed without his consent. A title card at the start of the film refutes the claim.

“The home minister (Rajnath Singh) blamed the protesters when these were protests on the Gandhian level, peaceful and right and good,” Udwin told the Los Angeles Times. “The irony is it only became violent when the police got involved.”

Read: Ban on Delhi gang-rape documentary stirs fierce debate in India

Actresses Meryl Streep, Freida Pinto, Dakota Fanning and singer Chris Martin were among those at the premiere, an event organised by women’s-rights groups Vital Voices and Plan International at Manhattan’s Baruch College.

Streep led a candle-lighting ceremony before the screening, reading some of the victim’s accounts of the assault, then issued a plea to the audience.

Read: India channel protests rape documentary ban with blank screen

“We’re called here to contend with something more than rape,” Streep was quoted as saying.

“What is worse than violence? Violence sanctioned by misogyny.” Pinto, a producer of the movie told the Times in an interview before the screening that she saw this as “a universal story, and something I got involved with because it’s not just about what happens in India”.

Pinto gave an address after the screening in which she criticised even Western attitudes about the Indian gang-rape, noting a TV script she had been sent recently that contained a joke about it.

She also issued a wide-ranging plea to people as diverse policymakers and boys to shift their thinking.

Closing her speech Pinto asked people to close their eyes and be “bathed in the light, the light that was Jyoti.”

Udwin also took the stage after the screening as part of a panel discussion about women’s rights issues.

“The disease is not rape, and the disease is not human trafficking,” she said. “The disease is gender inequality. And all these things are the metastases of the primary tumour.”

Indian government should hang its head in shame: BBC filmmaker – The Express Tribune

Maybe this BBC filmmaker is ill informed that Indian head of state has criminal immunity.

 

[Schutz]

I have a NEWSFLASH for those who say that Indian Government is protecting 'those' attitudes by preventing people from seeing the 'documentary'.

It didn't take that documentary to make Indians realize that 'rapes' are BAD!!! The documentary only gave the rape CONVICT a platform to utter his twisted and perverted views.

We already know the gravity of the problem and are fighting this menace in our own capacity! As pointed by many others here, the per capita rapes in India (I hate to use this word that quantifies suffering, but still) are much less than some of the countries that claim to be champions of women's causes in "India". And what's even more surprising is that the rate of convictions are also much higher than those countries despite India's limited resources for policing and judiciary!

What the documentary has done is to hijack the whole issue of atrocities against women which is a GLOBAL problem, and turned it into India-centric issue! Now, it seems no other country needs to do anything for the safety of women - because it is only India that needs to correct itself.

What was extremely disgusting was the user comments from some of the western newspapers (specifically British) - they were so openly supporting the German professor and branding Indian men as rapists unless proven otherwise. Some were so openly alluding this problem to India's religion!

Why is that a platform for him to share his views, he told people the truth, what is so wrong about telling people the truth, if its a worry that others will follow his path then your country has bigger problems that scapegoating this wont help.

Of course rape stats are low, I imagine the vast vast majority go unreported and who can blame them with attitudes that even some of the people on this forum share and they are people who I imagine are far more enlightened than the average street resident in Indias poor areas where these happen where religion and poverty are rampant. Rape stats are unreliable because of unreporting for reasons such as shame, family etc etc but in places like the UK rapes are often reported straight away because chances are, they can catch the rapist (someone I went to school with is currently in Jail after being caught the day after raping someone) and punish them. In India and similar countries where forensics, policing etc is weak then the chance of catching someone is really low and judging by some peoples views, the chances of being believed seem just as unlikely so of course rape stats are low, according to rape stats the UK only has a few thousand less rapes a year than a country 20 times the size of it which is of course flawed because rape is an issue in every country and you probably have similar percentages of men in each country who rape.

As usual, this is why its a problem, instead of discussing the problem its a discussion of "how dare the BBC broadcast this", if you dont like it dont watch it, its not offensive to any particular group unless you want to start claiming rapists have rights.

Rape isnt an Indian problem, its a world problem but just because India is being discussed does not mean its an attack on India and any discussion of rape should be sidelined to discuss why rapes are being discussed, just pushing the issue aside. If it gets people talking then its worked hasnt it? the discussion is on India, there are hundreds of documentaries each year in the UK attacking our own people/policies/celebrities/royalty and its no an issue, its a topic for discussion.

 

[Donatello]

LOL....with Jeremy Clarkson suspended from BBC, rape documentary is gona be way down on list of things that BBC would want to deal with.....

 

[rubyjackass]

Great, take a bow sire
you opened my eyes to the truths which Indian misogyny mindset was hell bent on shut down.

I don't expect to enlighten anyone. But I hoped to see people accept what is the thinking around.

OK. Let's just say the documentary was intended to defame India. What exactly does banning it in India achieve? On one hand, it shuts down Indians from learning about the rapists thoughts(whether you agree that it is related to widespread misogyny or not). On the other, the documentary will still run in all foreign countries. As a bonus, the home minister of India did free publicity for the film and made it sound like we are against free speech and that we are irrational ultra-nationalists.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Why is that a platform for him to share his views, he told people the truth, what is so wrong about telling people the truth, if its a worry that others will follow his path then your country has bigger problems that scapegoating this wont help.

The person in question is a CONVICTED rapist. The point is not about finding a scapegoat but only to point out that it is a futile exercise. We all know that his mind is so twisted and perverted that he didn't show any remorse even after being convicted for the most heinous crimes. What else don't we know about him and his mentality?

There are millions of coldblooded murderers and rapists in this world and if you care to get all their views, a good number of them will be remorseless and perhaps colder than this horror of a human-being.

The documentary, by focusing on the perverted views of convicted rapist, has only ended up conveying that his views are shared my majority of Indian men. Which of course is not true, because we don't roam the streets about by inserting metal rods into every orifice of the females that we come across! Do you see the point?

Of course rape stats are low, I imagine the vast vast majority go unreported and who can blame them with attitudes that even some of the people on this forum share and they are people who I imagine are far more enlightened than the average street resident in Indias poor areas where these happen where religion and poverty are rampant. Rape stats are unreliable because of unreporting for reasons such as shame, family etc etc but in places like the UK rapes are often reported straight away because chances are, they can catch the rapist (someone I went to school with is currently in Jail after being caught the day after raping someone) and punish them. In India and similar countries where forensics, policing etc is weak then the chance of catching someone is really low and judging by some peoples views, the chances of being believed seem just as unlikely so of course rape stats are low, according to rape stats the UK only has a few thousand less rapes a year than a country 20 times the size of it which is of course flawed because rape is an issue in every country and you probably have similar percentages of men in each country who rape.

Stop peddling your opinions as facts! India has far higher conviction rates for rapists than UK -- 26% vs 6%!

What survey/study are you basing your theory to proclaim that India's unreported cases are higher than those of UK/other countries?

Just because India is poor & majority are religious, you can not go on blaming that the rape cases will simply go unreported. For your information, the victim "India's Daughter" also came from a poor background.

In fact, I can argue that if in UK, all the more capable police and forensics lab, doesn't discourage people from raping (many of whom are extremely violent as well), the rape problem is much more severe there than in far-lightly policed country like India. No?

As usual, this is why its a problem, instead of discussing the problem its a discussion of "how dare the BBC broadcast this", if you dont like it dont watch it, its not offensive to any particular group unless you want to start claiming rapists have rights.

BBC is despised mainly because the documentary flouted many laws of the land that it is questioning in the documentary. You really have to be twisted in your mind to infer that BBC is despised because India government or Indian citizens claimed rights for the rapists.

Rape isnt an Indian problem, its a world problem but just because India is being discussed does not mean its an attack on India and any discussion of rape should be sidelined to discuss why rapes are being discussed, just pushing the issue aside. If it gets people talking then its worked hasnt it? the discussion is on India, there are hundreds of documentaries each year in the UK attacking our own people/policies/celebrities/royalty and its no an issue, its a topic for discussion.

The rape, as heinous as it was, was neither the most heinous rape of the world nor does India registers the highest rapes in the world.

Sure, rapes aren't an Indian problem but let's make the the documentary titled as "India's Daughter" anyway, eh?

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Look mate! First of all, I will have to admit that even one rape in India is one too many for majority of us. I am not here to make excuses for chauvinistic males or the rapists that we seemingly have no dearth of. Yes, we have a problem, a big one that needs all our collective effort to eradicate. There is no hiding those facts!

What does the documentary suggests?
A portion of Indian men are sexually starved (Mukesh admits he had sex just once before)- True.
A portion of Indian men are chauvinistic- True. The number of people who thinks girls should not be freely around is huge.
Our judicial system is slow- True

Our judiciary may be slow, but at least in the case of Delhi rape - which was the central theme of the documentary, our judiciary was extremely quick to prosecute the case and convict the rapists and award them death sentences in record time. In fact, the rape convictions in India are among the highest in the world - many times higher than Udwin's UK or even USA. You have to give the judiciary the credit when its due.

Look at this article. The documentary does not have any words of Jyotis friend who was with her, true. Other than that, the only valid point he raises is whether the film was Life of Pie or not. What difference does it make? How does that make the documentary fake? Doesn't it contain the words of the convicts, lawyers and the parents themselves?

If it didn't state the facts as they were or made up facts to dramatize, it is no longer a documentary. It was only an effort to sensationalize a problem and associate it with a country which is not even the most affected of this menace. When such dramatization and sensationalization is done, obviously one has to question the motives of the dcumentary.

What are we trying to fight? Yes, this very could have been an attempt to defame India. But are they making things up? No. Are they twisting facts? No. Don't we have grown up men who are sexually starved? How effectively can a Indian man can rely on masturbation until he gets married ,mostly at the age of 25-30 years, as in our society sex is such a taboo. Combine that with poverty, irresponsibility and alcohol , I would be surprised if incidents like this don't happen.

It is wrong to assume that only sexually starved men indulge in rapes. If it were true, there would be billions of rapists in the world! Similarly, if you suggested that men who indulge in regular sex didn't commit crimes, there wouldn't have been so many rapes in the west where far more liberal values exist. You could take a look at the statistics available for the whole world.

Yes, Indian people will stand against rape anytime of the day. But what has it caused? Are the root causes of rape in India addressed? Are we ready to see a women working late at night as something usual? Are our courts fast in delivering justice? Can we say majority of our women enjoys same privileges as men? Or can we atleast say, we are in the right direction?

Yes, I am a bit pisssed off as my country is being called the rape capital,but I support this documentary as it is a smashing sledgehammer against some problems in the country-Chauvinism.

The Delhi rape assumed international headlines ONLY because WE Indians protested and brought our country virtually to a stand-still for about a month. If nobody had shown any interest to protest, Mr. Udwin wouldn't even have made this documentary.

Those incessant protests show that we are outraged and we are all working towards making India a better place for everybody and especially for women and children. But changing the mindset of the whole society takes time and effort at multiple levels - social as well as policing/judiciary. It is wrong to assume that the rest of Indians are OK with status quo, let alone suggesting that majority Indian men share the rapists views - as the documentary tried to portray.

As heinous as the Delhi rape was, it was neither the most violent in the world, nor does India register the highest number of rapes. How is it only India's problem alone? By making it an "Indian" problem, Udwin is only hijacking a global menace and not doing justice to the victims elsewhere.

When is she making South Africa's daughter? How about making Sweden/America's daughter?

My main problem with the documentary is that this documentary will NOT address any of those issues - it will only help stereotype Indians as rapists, but the real rapists would go on with their business. If you expect the situation to change on the ground, it will have to come from within - societal, moral, police/judiciary - not from a clutch of foreign journalists who appear to cash in on a tragedy every so often!

What Udwin did knowingly/unknowingly was to portray the views of a CONVICTED rapist as the ones shared by majority of India. To say that it is inaccurate is an understatement.

Just as some tweet put it so succinctly -- you don't talk to a rapist about the rape and then judge the entire society based on his twisted and perverted views. He is a convict, waiting for his turn to the gallows for a reason!

 

[Tshering22]

The person in question is a CONVICTED rapist. The point is not about finding a scapegoat but only to point out that it is a futile exercise. We all know that his mind is so twisted and perverted that he didn't show any remorse even after being convicted for the most heinous crimes. What else don't we know about him and his mentality?

There are millions of coldblooded murderers and rapists in this world and if you care to get all their views, a good number of them will be remorseless and perhaps colder than this horror of a human-being.

The documentary, by focusing on the perverted views of convicted rapist, has only ended up conveying that his views are shared my majority of Indian men. Which of course is not true, because we don't roam the streets about by inserting metal rods into every orifice of the females that we come across! Do you see the point?



Stop peddling your opinions as facts! India has far higher conviction rates for rapists than UK -- 26% vs 6%!

What survey/study are you basing your theory to proclaim that India's unreported cases are higher than those of UK/other countries?

Just because India is poor & majority are religious, you can not go on blaming that the rape cases will simply go unreported. For your information, the victim "India's Daughter" also came from a poor background.

In fact, I can argue that if in UK, all the more capable police and forensics lab, doesn't discourage people from raping (many of whom are extremely violent as well), the rape problem is much more severe there than in far-lightly policed country like India. No?



BBC is despised mainly because the documentary flouted many laws of the land that it is questioning in the documentary. You really have to be twisted in your mind to infer that BBC is despised because India government or Indian citizens claimed rights for the rapists.



The rape, as heinous as it was, was neither the most heinous rape of the world nor does India registers the highest rapes in the world.

Sure, rapes aren't an Indian problem but let's make the the documentary titled as "India's Daughter" anyway, eh?

Poor little BBC. They and their colonial mentality.

They could have followed the process and actually made this documentary as a general awareness of the tragedy of rape, promoting safety of women around the world and especially in their own country which despite being a tiny island with a minuscule population, has more rapes per 100,000 than a country of 1.25 billion.

But instead, they used it for political bashing, culture bashing and disrespecting India.

I admire their little ways of grabbing PM Modi's attention since he has not even looked in their direction.

Here is a little eye opener for our British friends here. We know that there are a lot of sensible British people in UK and they don't buy this nonsensical propaganda, however this is not targeted against you sensible guys.

Britain’s Daughters and America’s Daughters | IndiaFactsIndiaFacts

 

[Mike_Brando]

This just shows that India being a democracy is just a joke.

Ahh,please go away from here and beg some where else!!We are tired of entertaining beggars like you.

 

[jaatram]

I don't expect to enlighten anyone. But I hoped to see people accept what is the thinking around.

OK. Let's just say the documentary was intended to defame India. What exactly does banning it in India achieve? On one hand, it shuts down Indians from learning about the rapists thoughts(whether you agree that it is related to widespread misogyny or not). On the other, the documentary will still run in all foreign countries. As a bonus, the home minister of India did free publicity for the film and made it sound like we are against free speech and that we are irrational ultra-nationalists.

There is a huge difference between restraining order and a ban. Does Indian laws and judicial process is to be messed around like they are nothing?

 

[Mike_Brando]

and @sancho
Thank God I thought I was the only one wondering why people do not notice the misogyny in our daily lives. I have seen so many people who were like 'what was she doing there at that time?' as if it were a girls fault for being raped.

And these people are just butthurt because it defames India? How about if the message does not get across, more Indians will rot in the mindset?

These fake nationalists are worried about the image of India than its soul and people. I wonder what they would have done if an Indian made the film. Idiots, some of them in our Parliament, want to find all kind of apologies to ban the film.

Who cares how she got access to the guy? This is first class journalism. Get the facts and news hook or crook and let people know.

She should have been arrested for breaking countless Indian Laws in the first place.She isn't above the laws of this country just because of her profession.What she did was a total insult to our Judiciary and an indirect insult to our Constitution.My personal opinion is that the GoI should prosecute her for falsifying evidences and breaking a number of Indian laws in the process and should start a process of extraditing her from the U.K.

 

[jamahir]

Poor little BBC. They and their colonial mentality.

in that case, those evil colonials should take back the billions of dollars of aid they gave to independent india... why should colonial dollars taint us proud indians??

What she did was a total insult to our Judiciary and an indirect insult to our Constitution.

what does "the constitution" ( or actually you, its supposed advocate ) say about torturing ladies with iron rods and pulling out their intestines or starving laborers to death in this day and age while indian military seeks to exceed usa military in the retaining of number of weapons??

@rubyjackass i worry about the females in mike's life.