Indian government should hang its head in shame: BBC filmmaker

[Daneshmand]

These are realities of the world. BBC also should hang its head in shame for having supported the Iraq war, the Libya war, the Syria war which have caused the killing and rape of millions of people. Now India is a country of a over a billion people with a thousand languages and customs. Change will be gradual. But BBC can be shut down and made to pay for its support of war crimes.

 

[sancho]

If it does not show any solution, there is also no need to tell again and again that we have cancer.

You can repeat the same wrong stuff again, but that doesn't make it more true right? Similarly, inventing a fake cause to degrade the docu, without being able to show it in the content iteself, won't make it any more true somehow. Also you picture is completelly mistaken too, because it's more that someone tries to make the cancer patient aware of the reality, which he is denying. But without acknowledging that reality, you can't get the patient to start a treatment. So by your logic, the docu is trying to make people aware of the problem and not showing a solution!

And the Activist Was Breach of the Article 51A Clause (c) of the Constitution So Govt is Within its Rights to Do Appropriate Action As it Was Reported By Our Intel Agencies which Come under Same Constitution.

No she wasn't otherwise she would had been arrested, especially afte she gave her speech via skype anyway. The fact that she is free, shows that the government has nothing to prove any wrong doing, it's just that they don't like what she thinks or want to say, but that's her free right!
And the result is, the government has blamed India internationally, leaving foreign officials and the media with the idea that India now is a restrictive and backward country. The same idea that now is growing abroad, not be cause of any new rape case, but because of the nonesnse banning policy of the government, which blew the whole issue out of proportion.[/QUOTE]

 

[Screambowl]

You can repeat the same wrong stuff again, but that doesn't make it more true right? Similarly, inventing a fake cause to degrade the docu, without being able to show it in the content iteself, won't make it any more true somehow. Also you picture is completelly mistaken too, because it's more that someone tries to make the cancer patient aware of the reality, which he is denying. But without acknowledging that reality, you can't get the patient to start a treatment. So by your logic, the docu is trying to make people aware of the problem and not showing a solution!

AS I said we are a 60% young nation, such challenges will come. But by defaming or telling problems to the world specially of this kind DOES NOT DO any good. This will not reduce any rapes, it will only harm our image that's all. No one is denying the problem, rather one should support that you can come out of it.

And more over, India is not the only country where rapes happen. But taking India's name with things like, rape, snake charmers, etc.. they are not doing any good. Why don't they say, London rape capital of England. Do rapes do not happen in London or england? Well they are also not young nation like us, rather mature enough population holders.

 

[gubbi]

If it does not show any solution, there is also no need to tell again and again that we have cancer. They should be more interested in their country. It is a conspiracy to change the ideology and create inferiority complex in 60% of the Indian Population which is young. Look at the population of other countries. look at germany itself , I am sure you are aware of the famous pyramid.

This means our country is like a child and requires proper grooming and hence the model of freedom cannot be compared to west who are 60% old. It is not at all required to tell this young country the problems. They are known to us. The solution is the grooming. How they are groomed.

Had they showed documentary on parents and child relation, where parents tell the children how you should behave, how you should respect the girl. If that was promoted like THIS IS PROMOTED, it would have created some effect.

It has nothing to do with the population being young and 'ungroomed'. This is simply not acceptable. Rape is violation of a person's basic rights with the other person imposing, violently, his/her power over the victim. This urge to 'dominate' another person comes not from being 'ungroomed' but age old traditions and a perversion of the human psyche.
The model of freedom is not a culprit here. Rapes are as endemic to western societies as they are to other parts of the world. As I said, they are a means for sick individuals to exert their dominance over their victims violently by violating their basic human rights. And basic human rights are the same, no matter which corner of the world a person comes from.
Some of these violations are 'sanctioned' by or covertly condoned by tyranical/monarchial/dictatorial regimes. We have to accept that these kinds of assaults are a cancer to humanity and we should work together to try to eliminate it. Blaming 'freedoms' is NOT an option.
Now as to whether the GoI was right to ban the documentary, that is indeed a topic to be debated. GoI may have its reservations/reasons in banning the documentary. The film makers may or may not have had ulterior or malificient motives in making the film. Whether you people realize it or not, what is clear is that the rapist clearly implies that he had total power over the victim and, sickeningly, enjoyed it. That is what makes this documentary touch a raw nerve everywhere.

 

[Screambowl]

It has nothing to do with the population being young and 'ungroomed'. This is simply not acceptable. Rape is violation of a person's basic rights with the other person imposing, violently, his/her power over the victim. This urge to 'dominate' another person comes not from being 'ungroomed' but age old traditions and a perversion of the human psyche.
The model of freedom is not a culprit here. Rapes are as endemic to western societies as they are to other parts of the world. As I said, they are a means for sick individuals to exert their dominance over their victims violently by violating their basic human rights. And basic human rights are the same, no matter which corner of the world a person comes from.
Some of these violations are 'sanctioned' by or covertly condoned by tyranical/monarchial/dictatorial regimes. We have to accept that these kinds of assaults are a cancer to humanity and we should work together to try to eliminate it. Blaming 'freedoms' is NOT an option.
Now as to whether the GoI was right to ban the documentary, that is indeed a topic to be debated. GoI may have its reservations/reasons in banning the documentary. The film makers may or may not have had ulterior or malificient motives in making the film. Whether you people realize it or not, what is clear is that the rapist clearly implies that he had total power over the victim and, sickeningly, enjoyed it. That is what makes this documentary touch a raw nerve everywhere.

what is more tough to handle.. 12th class or 1st class? Just answer me. It is about the maturity.. the nation is is 60% young and the grooming is bad. That is the only reason.

The point I am making is not of today's, in future if this population is not groomed with values, India will top in rape cases.

Too much freedom given to western kids where respecting a woman is not taught, rather it is taught that woman are equal to you. Where as according to our education and parental guide it was taught that women hold higher grounds.

 

[gubbi]

what is more tough to handle.. 12th class or 1st class? Just answer me. It is about the maturity.. the nation is is 60% young and the grooming is bad. That is the only reason.

Dont blame the young. Well groomed people from decent middle class families have known to indulge in such horrendous acts. Many such cases documented here in US campuses.

 

[Screambowl]

Dont blame the young. Well groomed people from decent middle class families have known to indulge in such horrendous acts. Many such cases documented here in US campuses.

The point I am making is not of today's, in future if this population is not groomed with values, India will top in rape cases.

Too much freedom given to western kids where respecting a woman is not taught, rather it is taught that woman are equal to you. Where as according to our education and parental guide it was taught that women hold higher grounds

Where respecting a woman as goddess Durga is called outdated and Backwaard, there such things happen

 

[NKVD]

No she wasn't otherwise she would had been arrested, especially after she gave her speech via skype anyway. The fact that she is free, shows that the government has nothing to prove any wrong doing, it's just that they don't like what she thinks or want to say, but that's her free right!

Which She About To Do in Uk Parliament it was Pre-emptive Move by govt which Done on the Concerns of the Intel Agencies of the country.Govt was Ready to give her Free Pass just Wanted a Undertaking by her Part Which is Refused !!(Wonder Why)What was Wrong in it.

 

[gubbi]

The point I am making is not of today's, in future if this population is not groomed with values, India will top in rape cases.

Too much freedom given to western kids where respecting a woman is not taught, rather it is taught that woman are equal to you. Where as according to our education and parental guide it was taught that women hold higher grounds

What values you talk about? Indian values? Who decides those values. These so called values are a joke. Didnt you hear the comments the defense lawyers made? If women in our society held higher grounds, we would never have heard cases of honor killings, rapes, dowry deaths, demands for dowries, female infanticide etc, and I am talking only about the Hindu societies, let alone others. So please spare us this malarkey that Indian society has values.
As for western societies, equality means respect. Whats wrong with that? If you dont respect another human being as equal, you are showing your bigotry and sexist nature. Holding women on 'higher grounds' smacks of sexism.
Instead of values, why not talk about respect to women? Why not humanity?

 

[Screambowl]

What values you talk about? Indian values? Who decides those values. These so called values are a joke. Didnt you hear the comments the defense lawyers made? If women in our society held higher grounds, we would never have heard cases of honor killings, rapes, dowry deaths, demands for dowries, female infanticide. So please spare us this malarkey that Indian society has values.
As for western societies, equality means respect. Whats wrong with that? If you dont respect another human being as equal, you are showing your bigotry and sexist nature. Holding women on 'higher grounds' smacks of sexism.
Instead of values, why not talk about respect to women? Why not humanity?

after 30 years you will be repeating same, because now you did not give proper education and taught your children the values, what values no one aware after 30 years so preserve now. ( not you) you reap what you sow buddy. Buzurg log aise hi nahi keh gaye.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

@Abingdonboy let me give you something to think about. Do you not find it strange that it was the police that first found the victims and that the investigating officers look so non-controversial. She really has not told the full story, whch is why I don't go fully after her.

 

[gubbi]

after 30 years you will be repeating same, because now you did not given proper education and taught your children the values. ( not you) you reap what you sow buddy. Buzurg log aise hi nahi keh gaye.

Teaching values, in my book, means teaching kids equality. And from that comes respect.
Why do you think the civil rights movement demanded equal rights? Why do you think women the world over, including in many oppressed countries, are demanding equality? Once you learn to respect another human being as your equal, then the urge to violate their freedoms or rights diminishes. That a fact.
So instead of so called Indian values, lets teach our kids to respect another human being as an equal, regardless of color, religion, gender, financial status or what in today's world would be any discriminating factor.
Buzurg log to aise hi keh gaye. Unki soch bahut limited thi. They might have been wrong! Lets change that, for a better world.

 

[Screambowl]

Teaching values, in my book, means teaching kids equality. And from that comes respect.
Why do you think the civil rights movement demanded equal rights? Why do you think women the world over, including in many oppressed countries, are demanding equality? Once you learn to respect another human being as your equal, then the urge to violate their freedoms or rights diminishes. That a fact.
So instead of so called Indian values, lets teach our kids to respect another human being as an equal, regardless of color, religion, gender, financial status or what in today's world would be any discriminating factor.
Buzurg log to aise hi keh gaye. Unki soch bahut limited thi. They might have been wrong! Lets change that, for a better world.

equal rights are constitutional, keeping your thought about women at a greater level are your morals. When one learns to differentiation between rights and Moral, he is finely educated. And this is where parental guide comes.

 

[gubbi]

equal rights are constitutional, keeping your thought about women at a greater level are your morals. When one learns to differentiation between rights and Moral, he is finely educated. And this is where parental guide comes.

No disrespect, but treating women as anything greater than others smacks of sexism. Whats wrong in treating them as equals? Constitution does guarantee the rights, but does it really translate into ground realities? Nope. One might 'place women on a pedestal' but will not respect them as equals and give them their rights. What kind of morals are these?
So, no. Respect equality, not keeping them at a higher level.

 

[Screambowl]

No disrespect, but treating women as anything greater than others smacks of sexism. Whats wrong in treating them as equals? Constitution does guarantee the rights, but does it really translate into ground realities? Nope. One might 'place women on a pedestal' but will not respect them as equals and give them their rights. What kind of morals are these?
So, no. Respect equality, not keeping them at a higher level.

what is the difference between the respect you give to your mother and what is the respect you give to your wife. Are they equal?