Indian Army shot Pakistani officers, after calling flag meeting

[ares]

3 Pakistan Rangers Killed After India Retaliates to Heavy Firing in Jammu
All India | Agencies | Updated: January 02, 2015 23:44 IST
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• SRINAGAR: Three Pakistan Rangers were killed after Indian security forces retaliated to heavy firing near the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir's Samba and Hiranagar sectors on Friday evening.
  
  Indian forces retaliated after several posts of the Border Security Force or BSF were targeted in yet another ceasefire violation by Pakistan troops today. Cross-border firing is still going on in the two sectors. (Baseless, Says India on Pakistan's Allegations over Cross-Border Firing)
  
  Pakistani Rangers had resorted to heavy mortar shelling and firing on the BSF posts, according to news agency Press Trust of India.
  
  Home Minister Rajnath Singh ordered the BSF to respond with 'appropriate' action to the cross-border firing; the firing was unprovoked, said the Home Ministry
  
  Today's ceasefire violation was the fourth by the Rangers in as many days and the eighth in the last nine days.
  
  On Tuesday, a BSF jawan was killed when Pakistani Rangers fired on a group of Indian soldiers on patrol.
  
  India had returned fire and four Pakistani soldiers were killed in retaliation. India stopped firing when Pakistan Rangers raised a white flag, requesting time to remove the bodies.
  
  In a letter to External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj today, Pakistan's Foreign Affairs Adviser Sartaj Aziz had alleged that India killed two Pakistani Rangers after calling them for a meeting on the International Border on December 31.
  
  India has dismissed the allegations, saying they are baseless.
  

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Because now people have moved on, no body bat an eyelid, when this news came out in december..admit the casualties or don't ..they are inconsequential now, they are just statistics.

But at the time of the flare up things were hot..detailed discussions were being carried on social media and news channels...deep emotion were involved.

One side suffering more casualties than the other has a feeling of emasculation and defeat attached to it.

Why were casualties admitted in the other months then? Again, your argument only holds weight if it were applied consistently, with casualty reports ALWAYS being accepted months later.

Conversely can you explain, why rangers did not admit these casualties in October itself?

The soldiers were severely injured, and passed away later. The media had moved on to other things by then and never bothered to get updates.

Pakistani media reports list 'injured troops', but they hardly ever follow up and inquire about whether the injured troops recovered, recovered to be fit for duty or died.

3 Pakistan Rangers Killed After India Retaliates to Heavy Firing in Jammu
All India | Agencies | Updated: January 02, 2015 23:44 IST
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• SRINAGAR: Three Pakistan Rangers were killed after Indian security forces retaliated to heavy firing near the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir's Samba and Hiranagar sectors on Friday evening.
  
  Indian forces retaliated after several posts of the Border Security Force or BSF were targeted in yet another ceasefire violation by Pakistan troops today. Cross-border firing is still going on in the two sectors. (Baseless, Says India on Pakistan's Allegations over Cross-Border Firing)
  
  Pakistani Rangers had resorted to heavy mortar shelling and firing on the BSF posts, according to news agency Press Trust of India.
  
  Home Minister Rajnath Singh ordered the BSF to respond with 'appropriate' action to the cross-border firing; the firing was unprovoked, said the Home Ministry
  
  Today's ceasefire violation was the fourth by the Rangers in as many days and the eighth in the last nine days.
  
  On Tuesday, a BSF jawan was killed when Pakistani Rangers fired on a group of Indian soldiers on patrol.
  
  India had returned fire and four Pakistani soldiers were killed in retaliation. India stopped firing when Pakistan Rangers raised a white flag, requesting time to remove the bodies.
  
  In a letter to External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj today, Pakistan's Foreign Affairs Adviser Sartaj Aziz had alleged that India killed two Pakistani Rangers after calling them for a meeting on the International Border on December 31.
  
  India has dismissed the allegations, saying they are baseless.

Yep, more BS from the organization that can't even adhere to the international law of armed conflict and guns down opposing soldiers after inviting them for a Flag meeting, and then openly declares its intent to commit War Crimes by threatening to deliberately inflict Collateral Damage on the opposing side.

And of course lets not forget that this is the same organization that provided two conflicting accounts of the same incident from 2 IDENTIFIED BSF officials.

 

[lightoftruth]

https://twitter.com/x/status/551060838023299073

https://twitter.com/x/status/551079459906809857

https://twitter.com/x/status/551079791642701825

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

https://twitter.com/x/status/551079459906809857

And absolutely NO independent or credible verification of those claims.

Indians should take note - the Pakistani military and Ranger's press releases are almost always respectful and to the point, and hardly ever glorify or mention Indian military or civilian casualties, and focus on mentioning civilian and military casualties on the Pakistani side.

The BSF and Indian media however go out of their way to blow up the situation and thrown around random number of this many Pakistani soldiers killed etc. etc. and display a complete lack of professionalism and respect, choosing instead to engage in Bollywood type tamashas. And now the BSF has crossed an even bigger red line - openly threatening to commit War Crimes by stating that it will deliberately inflict 'collateral damage on the Pakistani side'.

 

[Jf Thunder]

failed again

still invalid

 

[ares]

Why were casualties admitted in the other months then? Again, your argument only holds weight if it were applied consistently, with casualty reports ALWAYS being accepted months later.


The soldiers were severely injured, and passed away later. The media had moved on to other things by then and never bothered to get updates.

Pakistani media reports list 'injured troops', but they hardly ever follow up and inquire about whether the injured troops recovered, recovered to be fit for duty or died.

1. Because in other months ..cease fire violations were a small and routine, did not make the headlines..whereas in October it was almost a mini war and no side would like to embarassed..when your entire nation is watching you.

2.Had the rangers been injured, and ISPR confirmed it, don't you think they would have found a mention in your newspapers, which btw mentioned civilian casualties as well as injured civilians.

"
‘Hot-line’ contact: DMOs discuss flare-up as UN observers visit border – The Express Tribune
By Kamran Yousaf
Published: October 15, 2014
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According to figures provided by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), as many as a dozen Pakistani nationals have so far lost their lives due to Indian firing, which has also caused serious injuries to 64 civilians, mostly along the Working Boundary..."

 

[Jf Thunder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/551060838023299073

https://twitter.com/x/status/551079459906809857

https://twitter.com/x/status/551079791642701825

atleast think of some new story please, same old story
1)Pakistan shoots (dont worry the supa powa BSF are here to save the day)
2)alot of Pakistani rangers killed (damn, when do we leave, we are nothing compared to the supa dupa BSF)
3)Infiltration attempt (cant do without the classics)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

1. Because in other months ..cease fire violations were a small and routine, did not make the headlines..whereas in October it was almost a mini war and no side would like to embarassed..when your entire nation is watching you.

2.Had the rangers been injured, and ISPR confirmed it, don't you think they found mention in your newspapers, which btw mentioned civilian casualties as well as injured civilians.

"
‘Hot-line’ contact: DMOs discuss flare-up as UN observers visit border – The Express Tribune
By Kamran Yousaf
Published: October 15, 2014
..
According to figures provided by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), as many as a dozen Pakistani nationals have so far lost their lives due to Indian firing, which has also caused serious injuries to 64 civilians, mostly along the Working Boundary..."

The exchange in October, despite the amount of ammunition expended, still essentially a series of ceasefire violations, and neither side (perhaps Modi did, since he chose to escalate the issue to bolster his election credentials) knew how long it would last or how much it would escalate, so any Ranger casualties in the first few days would have been declared, as had happened in the past and happened in the future, so that argument does not make sense either. You are looking at the entire incident retroactively and claiming it was a 'min war'. While the shooting was going on neither side knew how long it would last.

And did Pakistan claim that no Rangers were injured? BTW, the casualty count from the Pakistani side provided by the Chenab Rangers official in the report you quoted does point out how the BSF engages in some Bollywood style exaggerations about casualties inflicted on the other side. I pointed this out back then as well, when the Indian media was quoting 'dozens of rangers killed by BSF', that the caliber and quantity of weapons used in the exchanges was largely similar on both sides, so arguments that the BSF could inflict significantly more casualties than it suffered itself were irrational.

 

[livingdead]

atleast think of some new story please, same old story
1)Pakistan shoots (dont worry the supa powa BSF are here to save the day)
2)alot of Pakistani rangers killed (damn, when do we leave, we are nothing compared to the supa dupa BSF)
3)Infiltration attempt (cant do without the classics)

its a tweet.. you can fit in everything in a tweet.

 

[ares]

The exchange in October, despite the amount of ammunition expended, still essentially a series of ceasefire violations, and neither side (perhaps Modi did, since he chose to escalate the issue to bolster his election credentials) knew how long it would last or how much it would escalate, so any Ranger casualties in the first few days would have been declared, as had happened in the past and happened in the future, so that argument does not make sense either. You are looking at the entire incident retroactively and claiming it was a 'min war'. While the shooting was going on neither side knew how long it would last.

And did Pakistan claim that no Rangers were injured?

IF they were injured, then why not mention that, right alongside, where civilian injuries are being mentioned?
Forget about ranger casualties, has ISPR even started to hide injuries??

 

[lightoftruth]

And absolutely NO independent or credible verification of those claims.

Infiltration attempts are a reality with a history of Pakistani terror attacks on military as well as civilians in j&k one cannot deny it.Ofcourse its your's word vs mine when it comes to ceasefire violations but credibility,history and reasons stand by India.

Indians should take note - the Pakistani military and Ranger's press releases are almost always respectful and to the point, and hardly ever glorify or mention Indian military or civilian casualties, and focus on mentioning civilian and military casualties on the Pakistani side.

The BSF and Indian media however go out of their way to blow up the situation and thrown around random number of this many Pakistani soldiers killed etc. etc. and display a complete lack of professionalism and respect, choosing instead to engage in Bollywood type tamashas. And now the BSF has crossed an even bigger red line - openly threatening to commit War Crimes by stating that it will deliberately inflict 'collateral damage on the Pakistani side'.

I will not compare Indian Army with their Pakistani counterparts they are very different institutions with a different role in their respective countries.One can look in history where example's of "professionalism" and "respect " are quite evident but they are not required.Although growing trend of bollywood obsession in everything amongst pakistanis is amusing.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Infiltration attempts are a reality with a history of Pakistani terror attacks on military as well as civilians in j&k one cannot deny it.Ofcourse its your's word vs mine when it comes to ceasefire violations but credibility,history and reasons stand by India.

Please note which one of the tweets you quoted I was actually responding to in my post.

I will not compare Indian Army with their Pakistani counterparts they are very different institutions with a different role in their respective countries.One can look in history where example's of "professionalism" and "respect " are quite evident but they are not required.Although growing trend of bollywood obsession in everything amongst pakistanis is amusing.

You don't have to compare - the difference is right there in front of you, on this thread in fact, given the quotes of the statements issued by the two sides.

The BSF is openly threatening to commit War Crimes, engaging in cowardly ambushes of enemy soldiers after inviting them for a Flag Meeting, engaging in Bollywood sensationalism and showing a complete lack of respect, maturity and professionalism with nonsensical statements about 'we killed this many and this many', as if the BSF bullets and mortars are guided by Ram & Sita to their destiny, and Ancient Indians came down to provide 'Force Fields' for BSF bunkers such that Pakistanis suffer ridiculously more casualties while the BSF gets by largely unscathed.

The Indian media and those who buy into it are taking the meaning of the phrase 'suspension of disbelief' to a whole new level.

 

[Sugarcane]

IF they were injured, then why not mention that, right alongside, where civilian injuries are being mentioned?
Forget about ranger casualties, has ISPR even started to hide injuries??

Ranger are under Interior Ministry while ISPR & Armed forces are under Defense. Rangers have it's own spokespersons and website for press releases Welcome to Pakistan Rangers (Punjab)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

IF they were injured, then why not mention that, right alongside, where civilian injuries are being mentioned?
Forget about ranger casualties, has ISPR even started to hide injuries??

Perhaps they left that for the Rangers spokesperson to comment on, and the media failed to ask? I don't see a denial from ISPR or the Rangers that casualties did not occur, what I see is a lack of reporting on the issue, a lack of reporting that is not consistent with the events prior to October 2014 or subsequent to it, and which therefore does not fit in with your conspiracy theory.

 

[Areesh]

43 years.. Still not cold enough for you ?

Strangely you can come up with such post despite what happened at LOC and IB in the past few years and near past.