Indian Armies gun arsenal to be revived in big way

[The Great One]

DRDO ATAGS is poised to win the towed artillery competition.

Didn't know paper guns were allowed to take part in competitions.

 

[Zarvan]

The Modi government is planning to modernise the Indian Army’s artillery gun arsenal in a big way. Sources said the government could be considering acquisition of over 800 of the 155mm 52-calibre artillery guns at an estimated cost of Rs 15,750 crore.

The proposed acquisition could come up before the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) now headed by new defence minister Manohar Parrikar at Saturday’s crucial meeting.

Most of the guns are expected to be manufactured in India as part of the Modi government’s strong push for indigenisation. The Indian Army has not acquired any new artillery gun for over 25 years. The DAC could also consider a joint bid by Tata Sons and European manufacture Airbus to manufacture 56 transport aircraft to replace the Avro fleet of the Indian Air Force (IAF) at a possible cost of nearly Rs 12,000 crore.

The DAC could also consider acquisition of an additional 106 Swiss Pilatus basic trainer aircraft for the IAF at an estimated cost of about Rs 8,200 crore. The government could insist that most of these aircraft be manufactured in India after transfer of technology from the Swiss firm. The IAF is thrilled so far at the performance of the Pilatus aircraft which had been acquired earlier.

Indian Armies gun arsenal to be revived in big way | idrw.org

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So finally Indian Army wakes up by the can any one tell How many towed and SP Artillery India have right now

 

[The Huskar]

Didn't know paper guns were allowed to take part in competitions.

DRDO promised ATAGS by 2015.let's see what happens

 

[The Huskar]

Most anticipated gun right now is Bhim tracked gun now that Denel is finally lifted from blacklist.Would also like to see the K9 on Arjun chassis.

 

[The Great One]

DRDO promised ATAGS by 2015.let's see what happens

Delayed till 2017 I say

LOL I'd read that they would hand it over to the army by 2013 for testing.

 

[sancho]

2)BAE Systems teamed with Mahindra Defence offering the FH-77BW L52 Archer,

4)Krauss Maffei-Wegmann teamed with Ashok Leyland offering the 22.5-tonne AGM (on a 6 x 6 truck)

Sources please!

 

[SpArK]

 

[Omega007]

So finally Indian Army wakes up by the can any one tell How many towed and SP Artillery India have right now

Towed : 414 FH 77B ,1200 M 46 (these are actually field guns and not howitzers by the way) and unknown number of D 36 and IFGs.Can't say about SP.

 

[sancho]

I vote caesar.Archer is the most advanced,but expensive and heavy.Manpower is not a problem for IA,so automation at high cost and weight is not necessary as much.
Caesar is combat proven,air liftable and almost as good.

The Archer would be air liftable too, but only from C17s and possibly IL 76, while it needs to be seen if the CAESAR based on the Ashok Leyland truck can be lifted by smaller aircrafts, but it's gun is clearly inferior to the archer gun, since it must be operated by far more crew, needs longer to be ready, needs longer to re-position the truck which is especially crucial since the gun itself has a very limited FoV and it can carry only a very low ammount of ammo, so would require more ammo trucks along with it.

 

[SpArK]

Sources please!

Beware its trishul

TRISHUL: July 2013

Indian Army’s Artillery Modernization Programme

 

[sancho]

View attachment 155781

Beware its trishul

Well that explains some things.

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Nora

That rear view makes the Nora look very futuristic!

Weight 34 tonnes(K-I), 27,4-28 tonnes(K0,K1,M03)
Length 11000 mm
Width 2950 mm
Height 3450 mm
Crew 3-5
Elevation -3° to +65°
Traverse 60°
Rate of fire 6-12 projectiles per minute depending on version. First 3 rounds fire in 20 seconds.
Maximum firing range 31km (HE-ERFB), 42 km(HE ERFB/BB), 52km(HE ERFB/RA-BB 23 liter chamber), 58km(HE ERFB/RA-BB 25 liter chamber), 67km(HE V-LAP 23 liter chamber), 20km laser guided anti tank 30F39 Krasnopol fired from K0
Armor Depends on version - K-I: STANAG 4569 Level II on the front and back, STANAG 4569 Level I on the sides, mine protection STANAG 4569 Level 2A and 2B, NBC protection through a pressurized hull and filter-ventilation system
Main
armament
155 mm/52-calibre (23 liter chamber) or new 155 mm/52-calibre(25 liter chamber)
Secondary
armament
7,62mm Machinegun, alternatively a 7,62mm or 12,7mm RCWS can also be installed
Engine turbo diesel
410 hp
Suspension 8x8 off-road wheels
Operational
range
1,000 km (620 mi) , at a speed of 80 km/h (50 mph) for K-I version
Speed
On-road: 90 km/h (56 mph)
Macadam country road: 25 km/h (16 mph)
Off-road: 15 km/h (9.3 mph).

Speed is given for K-I version

Archer

Weight 30 tonnes (66,000 lb)
Length Overall: 14.1 metres (46 ft 3 in)
Gun barrel: 8.06 m (26 ft 5 in)
Width Overall: 3.0 m (9 ft 10 in)
Height 3.3–3.9 m (10 ft 10 in–12 ft 10 in)
Crew 3-4 (Commander, driver, 1-2 operators)
Main
armament
1× FH 77 derived 155-mm/52-calibre howitzer
Secondary
armament
1× Protector (RWS) Remote weapon system
Engine Diesel
340 hp (250 kW)
Suspension 6×6 Independent suspension
Operational
range
500 kilometres (310 mi)
Speed 65 km/h (40 mph)

Caesar

Specifications
Weight 17.7 tonnes
Length 10 m (32 ft 10 in)
Width 2.55 m (8 ft 4 in)
Height 3.7 m (12 ft 2 in)
Crew 5-6 (3, emergency)
Main
armament
155 mm/52-calibre
Secondary
armament
none
Engine diesel
Suspension 6x6 wheel
Operational
range
600 km (370 mi)
Speed On-road: 100 km/h (62 mph)
Off-road: 50 km/h (31 mph)

M777 Portee - not a contender, but an interesting concept.

Entered service -
Crew 6 men
Dimensions and weight
Weight 12.3 t
Length (gun forward) ?
Hull length ?
Width ?
Height ?
Armament
Main gun 155-mm howitzer
Barrel length 39 calibers
Machine guns ?
Projectile weight ?
Maximum firing range 30 km
Maximum rate of fire ?
Elevation range ?
Traverse range ?
Ammunition load
Main gun 20 / 71 rounds
Mobility
Engine diesel
Engine power ?
Maximum road speed ~ 80 km/h
Range ~ 600 km
Maneuverability
Gradient 60%
Side slope 30%
Vertical step ~ 0.6 m
Trench 0.6 ~ 1 m
Fording ~ 0.8 m

Personally I'd rather see the Indian Army go with a tracked howitzer like the PZ2000.

Designed 1996
Unit cost US$4.5 million
Produced 1998
Specifications
Weight Combat: 55.8 t (61.5 short tons)
Length 11.7 m (38 ft 5 in)
Width 3.6 m (11 ft 10 in)
Height 3.1 m (10 ft 2 in)
Crew 5 (commander, driver, gunner, and two loaders)
Armor welded steel, 14.5 mm resistant
additional bomblet protection
Main
armament
Rheinmetall 155 mm L52 Artillery Gun
(60 rounds)

3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min
Secondary
armament
Rheinmetall MG3 7.62 mmmachine gun
Engine MTU 881 Ka-500
1,000 PS (986 hp, 736 kW)
Power/weight 17.92 PS/t
Suspension torsion bar
Operational
range
420 km (261 mi)
Speed Road: 67 km/h (41 mph)
Off-road: 45 km/h (28 mph)

 

[skynet]

Personally I'd rather see the Indian Army go with a tracked howitzer like the PZ2000.
View attachment 155791

View attachment 155792

Designed 1996
Unit cost US$4.5 million
Produced 1998
Specifications
Weight Combat: 55.8 t (61.5 short tons)
Length 11.7 m (38 ft 5 in)
Width 3.6 m (11 ft 10 in)
Height 3.1 m (10 ft 2 in)
Crew 5 (commander, driver, gunner, and two loaders)
Armor welded steel, 14.5 mm resistant
additional bomblet protection
Main
armament
Rheinmetall 155 mm L52 Artillery Gun
(60 rounds)

3 rounds in 9.0 seconds (Burst)
10 round/min
Secondary
armament
Rheinmetall MG3 7.62 mmmachine gun
Engine MTU 881 Ka-500
1,000 PS (986 hp, 736 kW)
Power/weight 17.92 PS/t
Suspension torsion bar
Operational
range
420 km (261 mi)
Speed Road: 67 km/h (41 mph)
Off-road: 45 km/h (28 mph)

Sir there's a different tender for that .

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Sir there's a different tender for that .

This one... right?

NEW DELHI — For the first time, Indian defense companies have been selected for trials in a howitzer gun tender.

The Indian Ministry of Defence has failed to buy a single howitzer gun in the past 13 years because the global competition for a variety of 155mm/52-caliber guns was aborted over the blacklisting of an overseas competitor on charges of corruption.

Larsen & Toubro (L&T), which has tied up with South Korean company Samsung, and state-owned Bharat Earth Movers Ltd. (BEML), which has partnered with Slovakian company Konstrukha, are competing with Russia’s Rosoboron export for the tracked gun tender.

The Indian Army wants to buy 100 tracked guns valued at more than US $750 million.

The tender issued in 2011, which was a rebid of a 2007 tender, went to India’s Tata Power SED, Larsen & Toubro, BEML and Rosoboronexport. Tata Power SED had tied up with Huta Stalowa Wola HSW of Poland.

“The selection of a domestic defense company in the howitzer gun tender will encourage more tie-ups with overseas defense companies in tapping the howitzer gun market in India, valued at over $5 billion,” said Nitin Mehta, a defense analyst based here.

As part of the Indian Army’s plan to replace all of its field guns, named the Field Artillery Rationalization Plan, the Army would buy a mix of around 3,600 155mm/52-caliber guns by 2020-25.

In the past 13 years, the MoD floated tenders for 1,580 towed guns, 100 tracked guns, 180 wheeled and self-propelled guns, and 145 ultra-light howitzers. So far, not a single gun has been bought.

Since 2005, when India banned South African company Denel, the MoD also has banned howitzer competitors ST Kinetics of Singapore, Israel Military Industries and Germany’s Rheinmetall Air Defense from doing business in India for 10 years.

The blacklisting resulted in termination of the procurement process and rebids of the tender.

The overseas companies were blacklisted on charges of corruption, and the government’s anti-fraud agency, the Central Bureau of Investigation, is probing the charges.

An L&T executive said it has built a tracked version based on the portfolio of its partner, Samsung, which he said would be a homemade advanced version of Samsung’s K9 Thunder self-propelled howitzer.

Earlier, BEML had developed a tracked gun with a fully autonomous turret developed by Denel. After the blacklisting, BEML teamed up with Konstrukha, a BEML executive said.

The Indian Army’s artillery consists of 155mm/39-caliber Bofors FH-77B howitzers bought in the late 1980s, and only 200 of the 410 guns are functioning. In addition, the Army uses 105mm field guns and Russian 130mm guns.

India has negotiated the purchase of 145 155mm/52-caliber guns from the US subsidiary of Britain’s BAE Systems on a government-to-government basis.

As part of the homemade initiative, the state-owned Ordnance Factories Board has developed prototypes of 155mm/45-caliber Bofors-type howitzers based on the blueprint of 155mm/39-caliber guns.

Indian Firms Tapped for Howitzer Trials | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[Daedalus]

Sources please!

1) BAE Systems teamed with Mahindra Defence offering the FH-77BW L52 Archer,
LIVEFIST: 4th Time Lucky? Army Floats Wheeled Gun Bid
Broadsword: BAE-Mahindras apprehend retendering for 155 mm towed guns: "Rs 8000 cr artillery gun tender might fail again"
TRISHUL: July 2013
Indian Army’s Artillery Modernization Programme

2)Krauss Maffei-Wegmann teamed with Ashok Leyland offering the 22.5-tonne AGM (on a 6 x 6 truck)
Ashok Leyland defence arm ties up with Krauss-Maffei - Indian Express
KMW Team with Ashok Leyland to Offer Armored Vehicles in India, and ABroad | Defense Update:

 

[ashish1]

DRDO promised ATAGS by 2015.let's see what happens

2017 is the year for the first prototype now,Bw that project has nothing to do with this purchase.They will also be iinducted whenever they get ready.