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We do not know how good is this sub. And if Indian Navy and politicians are smart, they would keep these facts hidden.
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We do not know how good is this sub. And if Indian Navy and politicians are smart, they would keep these facts hidden.
What can I say to people who read but still don't understand a thing?
Reports speculated, But you believe this by stating "40 year old ripp off" in multiple threads... May be you dont understan your own written english. your incoherence with your own thoughts is basically your frustration Nothing else1- Reports quoted which clearly stated it is Charlie II. It was not my opinion, it was analysis after providing proofs. Learn to distinguish between the two.
Again pure speculation,2- Did you fail to notice it was also mentioned that it is modified and extended to accommodate the weapons it would carry?
O but you did, now you are just blatantly lying to save your skin , thats just pathetic...3- I didn't say anything about Russians, or assume anything. Your own media gave details and your Prime Minister thanked them at the launch of the floating hub. Get your facts straight.
Keep speculating, its just funny now , you are making a joke out of yourselfMoney talks, Russian were on board who knows what agreements were signed.
4- If you do changes to SU30's you will need to test them before made operational. Similarly upgrades needed to be tested. You wasting your time, I will respond and nullify all your objections and points, guarantee.
If you had any knowledge of ship design then you would know why a hull needs to be floated before fitting it with propulsion and subsystems... maybe physics 101 will help. when it comes to understanding a design of a hull, you are a pure imbecileHere you have it until now, no Indians despite their best efforts have proven it is indigenous submarine. The reports I produced clearly stated it is Charlie II, an outdated, Decommisioned submarine. It is without Nuclear reactor, weapon carrying and firing capabilities, not doing sea trials because there is no need for them until it becomes a nuclear submarine, otherwise it is what it is , a floating hull.
your counter arguments are childish and outright lack any foresight in the technical domain, i would seriously suggest for you to stick bashing indians with poverty and population stuff. no one here buys pansy argumentsPlease Indian participants, I was expecting little bit better and higher level competition, instead of childish approaches. No wonder DRDO successfully fool you after each of their failed and botched project despite spending billions. You know what sensible countries do to such departments and organisations? They close them down.
So your army is in naval ship and navy submariners in army tank .............Nice combination huh
Ahan, ever heard of the phrase "Armed Forces". I used "Army" in the same sense.
You couldn't explain me how India could copy the hull's material and welding configuration, and you claim you will nullify my points, keep dreaming..
your counter arguments are childish and outright lack any foresight in the technical domain, i would seriously suggest for you to stick bashing indians with poverty and population stuff. no one here buys pansy arguments
HIgher level competition... you are just another ranting member who doesnot have clue about manufacturing, design or any technicalities of the system. I replied to your post to give you an overview of how a submarine system cannot be copied without the design data being made available and comparisons are impossible without arihants specs being declassified. but you my friend are worst kind of ignorant snob. I can understand your frustration, its evident from your posts, that your do not have any technical background or the ability to grasp simple logical constraints involved in manufacturing and design of complex assemblies.
@Sandy_3126
If you keep your head buried in the sand, what can I say or do? Ok let me spell it out like we do to the Children.
Indians wanted a longer body of the Charlie II, for the simple reason, they wanted to introduce the weapon area which can take care of the missiles longer in length.
So, they hired Russians to help them stretched the Charlie II and provide other technical help. Same way, you see stretched limousine. By stretching, the car remains the same, but becomes a stretched version. If you still don’t get it, I can not help you any further.
I said to you many time, I am playing with you, stay in your limit and do not cross the line of decency. I have given you the answers to every valid point you raised, but ignored your boosting.
Let’s face it, I provided the analysis, facts which none of you have refuted until now, except passing ridiculous self praising comments. I provided answer to your boosting of being involved in SU30’s blah blah, in sarcastic and simplistic manner. It does not mean that I am not aware of the technical issues or you are “son of the Gun”. But my way is a simplistic approach, understood by everyone. I think you concentrate on answering the fundamental questions instead of blowing your own trumpet how good or technological savvy are you. Proof of the pudding is in its taste, until now you are failing miserably.
The articles were written by your own media, give them the lectures why and how they compare the technical specifications of Arihant with Charlie II and made their conclusion it is a Charlie II.
Frustration? Why would I be frustrated? I have blown away all the myths created by the Indians about Arihant, it is not a nuclear submarine, not fitted with any weapon system yet, not doing sea trials as continuously claimed by Indian. Why would I be frustrated? It is you who are frustrated to be exposed so badly. Come with some other excuse my friends, I am good in exposing my opponents, I am methodical and I have an eye for details. I would say to you shut it and get on with your job to counter my evidence or hold your peace.
Back your arguments with a source ... that Arihant is a rip of charilie-2...
You know in Urdu, they have a proverb "whole night I narrated the story and the fool is asking in the morning, Zuliqan was a man or woman?" This proverb suits you just fine.
When you people cant understand that license built comes out in years from the ship yard...if it is a rip-off why it take decades to come out the same ship yard... clearly people cant rant or troll because the same people are working in the same ship yard
@Sandy_3126
If you keep your head buried in the sand, what can I say or do? Ok let me spell it out like we do to the Children.
Indians wanted a longer body of the Charlie II, for the simple reason, they wanted to introduce the weapon area which can take care of the missiles longer in length.
So, they hired Russians to help them stretched the Charlie II and provide other technical help. Same way, you see stretched limousine. By stretching, the car remains the same, but becomes a stretched version. If you still don’t get it, I can not help you any further.
I said to you many times, I am playing with you, stay in your limits and do not cross the line of decency. I have given you the answers to every valid point you raised, but ignored your boosting.
Let’s face it, I provided the analysis, facts which none of you have refuted until now, except passing ridiculous self praising comments. I provided answer to your boosting of being involved in SU30’s blah blah, in sarcastic and simplistic manner. It does not mean that I am not aware of technical issues or you are “son of the Gun”. But my way is a simplistic approach, understood by everyone. I think you concentrate on answering the fundamental questions instead of blowing your own trumpet how good or technological savvy are you. Proof of the pudding is in its taste, until now you are failing miserably.
The articles were written by your own media, give them the lectures why and how they compare the technical specifications of Arihant with Charlie II and made their conclusion it is a Charlie II.
Frustration? Why would I be frustrated? I have blown away all the myths created by the Indians about Arihant, it is not a nuclear submarine yet, not fitted with any weapon system yet, not doing sea trials as continuously claimed by Indian. Why would I be frustrated? It is you who are frustrated, being exposed so badly. Come with some other excuse my friends, I am good in exposing my opponents, I am methodical and I have an eye for details. I would say to you shut it and get on with your job to counter my evidence or hold your peace.
Despite me explaining like one explain it to the kids, Indians are not getting it. Simple, Charlie II in its current shape was no good to the Indian, the size was not enough for the longer Missiles it needs to store and fire. So they hired the Russian to help them stretch the design of the Charlie II. Now, submarine is not a car that you cut it open at the middle and add sections and wheels according to your requirements.
The shell has to be produced with longer length. Plus to create the longer version, everything else to be work at too, so the storage and firing system for the missiles works ok with the design and components inside the sub-marine. Considering the intelligence of Indians and the speed they work with, no wonder it took them years to come up with the stretched version, even though they had the blue prints of the design of Charlie II and the help of the people who originally produced it. But, alas, Indian kept their long traditions of wasting decades, to produce simple outdated borrowed technologies, over budget and useless.