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You sure that's an accurate translation?

 

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

You sure that's an accurate translation?

yes

 

[SQ8]

Astra Mk1 is late and not a world beater. But it's a decent system, now in production with a firm order and a bigger order awaiting. And it's comparable to the best of what Russia can export. So it's a good achievement worth discussing. I am not saying praising, but discussion. It can be a praise of critisism too. But it's worth discussing. And it's important.

Most importantly, it’s India’s own technology to control - much like the Turk Gokdogan it isn’t the longest ranged or most advanced seeker/DL combo but that is all controlled in house.
India needs no one’s permission to change what it wants, fit what it wants or use how it feels.

 

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

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[MirageBlue]

HTT-40 flying around the outskirts of Bangalore. Pic credit - Grp Cpt HV Thakur

 

[Deino]

Astra-1 is replacing Russian AAMs we have which aren't exactly crap.
Astra 2 is headed for trials and then Astra-3 which would rival meteor is also coming.

But the question is as always WHEN???

You sure that's an accurate translation?

Better?

 

[MirageBlue]

HTT-40 flying around the outskirts of Bangalore. Pic credit - Grp Cpt HV Thakur

There's a large order of 106 HTT-40s that is just around the corner. Will be a big day for HAL and Indian aviation. There was a time, not very long ago, when the serving IAF ACM had remarked that the IAF didn't want or need the HTT-40 and HAL should focus it's efforts on getting the LCA into service instead. IAF refused to fund the HTT-40 and HAL decided to do it on it's own funds, which was a big bet on it's side, given it's a PSU.

Today both projects are in far better state. LCA has spawned on-going programs such as the Tejas Mk2, TEDBF, HLFT-42 (LIFT based on LCA SpORT) and AMCA.

HTT-40 will likely lead to an armed variant as well.

 

[Two banks of the River]

But the question is as always WHEN???

Just a couple of months back the process started to build an universal launcher for Indian missiles/weapons. Due to this testing of both Astra MK2 and Astra MK3 from aircraft will be delayed significantly upto a minimum of 6 months. So I will say by next year March maybe we should see Astra MK2 and MK3 launch from aircraft.

The Astra MK3 meanwhile will still get some ground firings. The SFDR needs to be fully evaluated.

There's a large order of 106 HTT-40s that is just around the corner. Will be a big day for HAL and Indian aviation. There was a time, not very long ago, when the serving IAF ACM had remarked that the IAF didn't want or need the HTT-40 and HAL should focus it's efforts on getting the LCA into service instead. IAF refused to fund the HTT-40 and HAL decided to do it on it's own funds, which was a big bet on it's side, given it's a PSU.

Today both projects are in far better state. LCA has spawned on-going programs such as the Tejas Mk2, TEDBF, HLFT-42 (LIFT based on LCA SpORT) and AMCA.

HTT-40 will likely lead to an armed variant as well.

Armed basic trainers like Super Tucano work in environments with little to now threat.

India does not have a theater wherein India can use an armed basic trainer aircraft.

The only way an armed version happens is for export. Let's see when that happens.

 

[Super Falcon]

How did it become the "best" ? It is a first generation indian AAM - and mostly likely will be crap for that reason - but they can work on it over time and make it something decent - eventually.. but at least they have started that journey..

Problem is seeing everything from pakistani lens we see every indian achievement is bad fact is realizing our mistakes learn from enemy denying won't help us much

Lockhead Martin corporation has offered indian govt to sell it's F 35 Lightning II jets to India

 

[MirageBlue]

Problem is seeing everything from pakistani lens we see every indian achievement is bad fact is realizing our mistakes learn from enemy denying won't help us much

Lockhead Martin corporation has offered indian govt to sell it's F 35 Lightning II jets to India

no LM hasn't offered the F-35 to India as yet.

 

[MirageBlue]

How did it become the "best" ? It is a first generation indian AAM - and mostly likely will be crap for that reason - but they can work on it over time and make it something decent - eventually.. but at least they have started that journey..

Crap? The Astra was used to shoot down a Banshee target drone at almost 100 km range! How big do you think the RCS of a Banshee drone is? And they shot down a highly maneuvering Banshee drone at medium range.

The final set of trials for the Astra Mk1 involved 5 firings, all of which were successful. The seeker is now Indian, having replaced the Agat seeker from Russia. Two way datalink which doesn't exist on R-77, with LOBL and LOAL features. Also includes modern nav, guidance algorithms, ECM and ECCM.

In another set of trials, 2 Astra missiles with warheads were fired which also achieved direct hits on the targets.

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During the trials, the missions included engagement of target at very long range, a high manoeuvring target at medium range and multiple launches of missiles in salvo to engage multiple targets. All the sub-systems, including the indigenous RF Seeker, performed accurately, meeting all the mission parameters and objectives, defence scientists said.

In another exercise, two missiles launched in the combat configuration with warheads neutralised their targets. With this, DRDO together with the Indian Air Force (IAF) has completed the development phase of the weapon system successfully.

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The trials were conducted by Indian Air Force (IAF) against Jet Banshee target aircraft simulating all possible threat scenarios.

The five trials conducted during this period tested missiles in different configurations. During the campaign, three missiles were launched in combat configuration with warhead and manoeuvring targets were neutralized to establish the end game capability of the missile. The trial campaign also included a direct hit of the target by the telemetered missile at maximum range. All the subsystems performed accurately meeting all the mission parameters and objectives.

Astra BVRAAM has range of more than 100 kms with modern guidance and navigation techniques. The missile has midcourse guidance and RF seeker based terminal guidance to achieve target destruction with pin point accuracy.

3 missiles were launched in combat config with warhead and maneuvering targets destroyed including direct hit of the Banshee target at max range (>100 km).

It is without a doubt a game changer for the IAF given it's modern, indigenous and affordable. No more dependence on foreign suppliers, updates and upgrades will be possible through the life of the missiles, newer variants will be made like the dual pulse 160 km max range Astra Mk2, SFDR based Astra Mk3 and the Astra IR, which will be one of the few MICA IR equivalents in the world when it is ready.

 

[Deino]

Problem is seeing everything from pakistani lens we see every indian achievement is bad fact is realizing our mistakes learn from enemy denying won't help us much

Lockhead Martin corporation has offered indian govt to sell it's F 35 Lightning II jets to India

Just another stupid fan-made video

 

[Two banks of the River]

Just another stupid fan-made video

There are nations where LM is offering F35 against Rafales or Gripens or Super Hornets and even winning. But not in India, if they had any intention of doing it, they would have done it a few years back.

Anyone who thinks F35 will find its way to IAF is in fools paradise.

 

[Two banks of the River]

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