Indian Air Force News & Discussions

[Nirvana]

I have a question regarding Our Su 30 Mki fleet - How many sukhoi's are we planning to Induct.

272 were Ordered , then 40 Upgraded Sukhoi's with Brahmos were On Order ??
On Wiki , It says IAF is planning to have a fleet of 280 MKI'S.

How much Units are planning to Induct ?

And I read somewhere On web that 40 upgraded Sukhoi's with Brahmos are actually for Nuclear command ?
Is this True ???

 

[Nirvana]

Indian Su-30mKI To Get AESA Radar Under Super- 30 Modernization project


HAL will start modernization of last batch of 40 Sukhoi Su 30MKI under “Super -30” Project from 2012. Russian and Indian Specialist are still working on technical performance, under this Project Indian government will be allocating close to US$2.4 billion for Deep Modernization for all the Sukhoi Su30 MKI fleet currently but these upgrades will be carried out only on newly built Su-30, which will be last batch of Su-30 to join IAF.

This first 40 aircrafts will also get, strengthening of air frame to enable them to carry near 2.5 tonne, Air launched version of Brahmos , Indian air force have already provided two Su-30MKI aircrafts in 2010 to carry out such modification to the airframe and Air launch variant is also ready only integration with airframe is left . Under “Super -30” Project, Su 30MKI will get Russian Phazotron Zhuk-AE Active Electronically Scanned Array AESA radars along with new onboard mission computers, electronic warfare systems and new Russian BVR Missiles rumored to be Novator K-100 missile also known has “AWCS Killer ” and also India’s own Astra BVR Missile.

Current batches of Su -30 which HAL has been manufacturing are from MKI-3 variants which are further improvement over earlier batches, and “Super -30” upgrades will be carried out in batch wise and older lot of MKI-1 will be covered first. After initial 40 plus aircrafts, older aircrafts will not be receiving any airframe modification to carry Air launched variant of Brahmos, so Brahmos air variant will limited to certain number airframes of MKI fleet only and not all, but all other aircraft fleet of Sukhoi 30 in Indian air force will be able to carry DRDO developed Sub-sonic Cruise Missile “Nirbhay” and other newly developed BVR missiles.

Indian Su-30mKI To Get AESA Radar Under Super- 30 Modernization project ~ ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS

 

[praveen007]

This poses mote questions surely as you can see ALL the other birds in the line up have their EO pods fitted, why not the IAF C-130?

because India had not singed some of American treaties like CISMOSA and others, which provied American full control of our assest even though we had bought them we cant use them on our own.

 

[Abingdonboy]

because India had not singed some of American treaties like CISMOSA and others, which provied American full control of our assest even though we had bought them we cant use them on our own.

Is this true? I thought CISMOSA only related to communications not EO pods and a2a refuelling probes. Btw links? Sources?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Is this true? I thought CISMOSA only related to communications not EO pods and a2a refuelling probes. Btw links? Sources?

Yes. I think there is too much speculation going on. Will be better to wait a while for the issue to get clearer.

 

[praveen007]

Is this true? I thought CISMOSA only related to communications not EO pods and a2a refuelling probes. Btw links? Sources?

yes there are 4-5 agriments which still be singed before india can have acess to american electronic and signal sharing with system portebility at american level.
The two agreements are: a
Communications Interoperability
and Security Memorandum of
Agreement (CISMOA); and the
Basic Exchange and Cooperation
Agreement for Geo-spatial
Cooperation (BECA).
India’s unwillingness to
sign a Logistics Support
Agreement, or LSA

 

[Abingdonboy]

yes there are 4-5 agriments which still be singed before india can have acess to american electronic and signal sharing with system portebility at american level.
The two agreements are: a
Communications Interoperability
and Security Memorandum of
Agreement (CISMOA); and the
Basic Exchange and Cooperation
Agreement for Geo-spatial
Cooperation (BECA).
India’s unwillingness to
sign a Logistics Support
Agreement, or LSA

Yes but does not signing these two agreements mean EO pods and a2a refuelling probes are removed?

 

[kingdurgaking]

Yes but does not signing these two agreements mean EO pods and a2a refuelling probes are removed?

Not sure about EO pods... may be we will fit our own pod... but A2A probes are there...

 

[angeldemon_007]

Yes but does not signing these two agreements mean EO pods and a2a refuelling probes are removed?

I don't think these two things should be effected by those agreements....also its not hard to find replacement for them...but i hope IAF add these devices to the aircraft.

 

[praveen007]

Yes but does not signing these two agreements mean EO pods and a2a refuelling probes are removed?

yap, EO pods must surely had been removed. And a2a refuling probes are there and are most probable be of boom type as new Indian air tankers are seems to have boom refuling type.
And for EO pods it is said that they might be Indian or Israilian or a joint venture.

 

[sancho]

I have a question regarding Our Su 30 Mki fleet - How many sukhoi's are we planning to Induct.

272 were Ordered , then 40 Upgraded Sukhoi's with Brahmos were On Order ??
On Wiki , It says IAF is planning to have a fleet of 280 MKI'S.

How much Units are planning to Induct ?

And I read somewhere On web that 40 upgraded Sukhoi's with Brahmos are actually for Nuclear command ?
Is this True ???

We ordered 90 from Russia + 140 initially under licence + a new order of 42 (2 replacing the 2 MKIs that crashed), means a total of 270 fighters. So far we have around 130 and the first 100 are planed to be upgraded, while the reports are not clear if they all get Brahmos capability through the upgrade, or if only the 42 new will have it. Personally I think it will be a generall capability that will added through the upgrade, because IAF aimed on multi role capabilities for MKI from the start, not some in A2A and some in A2G.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Can I just ask a question-and I'm surprised I don't know the answer to this- but does the MKI in IAF service use the Litening Pod? If not what does it use instead? As I know the M2K and Jaguars use it, and what about the Mig 27/9?

 

[angeldemon_007]

but does the MKI in IAF service use the Litening Pod? If not what does it use instead?

Yes, Israeli LITENING targeting pod is used to target the laser guided munitions.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yes, Israeli LITENING targeting pod is used to target the laser guided munitions.

Thanks, any chance of some pics? And what about the other ground attack a/c in IAF service-M2K, Jaguar,Mig-27,Mig-21BISON and UPG Mig-29(+IN "Ks")-do they use LITENING pods?

 

[sancho]

Thanks, any chance of some pics? And what about the other ground attack a/c in IAF service-M2K, Jaguar,Mig-27,Mig-21BISON and UPG Mig-29(+IN "Ks")-do they use LITENING pods?

Pics of the MKI with the Litening pod are available in numbers, this is still my favourite MKI pic:

The Mirage and AFAIK Jags used the Atlis pod during Kargil, not sure if they will get new once during the upgrades, or if they will use the Litening as well. Also no idea what the upgraded Mig 27, or Mig 29 will use, because they will have PGM capability as well, but could be guided by MKI as well. Here are some pics of the Mirage 2000 with pods, although I'm not sure which pod the last one is:

Close-up of an Atlis-II Laser Designation Pod (LDP) mounted on a Mirage-2000H [KF105], displayed to the public at AeroIndia 2003 at Yelahanka AFS. Also visible are training rounds of Matra Super 530D AAM (left), Matra BGL LGB (centreline) and Belouga Cluster Bomb (Background)

© Jagan Pillarisetti (Bharat Rakshak)

The Kargil-II Incident - Vayu Sena