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[anant_s]

Former Chief of Air Staff Hrushikesh Moolgavkar passes away

New Delhi, Apr. 10 (ANI): Former Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal (retired) Hrushikesh Moolgavkar passed away in Pune yesterday.

The 95-year-old Air Chief Marshal (retd) Moolgavkar had been a recipient of the prestigious Param Vishisht Seva medal and Mahaveer Chakra.

Born in Mumbai on August 14, 1920, he applied for the Royal Indian Air Force and received his commission on November 30, 1940 in the rank of an acting Pilot Officer.

On February 1, 1976, he was appointed the Chief of Air Staff.

During this tenure one of his major achievements was that of flight safety, where he personally implemented the new measures and brought down the accident rates. After serving 38 years in the Indian Air Force, he retired on August 31, 1978.

Air Chief Marshal (retd) Moolgavkar's funeral will take place at the Mukti Dham crematorium Golibar Maidan in Pune tomorrow. (ANI)
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Rest in Peace Sir.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/former-chief-air-staff-hrushikesh-moolgavkar-passes-away-033629619.html

 

[SuperSubrayan]

HUGE Breaking News once again !!! 108 Rafale to be built in India as per MMRCA plan NDTV !!!!

 

[NaMaloom]

HUGE Breaking News once again !!! 108 Rafale to be built in India as per MMRCA plan NDTV !!!!

Errr, its only 36 Rafales and those are to be bought off-the-shelf from France, no Rafale jets to be built in India

India to buy 36 Rafale jets from France: Modi

 

[SuperSubrayan]

Errr, its only 36 Rafales and those are to be bought off-the-shelf from France, no Rafale jets to be built in India

India to buy 36 Rafale jets from France: Modi

Conformed by Live fist ! Just now check his tweets . Total of 144 8 Squadrons for IAF. 36 will be for 2 squadron from France and rest will be built in India

 

[NaMaloom]

Conformed by Live fist ! Just now check his tweets . Total of 144 8 Squadrons for IAF. 36 will be for 2 squadron from France and rest will be built in India

Provide the source here please. I do not see any reports at all of a 144 jet deal. The deal is only for 36 aircraft.

 

[nomi007]

Our Indian Air Force is the second operator of C-17 GlobeMaster III

 

[Hindustani78]

Entire Squadron of C17 Globemaster III at Hindan after their 10-day task of flying back evacuees.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Entire Squadron of C17 Globemaster III at Hindan after their 10-day task of flying back evacuees.

Only one word for this-AWESOME!!

Errr, its only 36 Rafales and those are to be bought off-the-shelf from France, no Rafale jets to be built in India

India to buy 36 Rafale jets from France: Modi

Provide the source here please. I do not see any reports at all of a 144 jet deal. The deal is only for 36 aircraft.

https://twitter.com/x/status/586611856367714304

https://twitter.com/x/status/586579091261784064

 

[anant_s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/586825897908555779

 

[NaMaloom]

https://twitter.com/x/status/586611856367714304

https://twitter.com/x/status/586579091261784064

It proves nothing. The fact remains, the order is for 36 fighter jets only. Talks are just that: talks. Its not final. What is final is only 36 aircraft. Enough said.

 

[Niks]

It proves nothing. The fact remains, the order is for 36 fighter jets only. Talks are just that: talks. Its not final. What is final is only 36 aircraft. Enough said.

Whatever soothes your body

 

[NaMaloom]

Whatever soothes your body

I am simply stating the facts. You are counting 'talks over 108 aircraft' as an already done deal.

 

[migflug]

Saab mulls Indian production of IDAS
SOURCE : SP Guide Publications

Saab, which recently bagged a $78 million follow-on contract from Hindustan Aeronautic Limited (HAL) for serial production of an integrated electronic warfare self-protection system for installation on the Indian Army’s and Air Force’s Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv, has revealed it is considering local production of the IDAS system in India, given the large potential demand for such a capability.

Saab’s IDAS is an EW system designed to provide “self-defence in sophisticated, diverse and dense threat environments. IDAS can be configured to become the high-end system with laser-warning, missile-approach-warning, as well as full multi-spectral detection capability for radar. The system is fully integrated with the BOP-L countermeasures dispenser.”

Production of the IDAS system for the Indian Dhruv will take place at Saab in Centurion, South Africa (Saab Grintek Defence), with deliveries set to take place from this year till 2018. The Saab leadership in India has however revealed that the company is actively scouting an opportunity to build the IDAS system in India, to service Indian and Asia-Pacific requirements. The IDAS has proven service on several platforms including the Saab 2000, Agusta-Westland A109, Super Lynx 300, Boeing CH-47 Chinook, Denel Rooivalk and Oryx, Eurocopter Cougar, Puma & Super Puma, NH Industries NH90, C-130 and L100 Hercules, Sukhoi Su-30MKM. The system could be under consideration for future platforms being developed in country too.

 

[NaMaloom]

India signals end of talks on larger French Rafale deal


NEW DELHI: India's future purchase of Rafale fighter jets will only come through direct talks with the French government, the defence minister has said, effectively killing talks on one of the world's largest aviation deals.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced last week that New Delhi had ordered 36 Rafale fighter jets from France in a multi-billion-dollar agreement that has been years in the making.

But Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said late on Monday that any future deals will be negotiated directly between the two governments, rather than between the manufacturer and Indian bureaucrats.

“All deal(s) will be in G2G only,” Parrikar told reporters in New Delhi, according to the Press Trust of India news agency.

“The reason we have taken 36 directly is to ensure that they are inducted into the air force at the earliest,” he also told the IBN 7 network.

The minister said the original negotiations to buy 126 Rafale jets from French manufacturer Dassault Aviation — that have been dragging since 2012 — had gone into a “vortex” or a “loop”, with no solution in sight.

“The process is stalled. It has hit a wall and is not getting [any] result,” he told IBN 7.

But he stopped short of saying the government had scrapped talks altogether on the deal, which was originally estimated at $12 billion and had now reportedly ballooned to $20 billion.

“Instead of going through the Request for Proposal (RFP) route where there was (a) lot of confusion and chaos, it was decided that we will go through the G2G route,” he said.

“It should have never gone through an RFP. [The] earlier government should have taken the decision to work on a government to government deal,” he said.

Tortuous Negotiations

Dassault won the right in January 2012 to enter exclusive negotiations with India to supply 126 Rafale fighters under the previous Congress-led government. But the deal has been bogged down in torturous negotiations over cost and guarantee over assembly of the planes in India.

The original deal was for Dassault to supply 18 of the twin-engine fighters, while the remaining 108 would be made by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd under technology transfer agreements with India.

Defence analyst Rahul Bedi said current talks between Dassault and India to supply the rest of the Rafales were now dead, but he did not rule out future deals.

Bedi said it “makes no logistic, economic or common sense” for India to just purchase 36 Rafales when the airforce desperately needed many more jets to replace its ageing fleet.

“The [current] negotiations hit such a roadblock that the only option was to walk away from the deal,” Bedi, from IHS Jane's Defence Weekly, told AFP.

Modi announced the 36 jets had been ordered after talks with French President Francois Hollande on a visit to France, the first leg of his maiden trip to Europe.

India has launched a vast defence modernisation programme worth some $100 billion, in part to keep up with rival neighbours Pakistan and China.

Sameer Patil, defence analyst at Gateway House think tank based in Mumbai, said government to government talks were “less cumbersome than commercial bidding”.


India signals end of talks on larger French Rafale deal - World - DAWN.COM


So I guess I was right. User 'Niks' and 'Abingdonboy', next time please don't celebrate pre-maturely based on 'tweets'.

 

[Niks]

India signals end of talks on larger French Rafale deal


NEW DELHI: India's future purchase of Rafale fighter jets will only come through direct talks with the French government, the defence minister has said, effectively killing talks on one of the world's largest aviation deals.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced last week that New Delhi had ordered 36 Rafale fighter jets from France in a multi-billion-dollar agreement that has been years in the making.

But Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said late on Monday that any future deals will be negotiated directly between the two governments, rather than between the manufacturer and Indian bureaucrats.

“All deal(s) will be in G2G only,” Parrikar told reporters in New Delhi, according to the Press Trust of India news agency.

“The reason we have taken 36 directly is to ensure that they are inducted into the air force at the earliest,” he also told the IBN 7 network.

The minister said the original negotiations to buy 126 Rafale jets from French manufacturer Dassault Aviation — that have been dragging since 2012 — had gone into a “vortex” or a “loop”, with no solution in sight.

“The process is stalled. It has hit a wall and is not getting [any] result,” he told IBN 7.

But he stopped short of saying the government had scrapped talks altogether on the deal, which was originally estimated at $12 billion and had now reportedly ballooned to $20 billion.

“Instead of going through the Request for Proposal (RFP) route where there was (a) lot of confusion and chaos, it was decided that we will go through the G2G route,” he said.

“It should have never gone through an RFP. [The] earlier government should have taken the decision to work on a government to government deal,” he said.

Tortuous Negotiations

Dassault won the right in January 2012 to enter exclusive negotiations with India to supply 126 Rafale fighters under the previous Congress-led government. But the deal has been bogged down in torturous negotiations over cost and guarantee over assembly of the planes in India.

The original deal was for Dassault to supply 18 of the twin-engine fighters, while the remaining 108 would be made by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd under technology transfer agreements with India.

Defence analyst Rahul Bedi said current talks between Dassault and India to supply the rest of the Rafales were now dead, but he did not rule out future deals.

Bedi said it “makes no logistic, economic or common sense” for India to just purchase 36 Rafales when the airforce desperately needed many more jets to replace its ageing fleet.

“The [current] negotiations hit such a roadblock that the only option was to walk away from the deal,” Bedi, from IHS Jane's Defence Weekly, told AFP.

Modi announced the 36 jets had been ordered after talks with French President Francois Hollande on a visit to France, the first leg of his maiden trip to Europe.

India has launched a vast defence modernisation programme worth some $100 billion, in part to keep up with rival neighbours Pakistan and China.

Sameer Patil, defence analyst at Gateway House think tank based in Mumbai, said government to government talks were “less cumbersome than commercial bidding”.


India signals end of talks on larger French Rafale deal - World - DAWN.COM


So I guess I was right. User 'Niks' and 'Abingdonboy', next time please don't celebrate pre-maturely based on 'tweets'.

After reading the whole article,i did not understand why the headline is like this "India signals end of talks on larger French Rafale deal - World - DAWN.COM ?"
Because clearly the defence minister is saying that the deal will be discussed gov to gov ,rather than RFP.
So more rafale will surely come,there is no doubt about that.