Indian Air Base at Pathankot under attack by gunmen.

[Hindustani78]

I think media couldn't interfere with OP, with so much restriction and disinformation , all they could do stoke political drama..

During this operation against terrorists , all the political parties are having the same stand.

 

[BDforever]

Indian security forces have done thier duties and safeguard the military asset.

IB was already having intelligence outputs.

yes they did safeguard military asset with great cost of life.
just 6 terrorists did such damage to Indian force even with having advance intel, it is really worrying issue

 

[Tameem]

Some Interesting comments from Real Indians from NDTV site.


Shyamal Roy | 10 hours ago
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Actually Indian Military should start marching in pakistan upto Lahore and destroy all the terrorist bases and come back.

• ammar | 10 hours ago
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  @Shyamal Roy: IT SHOULD INCLUDE RAWALPINDI ALSO......
• indian | 10 hours ago
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  @: lol. 5 terrorists. Our army is taking 3 days and you thinking about marching to enemy area.
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  Anonymous | 9 hours ago
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  Hahaha

 

[Hindustani78]

For all those asking "why the NSG?", "why not the Army?", I'll ask turn this around on you- why not the NSG?

-Unappreciated,recognised and unknown is the fact that 365 days a year, 24 hours a day the NSG maintains a COUNTER TERROR (yes, Counter Terror- not CQB/urban fighting) taskforce in Delhi
- This "main" (all NSG hubs have similar ready teams but not of this scale) CT taskforce is mandated to be ready to mobile within 20 minuets of "greenlight" from the MHA
-Post 26/11 they have the authority to commender any aircraft in Indian skies for their use along with having deciated IAF transports specifically redied for their transport.
-This taskforce is a self contained fighting unit that carries everything it would need to conduct a CT operation anywhere in India independatly for 48 hours (including weapons,associated ammo, bomb disposal equipment, specialised assualt vehicles, medical kits, communications equipment etc etc).
- This taskforce consists not just of "shooters" ie assualters but an EOD/Bomb disposal team, Snipers, support (signals/medical) staff etc
- The unit is specifically equipped to deal with Counter Terrorism missions and everything about the NSG is geared towards that.


Does anyone think that there is any other unit/force, with this kind of capability, ready to go anytime of the day or night for whatever mission in India?

And should I add that these are not just a bunch of amatuers but some of the finest CT operators you will find anywhere in the world who not only go through an enourmously harsh selection process but are then imparted with some of the finest CT training found anywhere and perhaps the most intensive training/re-training program of any specialist force in India.

I am yet to hear a valid critique of employing the NSG in this mission, these are some of the most able operators in the world- not just India, and not just that but their entire ethos, capabilities, mandate and purpose is for exactly this role- Counter Terrorism. Why are many so quick to ask that the NSG remain sat idle in Delhi whilst other assets are commited to the one thing the NSG was raised and is funded to do? The patronising of the NSG going on right now is pretty absurd especially from many who should know better.

The NSG are not a bunch of aliens or foriegners plucked up from affair and transported to do this mission so why such an outcry of "let the military handle it" (excusing the fact that all SAG operators are in fact from the ARMY and will reuturn to the ARMY once their deputations are up) ? The last time I checked India was a federal democracy, not a military dicatorship- it is ony right a federal police (NSG is offically under MHA) unit handles incidents of Internal Security such as this.


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Paramilitary forces will be armed with advance weapons and more BSF troops will be deployed.

Forward post bunkers, watch towers will be increased and more snipers will be placed.

 

[Abingdonboy]

It is all okay ..understandable. .
NSG is great bro. But this kinda situation , we should have gone for the over kill. If we are gonna protect vital assets plus a small city like air base, we should have a battalion army as inside cordon instead of DSC. provided we have prior information.

This may be 6..8 ppl, what if there was 20..30 highly trained ppl in batches inside?

I'm not questioning the need to have further "beefed up" the perimiter security but this is not what the NSG was tasked to do, nor is it what it does. The NSG did exactly what their mission is- direct action counter terrorism.

The discuassion about the DSC is a seperate point but the fact remains that the NSG were the lead unit in the counter attack and eliminating these scum and that is exactly their mandate.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Dude, if anything you should question the Indian version and logic surrounding this event.
Even if one was to believe they were Pakistani attackers, are we lead to believe that after some how managing to cross the border, they headed straight for the airbase, knew exactly where and which side to access the facility, all this while carrying all the equipment, of all the people, they had to kidnap a police officer and then release him unharmed....so he could spill the beans......is that thin or damn invisible.

Well i dunno about they being from Pakistan as my govt has not said any name as of yet.
Secondly few post back i have clearly said that there has to be a single or 2 persons from inside who had done recon and provided a detailed floor map and intelligence bcz the tactics of hit and run and hide in civilian places cannot be done if you don know where to hide and where is the perfect cover to evade the forces combing eyes..
The SP episode of kidnapping is very suspicious and definitely even i would like that investigated. Either he is lying or he was too drunk that bcz of not being in able senses terrorists avoided killing him off and avoided the night time focus on themselves or something more sinister is there which i dont know at all.. NIA will investigate surely why he is so "lucky"
About the crossing border part, i dont know that at all.. Their entry inside India can be from multiple points and weapons, explosives can be taken from a sleeper cell based out of Punjab or J&K so they dont need to carry anything entering India. Whether tehy entered via border or via nepal or any other place that has to be investigated..

Its too much premature atm to conclude blindly and say they crossed border with every loaded things and did all this.. a covert ops will have weapons and explosives taken care by a local team not the one which is coming to do the actual terror act. As i said these 6 are just pawns.. There are many more elements inclusive of some rogue ppl and some more as guide/sleeper cell folks beyond the handlers, financiers, trainers etc. Without a thorough inquiry with proper evidence nothing can be said with 100% confidence.

 

[MilSpec]

I could have answered why not Punjab Police, - Because their cadre does not know how to properly shoulder a rifle.

I do see a undercurrent of disappointment on the forum from some members that Indians successfully defended he position without any losses suffered in similar attacks across the border. If India did not have actionable intel, the losses would have been devastating.

For all those asking "why the NSG?", "why not the Army?", I'll ask turn this around on you- why not the NSG?

-Unappreciated,recognised and unknown is the fact that 365 days a year, 24 hours a day the NSG maintains a COUNTER TERROR (yes, Counter Terror- not CQB/urban fighting) taskforce in Delhi
- This "main" (all NSG hubs have similar ready teams but not of this scale) CT taskforce is mandated to be ready to mobile within 20 minuets of "greenlight" from the MHA
-Post 26/11 they have the authority to commender any aircraft in Indian skies for their use along with having deciated IAF transports specifically redied for their transport.
-This taskforce is a self contained fighting unit that carries everything it would need to conduct a CT operation anywhere in India independatly for 48 hours (including weapons,associated ammo, bomb disposal equipment, specialised assualt vehicles, medical kits, communications equipment etc etc).
- This taskforce consists not just of "shooters" ie assualters but an EOD/Bomb disposal team, Snipers, support (signals/medical) staff etc
- The unit is specifically equipped to deal with Counter Terrorism missions and everything about the NSG is geared towards that.


Does anyone think that there is any other unit/force, with this kind of capability, ready to go anytime of the day or night for whatever mission in India?

And should I add that these are not just a bunch of amatuers but some of the finest CT operators you will find anywhere in the world who not only go through an enourmously harsh selection process but are then imparted with some of the finest CT training found anywhere and perhaps the most intensive training/re-training program of any specialist force in India.

I am yet to hear a valid critique of employing the NSG in this mission, these are some of the most able operators in the world- not just India, and not just that but their entire ethos, capabilities, mandate and purpose is for exactly this role- Counter Terrorism. Why are many so quick to ask that the NSG remain sat idle in Delhi whilst other assets are commited to the one thing the NSG was raised and is funded to do? The patronising of the NSG going on right now is pretty absurd especially from many who should know better.

The NSG are not a bunch of aliens or foriegners plucked up from affair and transported to do this mission so why such an outcry of "let the military handle it" (excusing the fact that all SAG operators are in fact from the ARMY and will reuturn to the ARMY once their deputations are up) ? The last time I checked India was a federal democracy, not a military dicatorship- it is ony right a federal police (NSG is offically under MHA) unit handles incidents of Internal Security such as this.


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[Hindustani78]

yes they did safeguard military asset with great cost of life.
just 6 terrorists did such damage to Indian force even with having advance intel, it is really worrying issue

Soldier duty is to protect its base which the Indian security forces have done.

 

[Dragon4]

Massive incompetency displayed by civil administration in Punjab, hope investigation report comes out soon.
Same as 26/11, have intel but shitty response.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I could have answered why not Punjab Police, - Because their cadre does not know how to properly shoulder a rifle.

Thankfully those clowns were kept as far away from this incident as possible.

On a serious note, I would expect that the airbase, being federal property, would mean the Punjab police had no jurisdiction to get "involved". Instead, like they made the NSG do a few months back, they will have to sit on the sidelines and watch the show unfold without them. Except this time the force conducting the operations is actually competent and won't embarrass themselves.

 

[BDforever]

Soldier duty is to protect its base which the Indian security forces have done.

you are ignoring my point, I am concern about the lives lost. either lack of skill or lack of high command operation strategy was behind such loses. 14 special force members causalities by 6 terrorists can not ignored just because you were able save assets.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Thankfully those clowns were kapt as far away from this incident as possible.

On a serious note, I would expect that the airbase, being federal property, would mean the Punjab police had no jurisdiction to get "involved". Instead, like they made the NSG do a few months back, they will have to sit on the sidelines and watch the show unfold without them. Except this time the force conducting the operations is actually competent and won't embarrass themselves.

A quick point.. Read somewhere bcz of being a large base surveillance tech is negligible like CCTvs.. Do you think its necessary that we upgrade all bases with proper surveillance tech like CCTvs, intrusion detectors etc.. especially forward bases?

@MilSpec what are your thoughts about this..

 

[Abingdonboy]

you are ignoring my point, I am concern about the lives lost. either lack of skill or lack of high command operation strategy was behind such loses.

Who said the objective of this operation was to protect the lives of the soldiers? It is explicitly clear that the objective was to protect the strategic assets of India and ensure no loss of life to civlian- which has been acheived. These were all volunteers, all warrriors who chose to put on their uniform. It doesn't mean their loss is meaningless but they did exactly what they signed up to do and one should commend a force or a nation that is able to produce such men who will run towards an enemy and die in the course of protecting their nations.

It doesn't matter how many ways losers try to spin this, the operation was a success, the terrorists' could not fulfill their intentions.

A quick point.. Read somewhere bcz of being a large base surveillance tech is negligible like CCTvs.. Do you think its necessary that we upgrade all bases with proper surveillance tech like CCTvs, intrusion detectors etc.. especially forward bases?

@MilSpec what are your thoughts about this..

There is already exhaustive security at all major military installations in India, but there are always weakposts and more that can be done.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

you are ignoring my point, I am concern about the lives lost. either lack of skill or lack of high command operation strategy was behind such loses. 14 special force members causalities by 6 terrorists can not ignored just because you were able save assets.

Among Dead only 2 are from Sepcial ops bro, rest 4 are in 50s whom we can say are unarmed guards.. They dont know head and tail about fighting..
About injured folks, it seems 4 are injured via a grenade without pin left in a dead terrorist's body
Few more are via engagement..
I wont say its not high, but urban combat with residential places does provide a perfect place for ambush, IEDs and grenades.. A quick charging team can be easily detected by a spotter, quickly and efficiently cut off by a misdirector and efficiently planned for a ambush by a explosive expert.. Now these are my thoughts.. Not saying its the reality.. But yes, we tried very hard to capture them alive.. that did cost us some more casualties which we could have avoided. But having a live terrorists would have worked out very well to spill the beans.. so that effort was necessary.

 

[BDforever]

Who said the objective of this operation was to protect the lives of the soldiers? It is explicitly clear that the objective was to protect the strategic assets of India and ensure no loss of life to civlian- which has been acheived. These were all volunteers, all warrriors who chose to put on their uniform. It doesn't mean their loss is meaningless but they did exactly what they signed up to do and one should commend a force or a nation that is able to produce such men who will run towards an enemy and die in the course of protecting their nations.

It doesn't matter how many ways losers try to spin this, the operation was a success, the terrorists' could not fulfill their intentions.

well it seems my perception and your perception are different.