Indian Air Base at Pathankot under attack by gunmen.

[ranjeet]

Why last time you did act on a proxy attack carried out by your own RAW operatives.

what?

 

[sathya]

No bro, NSG was deployed a day before ... area around the base was cleared early in the evening and barricades were in place. We must be honest in assessing our short coming, so that in future such attacks can be handled in even better way.

Then base had so many holes, that can't be secured even after Intel.
Guessing meeting of retired Air Force officials is about securing air bases.

One good thing about this op is no collateral damage , none of friendly fire.
Suicide Enemy in military clothes, it takes lot of courage to show restraint, analyse then fire..

 

[PARIKRAMA]

A quick question to all ppl here
If its 2 teams theory then
Car team has 4 ppl
Non Car team has how many?
Report says we had killed 6 so far..
So suspicion may be that second team is also 4 in numbers, implying a much wider search for possible 2 more terrorists.

If the second team is just 2, i dont think it makes sense.. A standard small team should have minimum 4 members is nt it?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Sir i agree there r nuts in media especially the anchors who have zero knowledge on CT-CI ops. But one thing that is killing me right now that why NSA inserted NSG over here, without having any doubt on their capabilities one can apprehend a laps in command structure with this step, bcoz these all makes up to as many as 4-5 layers of cordon-up like Punjab POLICE(SWAT), DSC, GARUDS,NSG and IA, why so much love for NSG, did they want to keep IA out of the loop as its not J&K, in any way they are engaging IA now. Then why u cant gave whole responsibility to 9th or 4th PARA in the beginning. The planes of punjab wud be like playground for them.

The last time I checked the NSG was the Government of India's SOLE federal counter terror intervention unit. What does everyone think the NSG's actual mandate is? They are the GoI's INTERNAL SECURITY emergency response unit.Why did the NSG get sent in in 26/11? The NSG goes in, kills the bad guys and goes home.This what these guys do.

The mission the PARA (SF) (and other SFs) plays is very different especially in JK and the NE. Most seem too enamoured by the idea that 100% of the SF's job is to act as "door kickers", the actual reality of how SFs are used in relaity, the breadth of their skillset and their capabiilities is far more impressive.

There is not a single unit in India that even gets close to the NSG's intensity of CT training, as a small group they are entirely focused on this one role. Day in and day out they are drilling for this.Questioning their capabilities is as illogical as claiming the PARA (SF) would have done a descernably better job.


+ many seem to have missed the fact that whilst the NSG is taking the lead in this operation they are working with a JOINT team of IA and IAF SF.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

PAKISTAN FOREIGN MIN : Pakistan working on India's 'leads' related to Pathankot attack

Source Sir

 

[BDforever]

so 6 terrorists killed 7 Indian soilders ( including 1 NSG and 1 Garud) and 20 injuries (includes12 NSG commandos) that is really embarrassing.
If we bring advance intel in consideration, well it is beyond speech........
@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Kashmiri Pandit @ranjeet @Parul and others

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Till now i thot its only media like NDTV whose doing disservice to the nation

Look at INC ppl publishing this below and asking NDA why not name our neighbours and why we goofed up?

Sometimes i dont understand why we are so shameless.. Ops not over and full blown politics already.........

 

[Maarkhoor]

Till now i thot its only media like NDTV whose doing disservice to the nation

Look at INC ppl publishing this below and asking NDA why not name our neighbours and why we goofed up?

Sometimes i dont understand why we are so shameless.. Ops not over and full blown politics already.........

Point is amit Shah was right no proof so far they are pakistani.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Point is amit Shah was right no proof so far they are pakistani.

Sir, my point is GOI never said anything.. and other political parties are crying already n the middle of ops.. that to me is incorrect and shows how they are opportunistic..

 

[Maarkhoor]

Pathankot terror attack: Terrorists may have reached Air Force base in two batches
Pathankot terror attack: Terrorists may have reached Air Force base in two batches - Times of India

 

[Windjammer]

A quick question to all ppl here
If its 2 teams theory then
Car team has 4 ppl
Non Car team has how many?
Report says we had killed 6 so far..
So suspicion may be that second team is also 4 in numbers, implying a much wider search for possible 2 more terrorists.

If the second team is just 2, i dont think it makes sense.. A standard small team should have minimum 4 members is nt it?

Dude, if anything you should question the Indian version and logic surrounding this event.
Even if one was to believe they were Pakistani attackers, are we lead to believe that after some how managing to cross the border, they headed straight for the airbase, knew exactly where and which side to access the facility, all this while carrying all the equipment, of all the people, they had to kidnap a police officer and then release him unharmed....so he could spill the beans......is that thin or damn invisible.

 

[sathya]

Sir, my point is GOI never said anything.. and other political parties are crying already n the middle of ops.. that to me is incorrect and shows how they are opportunistic..

I think media couldn't interfere with OP, with so much restriction and disinformation , all they could do stoke political drama..

 

[Hindustani78]

so 6 terrorists killed 7 Indian soilders ( including 1 NSG and 1 Garud) and 20 injuries (includes12 NSG commandos) that is really embarrassing.
If we bring advance intel in consideration, well it is beyond speech........
@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Kashmiri Pandit @ranjeet @Parul and others

Indian security forces have done thier duties and safeguard the military asset.

IB was already having intelligence outputs.

 

[rockstarIN]

The last time I checked the NSG was the Government of India's SOLE federal counter terror intervention unit. What does everyone think the NSG's actual mandate is? They are the GoI's INTERNAL SECURITY emergency response unit.Why did the NSG get sent in in 26/11? The NSG goes in, kills the bad guys and goes home.This what these guys do.

The mission the PARA (SF) (and other SFs) plays is very different especially in JK and the NE. Most seem too enamoured by the idea that 100% of the SF's job is to act as "door kickers", the actual reality of how SFs are used in relaity, the breadth of their skillset and their capabiilities is far more impressive.

There is not a single unit in India that even gets close to the NSG's intensity of CT training, as a small group they are entirely focused on this one role. Day in and day out they are drilling for this.Questioning their capabilities is as illogical as claiming the PARA (SF) would have done a descernably better job.


+ many seem to have missed the fact that whilst the NSG is taking the lead in this operation they are working with a JOINT team of IA and IAF SF.

It is all okay ..understandable. .
NSG is great bro. But this kinda situation , we should have gone for the over kill. If we are gonna protect vital assets plus a small city like air base, we should have a battalion army as inside cordon instead of DSC. provided we have prior information.

This may be 6..8 ppl, what if there was 20..30 highly trained ppl in batches inside?

 

[Abingdonboy]

For all those asking "why the NSG?", "why not the Army?", I'll ask turn this around on you- why not the NSG?

-Unappreciated,recognised and unknown is the fact that 365 days a year, 24 hours a day the NSG maintains a COUNTER TERROR (yes, Counter Terror- not CQB/urban fighting) taskforce in Delhi
- This "main" (all NSG hubs have similar ready teams but not of this scale) CT taskforce is mandated to be mobile within 20 minuets of "greenlight" from the MHA
-Post 26/11 they have the authority to commender any aircraft in Indian skies for their use along with having dedicated IAF transports specifically readied for their transport.
-This taskforce is a self contained fighting unit that carries everything it would need to conduct a CT operation anywhere in India independatly for 48 hours (including weapons,associated ammo, bomb disposal equipment, specialised assualt vehicles, medical kits, communications equipment etc etc).
- This taskforce consists not just of "shooters" ie assualters but an EOD/Bomb disposal team, Snipers, support (signals/medical) staff etc
- The unit is specifically equipped to deal with Counter Terrorism missions and everything about the NSG is geared towards that.


Does anyone think that there is any other unit/force, with this kind of capability, ready to go anytime of the day or night for whatever mission in India?

And should I add that these are not just a bunch of amatuers but some of the finest CT operators you will find anywhere in the world who not only go through an enourmously harsh selection process but are then imparted with some of the finest CT training found anywhere and perhaps the most intensive training/re-training program of any specialist force in India.

I am yet to hear a valid critique of employing the NSG in this mission, these are some of the most able operators in the world- not just India, and not just that but their entire ethos, capabilities, mandate and purpose is for exactly this role- Counter Terrorism. Why are many so quick to ask that the NSG remain sat idle in Delhi whilst other assets are commited to the one thing the NSG was raised and is funded to do? The patronising of the NSG going on right now is pretty absurd especially from many who should know better.

The NSG are not a bunch of aliens or foriegners plucked up from afar and transported to do this mission so why such an outcry of "let the military handle it" (excusing the fact that all SAG operators are in fact from the ARMY and will reuturn to the ARMY once their deputations are up) ? The last time I checked India was a federal democracy, not a military dicatorship- it is ony right a federal police (NSG is offically under MHA) unit handles incidents of Internal Security such as this.


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