India working massively over time control technology? Dr. David Anderson

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

watch this video on Time, gravity and space..

YouTube - Galileo, Time and Space: Gravity affecting clocks

Time travel is not possible

Only one way ...

Imagine 4 planets

A)Planet A
B)Planet B (2 Billion years away from A)
C)Planet C (4 Billion years away from A)
D)Planet D (6 Billion years away from A)


Now imagine:

ACT 1 (Asuume for simplicity light is travelling 1 billion miles per year)

A signal is tranmisted , lottery results from planet A to all other
3 planets , at speed of light and also at same time

Space Craft launches , travelling 2 ice the speed of light....

Planet A will light a crimson light for 4 years

The crew is wearing watches on hands ... only moves forward

Time/Date on planet A is 2010

ACT 2:
The spacecraft people will reach planet B first , they will inform the citzens of planet B ... what the result of the lottery will be in 1 year time.....they fly to planet C

Now after 1 year the transmitted results will reach planet B

But they already knew the future what to expect

And that signal will continue to travel to planet C

ACT 3

Now the space ship is already at planet C , they tell them that in 2 years time , they wil get signal and the sinal will have lottery numbers such and such ... and they leave ....

Now people will contine to wait 2 years and then a signal will reach them and yes the loterry info was exactly as the space ship travellers predicted.....


ACT 4 :

This time the spaceship will trvael to third planet Planet D, and tell them they will get a signal which will say our planet A is dieing we need help ....

In 2 years times, they will get signal (Its just light), the space ship crew will travel back ... and interept the message form Planet A .. and add some new information like
red coulds in the light that is travelling towards planet D so it would be minipulating past


Due to some fluke , an astroid collides with planet A now coincidence and that planet has been destroyed exact moment that signal reaches planet D.

Planet A emits new images for Planet D

ACT 5
Planet D will view the pictures of planet they will still see Planet A alive and doing well with red coulds for another 6 years on their skies

They will send out a message back to Planet A , we got your message....

But as you can see - there will be no one to recieve this message. They don't know Planet A is already destroyed

Now the space ship crew will view planet A from their space ship parked in Planet D they will see daily images ... from planet A ppl walking the dog , or driving , or ppl flying in planes etc....

These images will all be "viewing the past"

.....They will still see the crimson light in Planet A ...

They check their own clocks it says its been 6 Years....

Time/Date is 2016 by the astronut's watch

Time and Date on Planet D is also 2016

But the images they will see on Planet D of Planet A sill show images of 2010for next 6 years they will continue to see planet A and they will see the actual destruction images in 6 year time..infact they will zoom in on city center at new years and they will see ppl celebrating 2011 not 2017


"There is no true time travel as you can see" its just an illusion of traveling time. Time travel would be I eat apple go back 2 min and this time eat oragene can't happen....

But if that image of eating apple was transfered to Planet D , yes I could take a worm hole and reah planet D frist , and tell peopel exactly what will happen in sky ... what image will be coming thru in 6 years , and may be it will effect the outcome of presnt at Planet D

 

[Zebronic]

watch this video...

Michio Kaku I LOVE THIS GUY.

Well we are not talking about time travel in this thread,we are talking about controlling time.

 

[Mauryan]

slow down and accelerating the time is possible ... gravity and time is proportional to each other.

Gravity on earth is g=9.8 m/s^2
Gravity is inversly proportional to square of time.

But coming to the topic, this is the first time I heard about a deidcated project on time control.Though I came to knew about university and institution level researches going on in fundamental physics labs and IISc,but never heard of a dedicated research area.

As some other poster said about anti gravity research:
Yes,heard it a way back in 90`s and during 2005 that billions were being poured into this un-ending research.But no frutification yet

 

[Mauryan]

Just been to the Tata`s institute of fundamental research webpage.And found no info which relates to the so called special facility on time control

these are the dedicated facilities of TIFR
Facilities : School of Natural Sciences : TIFR

 

[jagjitnatt]

Ok, lets clear the doubts here.

Is time travel Possible???


YES

Is it ever going to happen???
For short durations (microseconds)

YES

Is it ever going to happen for more than a few microseconds??

NO

WHY??

because time travel doesn't work with anything other than great velocities. To travel in time, a body needs to move with great velocities approaching the speed of light, which would never be possible with human effort. Only in some places in the universe, like an event horizon of a quasar or a black hole is it possible, but they are millions of light years away.

Is it possible to send things to future or past????

YES. Now that is interesting. There are ways in which few particles can be sent into future. Any one interested to know more can ask me, cause its my fav study (ASTROPHYSICS) and if I start writing about it, I am going to write pages and pages. LOL.

 

[Zebronic]

Ok, lets clear the doubts here.

Is time travel Possible???


YES

Is it ever going to happen???
For short durations (microseconds)

YES

Is it ever going to happen for more than a few microseconds??

NO

WHY??

because time travel doesn't work with anything other than great velocities. To travel in time, a body needs to move with great velocities approaching the speed of light, which would never be possible with human effort. Only in some places in the universe, like an event horizon of a quasar or a black hole is it possible, but they are millions of light years away.

Is it possible to send things to future or past????

YES. Now that is interesting. There are ways in which few particles can be sent into future. Any one interested to know more can ask me, cause its my fav study (ASTROPHYSICS) and if I start writing about it, I am going to write pages and pages. LOL.

go for it i am interested...

 

[jagjitnatt]

Time travel into Future:

Time travel into future is very much possible. According to Einstein's General relativity and Lorrentz Transformations, as the velocity of a body increases in space so does its length, and mass. Also the time starts slowing down for the body. That means, if the body is moving at velocities equal to 90% of that of light, relativistic the factor becomes 2.294157338705618

That means that 1 year for that body would seem to be 2.294 years for someone back on Earth.

After a period of ten years, when the body is brought back to rest, the people on earth would have lived 22.941 years. In theory the body would have gone 12.941 years into the future.

The effects of relativity are negligible at velocities less than 50% of that of light.

We know that small particles can be made to accelerate to 99% of velocity of light, that means for them, time would slow down a lot. It is then that real effects of relativity can be seen.

Huge lasers can be used to accelerate particles to high velocities. But as the mass of the body increases, it becomes tougher and tougher to accelerate it so sending something big to future would be almost impossible.

 

[jagjitnatt]

Traveling into past as many would fantasize is not possible using laws of classic or modern physics.

Quantum Physics does hold some possibilities through quantum tunneling but again they are very minute. The only hope is string theory. Even in string theory, one has to tackle bizarre complications before suggesting time travel is possible back in time.

I hope you understood. I tried best to keep it really simple. If anyone wants DETAIL explanation, PM me and we can talk some more.

 

[sparklingway]

Traveling into past as many would fantasize is not possible using laws of classic or modern physics.

Quantum Physics does hold some possibilities through quantum tunneling but again they are very minute. The only hope is string theory. Even in string theory, one has to tackle bizarre complications before suggesting time travel is possible back in time.

I hope you understood. I tried best to keep it really simple. If anyone wants DETAIL explanation, PM me and we can talk some more.

I have not yet read any paper suggesting time bending based on string theory. Would love to see the text on this. No websites, a peer reviewed journal publication would be good.

PS:- I'm not talking about Tachyons here. Also, fancy tales of faster than light travel and definition of time travel as inadherence to general causality in string theory don't come into the paradigm of time travel that's being discussed here.

 

[jagjitnatt]

The cylinder Michio Kaku was talking about is actually Tipler cylinder discoverd by solving General Relativity equations by Willem Jacob van Stockum in 1936 and Kornel Lanczos in 1924.

This cylinder is not possible since the cylinder has to be infinitely long and the density of the object that needs to be sent into future or past (depends upon the direction of spiral) has to be almost infinite.

And yes the velocity is supposed to approach that of light also.

Later this idea was rubbished.

Michio Kaku is one of favorite scientists but he seems to be very very optimistic about everything.

 

[jagjitnatt]

I have not yet read any paper suggesting time bending based on string theory. Would love to see the text on this. No websites, a peer reviewed journal publication would be good.

String Theory suggests existence of multiple universes in a membrane(also called brane). It is believed that interaction between these universes would be possible through exchange of gravitons, since gravitons are the only particles which can escape this universe. It suggests that these universes overlap ours, and infinite number of universes exist, depending upon the outcome of everything we do. Its a little tough to describe. Let me find a paper to explain.

Also according to String theory there are 11 dimensions

3 spacial dimensions
1 dimension of time
6 dimensions of strings
1 dimension of M-theory

These dimensions are curled up so tightly and they are so small(planck length) that they cannot be observed but can be used to travel back and forth in time.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Time travel into Future:

Time travel into future is very much possible. According to Einstein's General relativity and Lorrentz Transformations, as the velocity of a body increases in space so does its length, and mass. Also the time starts slowing down for the body. That means, if the body is moving at velocities equal to 90% of that of light, relativistic the factor becomes 2.294157338705618

That means that 1 year for that body would seem to be 2.294 years for someone back on Earth.

After a period of ten years, when the body is brought back to rest, the people on earth would have lived 22.941 years. In theory the body would have gone 12.941 years into the future.

The effects of relativity are negligible at velocities less than 50% of that of light.

We know that small particles can be made to accelerate to 99% of velocity of light, that means for them, time would slow down a lot. It is then that real effects of relativity can be seen.

Huge lasers can be used to accelerate particles to high velocities. But as the mass of the body increases, it becomes tougher and tougher to accelerate it so sending something big to future would be almost impossible.

I studied that in Physics class too.

Over time, as I matured and understood more (I am still learning) -- I realized there are many falsehoods presented as "facts" and "science". And so I am reluctant to further digress until I possess reliable data to make my own conclusions. That is the difference between an amateur student of 'science' and someone who learns, discovers and makes a real difference.

But now we look back at it, we were NEVER given REAL evidence supporting it. Yes, I remember the "theory" and "hypothetical scenarios", but not one single concrete evidence ---> how could they provide it when do so requires experiments that we are UNABLE to conduct.

 

[jagjitnatt]

I studied that in Physics class too.

Over time, as I matured and understood more (I am still learning) -- I realized there are many falsehoods presented as "facts" and "science". And so I am reluctant to further digress until I possess reliable data to make my own conclusions. That is the difference between an amateur student of 'science' and someone who learns, discovers and makes a real difference.

But now we look back at it, we were NEVER given REAL evidence supporting it. Yes, I remember the "theory" and "hypothetical scenarios", but not one single concrete evidence ---> how could they provide it when do so requires experiments that we are UNABLE to conduct.

and you want to say???

all the above is proven with atomic clocks in rockets, bending of light during solar eclipses, circular orbit and millions of other daily phenomena.

I am no hobbyist or amateur student. I have years of experience in Astrophysics. I've had research in this field. I teach students.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

and you want to say???

all the above is proven with atomic clocks in rockets, bending of light during solar eclipses, circular orbit and millions of other daily phenomena.

I am no hobbyist or amateur student. I have years of experience in Astrophysics. I've had research in this field. I teach students.

O Rly?

Try 're-examining' the 'evidence' again. I won't say more.

On second thought, I might give some clues to think about.

- How exactly are the atomic clocks proven? All we are given are numbers from a central authority who could easily fabricated those numbers. Let's continue. It was said that two 'identical synchronized atomic clocks', one placed on earth and another in a satellite or such in space. When was this done? How was it done? How long was it placed in space? How did they retrieve the clock (without damaging it)? Where are the photos and videos to prove it? All we are given are 'numbers' which they claim, but any independent informed witness to this experiment???

- How did the MEASURE the bending of light in the solar eclipse? Is it within standard measuring ability to measure such minute angles?

- Circular orbit? I think you mean elliptical orbit. What does that prove, other than 'gravity' (which is still undefined and 'isolated') causes it. Does any experiment prove the Lorentz equation?

I know there are more 'professed experiments' you haven't mentioned, and all of them are seriously flawed. There are a lot of fake data out there, even among the hard-core scientists.

 

[jagjitnatt]

O Rly?

Try 're-examining' the 'evidence' again. I won't say more.

So you wanna say Einstein was wrong, so is every other scientist in the world? I know you have a habit to disagree, but don't make a fool of yourself.

I doubt you understood any of that physics that was taught to you.