India witnesses significant rise in dementia-related cases: Lancet

[Hellfire]

Meta-analysis is not done by simple google search...It also involves statistical analysis!

Dear @Dubious

For the bold, was that implied by my post?

Had suggested a Google search for findings with due peer reviews as published in various journals (do not have subscription). Of course, one can argue over Berksonian bias creeping in too.

Hence as under:

Suggest do a google search of meta analysis/statistics of the various nations involved, correlate with open domain write ups in major journals and dailies and draw your own inferences.

The recency of data for the countries in sub-continent as available in the search, shall be pretty good indicators of the comparison.

A small example:

https://scialert.net/fulltextmobile/?doi=aje.2017.45.53

If you were to cross refer with data of countries as available with WHO, you shall get the same inference.

The data for the other countries in the sub-continent, with exception of India, is scant and not well peer reviewed either in Lancet, NEJM or BMJ (or even nation specific scientific journals). The paucity indicates what I meant earlier as under

For the bold:
....are unable to understand that the occurrences and frequencies of reporting exhibit a much better reporting of the disease in India as compared to any other nation in the sub-continent.......

On point. It remains a serious reportable illness for both statistical and health accounting purposes as also to augment research being undertaken in Institutes like NIMHANS, Bengaluru and of course, ICMR (Indian Council of Medical Research).

An overview of common challenges which sub-continental countries face, but posting to highlight for Pakistan mainly:

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/10/pakistans-mental-health-problem.html

Now as opposed to simple Google search wherein Indian data/efforts are more readily available and is quite recent in comparison. For reference:

http://www.nimhans.ac.in/sites/defa...port (Prevalence patterns and outcomes) 1.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Services_in_India_How_Complete_or_Incomplete

https://www.aiims.edu/en/2014-12-12-06-39-37/psychiatry_res.html

https://mrc.ukri.org/funding/browse...-misuse-and-relationship-with-mental-illness/

https://www.icmr.nic.in/content/guidelines

https://www.nhp.gov.in/national-mental-health-programme_pg

Disappointment on not getting grants for 2 continuous years or so I have heard...As I said it was my 1st week I didnt even know the guy!

Oh, that is quite understandable, especially at a younger age. I merely wanted to confirm whether it was due to a failure of meeting expectations or the alternate, these 'enlightened' ones who have now created a new subset of suicidal population.

Kind of a waste of a meta study considering they didnt really do much with 34 studies! ...Would like a more detailed comparison! But not bad!

That is precisely the point, data is not available for any meaningful inference wherein the 'p' is =< 0.05!

India has the maximum data and we are actively recording and reporting the same for our studies, links to indicate the same as above.

I am unable to post data from our MJAFI, DIPR & DIPAS (for effects on soldiers in High Altitude) for copyright reasons, but suffice to say that we continue to actively address the issue with constant monitoring, reporting and studies. Hence, my earlier post.

If you noticed, I introduced SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) in the context of suicides within Indian Army. Harrison's 19th Edition (20th has just been released and I have yet not gone through it) has Indian Army experience in High Altitude to quote, I can assume that since the so called Bible of Medicine relies on data being generated by us, you shall accept that our studies remain quite realistic, academically speaking.

Towards that end, SAD was found to be of import in the increased incidence (but paradoxically at national average) of suicides of soldiers along LC. I am sure, you are either aware, or can google up, the relation of seasons (especially winters), mood and (as different from it) affect and melatonin (thus the phototherapy as a treatment option).

 

[thesolar65]

Whatever, if you are above 50, whatever med doc prescribes, don't forget or even if doc says no....take Ecosprin 75 regularly......if you have acidic tendancy, take some mild anti acid like Famtac or famotin 40. This ecosprin potects you from having brain stroke......a now common trait.

 

[Dubious]

Dear @Dubious

For the bold, was that implied by my post?

Had suggested a Google search for findings with due peer reviews as published in various journals (do not have subscription). Of course, one can argue over Berksonian bias creeping in too.

Hence as under:



The data for the other countries in the sub-continent, with exception of India, is scant and not well peer reviewed either in Lancet, NEJM or BMJ (or even nation specific scientific journals). The paucity indicates what I meant earlier as under



An overview of common challenges which sub-continental countries face, but posting to highlight for Pakistan mainly:

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/10/pakistans-mental-health-problem.html

Now as opposed to simple Google search wherein Indian data/efforts are more readily available and is quite recent in comparison. For reference:

http://www.nimhans.ac.in/sites/default/files/u197/NMHS Report (Prevalence patterns and outcomes) 1.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Services_in_India_How_Complete_or_Incomplete

https://www.aiims.edu/en/2014-12-12-06-39-37/psychiatry_res.html

https://mrc.ukri.org/funding/browse...-misuse-and-relationship-with-mental-illness/

https://www.icmr.nic.in/content/guidelines

https://www.nhp.gov.in/national-mental-health-programme_pg




Oh, that is quite understandable, especially at a younger age. I merely wanted to confirm whether it was due to a failure of meeting expectations or the alternate, these 'enlightened' ones who have now created a new subset of suicidal population.




That is precisely the point, data is not available for any meaningful inference wherein the 'p' is =< 0.05!

India has the maximum data and we are actively recording and reporting the same for our studies, links to indicate the same as above.

I am unable to post data from our MJAFI, DIPR & DIPAS (for effects on soldiers in High Altitude) for copyright reasons, but suffice to say that we continue to actively address the issue with constant monitoring, reporting and studies. Hence, my earlier post.

If you noticed, I introduced SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) in the context of suicides within Indian Army. Harrison's 19th Edition (20th has just been released and I have yet not gone through it) has Indian Army experience in High Altitude to quote, I can assume that since the so called Bible of Medicine relies on data being generated by us, you shall accept that our studies remain quite realistic, academically speaking.

Towards that end, SAD was found to be of import in the increased incidence (but paradoxically at national average) of suicides of soldiers along LC. I am sure, you are either aware, or can google up, the relation of seasons (especially winters), mood and (as different from it) affect and melatonin (thus the phototherapy as a treatment option).

Fair enough!

Whatever, if you are above 50, whatever med doc prescribes, don't forget or even if doc says no....take Ecosprin 75 regularly......if you have acidic tendancy, take some mild anti acid like Famtac or famotin 40. This ecosprin potects you from having brain stroke......a now common trait.

I would suggest healthy diet with an increase in fresh fruits but that is just me!

 

[Nilgiri]

That's scary and I can understand it made a deep impression. The fact is that we none of us know too much about people around us, and when somebody somewhere snaps, it comes as a huge surprise.

As for being here, just kidding; thought I'd say it before someone said it to me!!! And with that anti-Bangladeshi nightmare @Nilgiri in my cross-hairs, I couldn't resist!!! He hits me out of the field whenever he gets a chance, so I thought this was too good to pass up.

By "potential" I meant I didn't mean it that way when I originally tagged you. Then I was like....erm...whoops. LOL.

Anyway Sir Joe, you fight here with the strength of many young knights...*tips hat*. That is what matters in the end.

 

[Nilgiri]

Population pyramid of india seems like of a country improving its demographics....So is your population on the decline?

Population decline for India is expected in 2050 onward timeline (given the current bulge in youth and lower middle age ppl from earlier wide population pyramid base).

Right now given "our" 2nd baby boomer generation/cohort still having on average 2 and sometimes 3 kids (and millenials after them on average 2 kids, sometimes 1)...it is more the case of much lower population growth compared to before (but still growth). TFR of 2.1 is replacement fertility rate (for stable population with zero long term growth rate). Even countries that have gotten to TFR or below will continue population growth for some time though given TFR does not "kick in" with some instantaneous effect across all child-bearing age women (rather its what is expected long term across their lifetimes if current birth rates hold etc). Some states in India (Especially in the south) are already in this demographic stage (of below 2.1 TFR).

My dad for example is 1 sibling of 6...my mom 1 sibling of 4 (and their parents were similar family scale or more). Most of those siblings have 2 kids. Our current cohort in family (i.e kids of all those siblings)...we are just having around 1 - 2 kids.

 

[Joe Shearer]

By "potential" I meant I didn't mean it that way when I originally tagged you. Then I was like....erm...whoops. LOL.

Anyway Sir Joe, you fight here with the strength of many young knights...*tips hat*. That is what matters in the end.

Thanks, champ. Your words are the balm of Gilead on a sorely trying day. First I discovered that I had lost my painfully gained reduction around the middle during the last few weeks of panic. Then, in that fraught state of nerves, an absolute *** tagged me on something that the little prick had recorded on his phone, an altercation between two bunches of kids, and posted it on PDF. Then, third, finally I realised who Nilu Pule was, and felt absolutely sick to the stomach. I'd supported his real life persona and upheld him through all his earlier antics, but this version is revolting, and also his having chosen to do so is revolting. No more.

That post of mine was just persiflage, and @Dubious has politely shown me the door, so I'll be off to brood about my thickening middle.

 

[Nilgiri]

Thanks, champ. Your words are the balm of Gilead on a sorely trying day. First I discovered that I had lost my painfully gained reduction around the middle during the last few weeks of panic. Then, in that fraught state of nerves, an absolute *** tagged me on something that the little prick had recorded on his phone, an altercation between two bunches of kids, and posted it on PDF. Then, third, finally I realised who Nilu Pule was, and felt absolutely sick to the stomach. I'd supported his real life persona and upheld him through all his earlier antics, but this version is revolting, and also his having chosen to do so is revolting. No more.

That post of mine was just persiflage, and @Dubious has politely shown me the door, so I'll be off to brood about my thickening middle.

Yes that guy I could smell the stench quite quickly, easily (and thankfully for my sake early on...and I just put on perma-ignore)...there were some clear markers at what he was trying to get at from the start. Its a never ending disorder with that guy...and he enjoys it so much is the worst part ...just gotta cut that boat's rope and leave it be to drift in ocean im afraid (like you tried and tried much more and longer than me....so it gnaws at you like it has at me but similarly much more and longer for you, but just have to find a way to let it go and forget best you can).

Really sad to hear that he used personal stuff from earlier on with you....this is why I am very leery of online cross-over stuff in general.

Prayers and best wishes as always to your health my good sir. Don't be too harsh on yourself.

 

[xyxmt]

@abcxyz0000 you ok buddy?

 

[baajey]

Researchers have linked high BMI, smoking (including all smoked tobacco products), and diet high in sugar-sweetened beverages as risk factors for dementia.

this struck me as utter bull. whoever, with such conclusion, must be senile themselves.
my dad had and still does have near perfect BMI, smoked occasionally (3 years), never took those fizzy drinks in his life, no alcohol etc etc.
But the moment he left active life (job life), he started showing symptoms of dementia (later on it was diagnosed as Alzheimer's). My sister recognised the symptoms (she studied Zoology majors) and we both acted fast and got him treated by Dr. Debashish Chakroborty in Kolkata. This delayed the rate of "decay" to quite an extent. Its a lost case, and we know it, but giving up without a fight is not an option.
My dad's BMI is still good and his punches quite effective (sometimes when he gets agitated, he reacts violently). Lets see.

its the ignorance about the disease and no treatment for this is an issue in our parts of the world.

 

[KAMDEV]

Paying price of development.

 

[Dubious]

Thanks, champ. Your words are the balm of Gilead on a sorely trying day. First I discovered that I had lost my painfully gained reduction around the middle during the last few weeks of panic. Then, in that fraught state of nerves, an absolute *** tagged me on something that the little prick had recorded on his phone, an altercation between two bunches of kids, and posted it on PDF. Then, third, finally I realised who Nilu Pule was, and felt absolutely sick to the stomach. I'd supported his real life persona and upheld him through all his earlier antics, but this version is revolting, and also his having chosen to do so is revolting. No more.

That post of mine was just persiflage, and @Dubious has politely shown me the door, so I'll be off to brood about my thickening middle.

Ooo...You can contribute just no trolling!

my dad had and still does have near perfect BMI, smoked occasionally (3 years), never took those fizzy drinks in his life, no alcohol etc etc.

Every dad doesnt have the same mutation....
It is a research on factors that "increase the risk" of dimension.

But the moment he left active life (job life), he started showing symptoms of dementia (later on it was diagnosed as Alzheimer's). My sister recognised the symptoms (she studied Zoology majors) and we both acted fast and got him treated by Dr. Debashish Chakroborty in Kolkata. This delayed the rate of "decay" to quite an extent. Its a lost case, and we know it, but giving up without a fight is not an option.
My dad's BMI is still good and his punches quite effective (sometimes when he gets agitated, he reacts violently). Lets see.

Sorry to hear about your dad...Alzheimer's is also genetic...There unfortunately is no cure just delaying the process...

its the ignorance about the disease and no treatment for this is an issue in our parts of the world.

True.

 

[anant_s]

I remember when I was studying overseas, a professor in the building in front of the one I was working in, committed suicide by leaving the gas running...It was my 1st week in the lab and I was scared! Here was a professor with a fixed position and he was disappointed ...what would my life be...

Sorry to hear that
Stress arising out of professional dis-satisfaction or otherwise and associated depression is a big killer. The worst thing is we don't even realize it could be happening to a person in next office cabin. Cut throat competition and lack of people giving enough time for themselves imho are two most significant factors.
Personally we often have bull sessions in our office (doing all kinds of verbal nonsense, cursing system, government even our sweet bosses but somehow vent out the ire and laugh it all off). But luckily i've got close friends to do that, not sure in today's corporate culture how many else have that luxury.
@Joe Shearer how about you sir? ever faced such times in life.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sorry to hear that
Stress arising out of professional dis-satisfaction or otherwise and associated depression is a big killer. The worst thing is we don't even realize it could be happening to a person in next office cabin. Cut throat competition and lack of people giving enough time for themselves imho are two most significant factors.
Personally we often have bull sessions in our office (doing all kinds of verbal nonsense, cursing system, government even our sweet bosses but somehow vent out the ire and laugh it all off). But luckily i've got close friends to do that, not sure in today's corporate culture how many else have that luxury.
@Joe Shearer how about you sir? ever faced such times in life.

You mean facing a dead end? Oh, very often. The first being when ACM P. C. Lal became our Chairman, and toured my location, and I missed meeting him the next morning. Felt like killing myself. There were numerous occasions after that, far too many to recount; but never a feeling so overpowering that it felt like killing myself would be better. That did happen long, long ago for very personal reasons, but good friends and Mary Jane took care of it.

I started working in a far more relaxed atmosphere than today's terrible conditions. This is inhuman.

Somehow, I've never had the luxury of making friends from the business environment. For one thing, almost every assignment for the first twenty years was a new one, and it was tough enough figuring out what the right mix was. For another, with each promotion, you lose your previous level, to some extent. Friendships continue, but they weaken.

There's a lot I'd like to add, but this is neither the time nor the place.

 

[baajey]

Every dad doesnt have the same mutation....

....makes the conclusion of reason (of the article) very vague.
its like if there is no conclusion after years of research n money, blame it on the factors which are usually bad for health in general.....ie smoking, drinking, bad food habits etc.

 

[Dubious]

....makes the conclusion of reason (of the article) very vague.
its like if there is no conclusion after years of research n money, blame it on the factors which are usually bad for health in general.....ie smoking, drinking, bad food habits etc.

Well if you can disproof it do so

Sorry to hear that

I was less sorry and more spooked as to what sort of field I was entering that even experts were suicidal! My own supervisor joked he was suicidal when he got repeated rejections from grant applications...I am sure he said it as a joke coz he is still breathing

Yea cut throat competition...