India will be partitioned if Modi comes to power: Arshad Madani

[bronxbull]

i dont believe that.

 

[Hindustani78]

Now the creationists are coming up with various other explanations, of the first 6 days, each day being equivalent to some hundreds of thousands of years or so.

Those 6 days are process of the Big Bang theory . Similar like that of Cosmology hymn in Rigveda but i am not sure in Rig Veda are any days or span are mentioned.

i dont believe that.

Atleast there should be some reasons.

 

[ranjeet]

How did the discussion about further partition of India changed into Religious debate

 

[kaykay]

things worked out so well when thousands of Muslims were killed while "modi ji" sat on his chaar-pai, allowing it to happen

Bhai saab, no doubt it was his failure as a CM of the state that he couldn't stop it but so were 100s of riots in India since Independence under different political parties and majorty being under Congress . Also Its same Gujarat(which was quite riot pron) and which never saw a single riot after that under the same Modi. Leave riots, no carfew in last 12 years.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

Humans always need help from the Creator for everything and then only we can reach to that certain level. Karma can be changed by the Supreme Creator , Isnt it ?

No Karma cannot be changed by the supreme creator. It is entirely dependent on the actions of the man how his karma builds up or breaks down.

Does the non Dharmic behavior in the past let the Dharmic ones to behave differently now ? For me Supreme Creator is everywhere and i can call on the Supreme Creator from anywhere and i do believe that Supreme Creator answers anyone who calls for him.

It is not because non-dharmics are considered to be inferior or impure or anything of that sort. Consider it more like why muslims are profiled in every airport of the world? Because of lack of trust on the part of other communities that certain (even if a small percentage of them) muslims might cause trouble. Also considering how sensitive this issue is, let us say a non-dharmic goes to the temple and kicks the statue or tries to break it or defile it, and the person is thrashed by the mob. This act defiles the temple sanctity, also causes social unrest. The situation can get out of hand and become a big problem. Which is why the ban.

 

[ranjeet]

Bhai saab, no doubt it was his failure as a CM of the state that he couldn't stop it but so were 100s of riots in India since Independence under different political parties and majorty being under Congress . Also Its same Gujarat(which was quite riot pron) and which never saw a single riot after that under the same Modi.

One simply don't use logic and reasoning while discussing Modi.

 

[anonymus]

I thought Modi was relatively good for India's feign affairs by maintaing the Non-Alinement FP.

Is there something wrong in Modi himself or his party? I thought the Muslims in India were in good term with him.

Also, to what extent does his party maintain the democratic secular features of India?

@Cherokee @Contrarian @anonymus

In India Foreign affairs are not run by one person and given the fact that India has perfectly good foreign policy, there is very little chance of any change and for non alignment, barring 50's and 60's, India was never non aligned in true sense.The only change possible is that he could be more pro-China and anti-US but even that is complicated by our relations with Japan .


And Muslims are not on a good terms with him,at least Sunnis of UP. Of 543 seats, polling has concluded on nearly 150-200 seats and according to exit polls nearly 7% Muslims from Western part of state of UP and 22% Muslims from state of Bihar have voted in his favour. He has support of Gujarati Bohra Muslims because of his excellent administrative record in Gujarat.Shias as far as i know are voting for him in UP due to marginalization by parties seeking Sunni vote while in Delhi,Shias have voted for a new party AAP, Sunnis have gone with Congress. Bengali Muslims vote for Trinmool congress or Communist while malyali Muslims vote for either Congress + Muslim league or communist. Hyedrabadi Muslims vote for MIM.

His relations with Muslims are bad due to Gujarat riots. In 2002 Godhra's Muslims set a train carrying Hindu pilgrims, who were also member of VHP on fire killing 59 people. In response to that nearly 840 Muslims were killed in retaliatory attack over the period of three days. He is blamed by media of not controlling riots on time in order to visit retribution on Muslims.Even though in his defense, he has exonerated by SC of any wrong doing no riot has taken place in Gujarat since 2002 and he is fighting on the plank of being a good administrator who would bring Economic prosperity.

BJP being cadre driven party is certainly more Democratic than Congress which is a dynasty driven party and i daresay BJP is even more secular than Congress but that has more to do with Congress being a exploitative leech which uses religion as excuse to hide it's failure.

 

[Indischer]

May the Supreme Creator wants humans to end their differences and wants all to come on one rally pointing.

And why didn't the Supreme Creator create Man with these qualities? What was he trying to prove by creating man in the first place?

Now the creationists are coming up with various other explanations, of the first 6 days, each day being equivalent to some hundreds of thousands of years or so.

Doesn't that go against the very basis of creationism? That things didn't 'evolve' over thousands of years, but were 'created' as per the whims and fancies of a Supreme creator in a short duration of time? (Disclaimer: All references to time are as per what is experienced and quantified by Humans)

To test the faith of the faithful of course. This is the sort of thinking that leads to judges declaring that DNA evidence is inadmissible since it is contrary to the diktats of a certain religion.

Faith can move mountains...NOT.

 

[Hindustani78]

No Karma cannot be changed by the supreme creator. It is entirely dependent on the actions of the man how his karma builds up or breaks down..

Karma is changed by worshiping the Supreme Creator and asking for forgiveness . Worship is for the Supreme Creator only isnt it ?

It is not because non-dharmics are considered to be inferior or impure or anything of that sort. Consider it more like why muslims are profiled in every airport of the world? Because of lack of trust on the part of other communities that certain (even if a small percentage of them) muslims might cause trouble.

Those airport checkups are same for everyone. Be it Muslim or Non Muslims it doesn't matters. In many Indian airports while during those checkups , smuggled gold, diamonds, bullets, guns are found out from non Muslims passengers , so does this means that there is lack of trust for even the other communities ? Problem is with the generalization

Also considering how sensitive this issue is, let us say a non-dharmic goes to the temple and kicks the statue or tries to break it or defile it, and the person is thrashed by the mob. This act defiles the temple sanctity, also causes social unrest. The situation can get out of hand and become a big problem. Which is why the ban

Already its prohibited for non Hindus and dalits to enter temples and this prohibition is not because of anyone would kick the statue but because of other reasons.

And why didn't the Supreme Creator create Man with these qualities? What was he trying to prove by creating man in the first place?

Humans were created solely to worship the Supreme Creator and do righteous things and led a life in which they can complete their duties towards others and live in peace and harmony.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

Doesn't that go against the very basis of creationism? That things didn't 'evolve' over thousands of years, but were 'created' as per the whims and fancies of a Supreme creator in a short duration of time? (Disclaimer: All references to time are as per what is experienced and quantified by Humans)

I do not know the whole argument, had a tenant who used to buy bible every now and then, apparently there are many many takes on the bible, so like her house was littered with some 20-30 of them. She once started explaining to me how each day was so many thousand years or so. I blanked out at that time and don't remember much of the conversation. What is happening is they are taking all the new age stuff and configuring it to tally with Bible. So now you have them telling you the shocking news that Bible says making money is good. Likewise all advaita principles are being digested.

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Karma is changed by worshiping the Supreme Creator and asking for forgiveness . Worship is for the Supreme Creator only isnt it ?

No it is not changed by worshiping. What one asks from the creator is the strength to face the challenge and not to remove the challenge itself. Worship is for supreme creator who per Hinduism became the universe. Which means all elements of the universe are worship-able. Which means all life forms and even those without life. Material and non-material.

Ayudha Puja where weapons and objects of daily life are worshiped.

 

[Hindustani78]

I do not know the whole argument, had a tenant who used to buy bible every now and then, apparently there are many many takes on the bible, so like her house was littered with some 20-30 of them. She once started explaining to me how each day was so many thousand years or so. I blanked out at that time and don't remember much of the conversation. What is happening is they are taking all the new age stuff and configuring it to tally with Bible. So now you have them telling you the shocking news that Bible says making money is good. Likewise all advaita principles are being digested.

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In Vedas its about having simple life and doing religious sacrifices etc . As much as i have read , teachings of Jesus is to led a simple life and this is no different from other religions.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

Those airport checkups are same for everyone. Be it Muslim or Non Muslims it doesn't matters. In many Indian airports while during those checkups , smuggled gold, diamonds, bullets, guns are found out from non Muslims passengers , so does this means that there is lack of trust for even the other communities ? Problem is with the generalization

Nope. Smuggling gold and diamonds does not pose a threat to the lives of the people taking the flight.

Already its prohibited for non Hindus and dalits to enter temples and this prohibition is not because of anyone would kick the statue but because of other reasons.

It is not prohibited for any Hindu or Dharmics. Dalits are Hindus and hence not prohibited.

 

[ranjeet]

And why didn't the Supreme Creator create Man with these qualities? What was he trying to prove by creating man in the first place?



Doesn't that go against the very basis of creationism? That things didn't 'evolve' over thousands of years, but were 'created' as per the whims and fancies of a Supreme creator in a short duration of time? (Disclaimer: All references to time are as per what is experienced and quantified by Humans)



Faith can move mountains...NOT.

kya gyan baat rahe ho janab !!!

 

[Dem!god]

In Vedas its about having simple life and doing religious sacrifices etc . As much as i have read , teachings of Jesus is to led a simple life and this is no different from other religions.

how old are u and what religion u follow and what scriptures.....

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

In Vedas its about having simple life and doing religious sacrifices etc . As much as i have read , teachings of Jesus is to led a simple life and this is no different from other religions.

Sorry the concept of god in vedas it just the opposite of god considered by Abrahamic religions.