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India under fire over destroyed satellite 'space junk'

Pakistan just needs to highlight the negativity of the use of Space warfare - as part of Hybrid warfare.
It needs to remind the Global audiences of India's militaristic intentions.. Spending money on weapon related technologies when it has the world’s largest number if poor people.

Pakistan needs to 'milk' as much mileage of these type incidents. It needs to expose USA /western hypocrisy etc...
Pakistan needs to 'demonise' these countries ( i.e using their tactics).
 
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Pakistan just needs to highlight the negativity of the use of Space warfare - as part of Hybrid warfare.
It needs to remind the Global audiences of India's militaristic intentions.. Spending money on weapon related technologies when it has the world’s largest number if poor people.

Pakistan needs to 'milk' as much mileage of these type incidents. It needs to expose USA /western hypocrisy etc...
Pakistan needs to 'demonise' these countries ( i.e using their tactics).
1. India does not have highest number of impoverished people. That country is Nigeria. Under 25% of our population lives in poverty.
2. What makes you think any country will take your concerns about militarization seriously? Especially since most of the world believes you need to do more against terrorism. Conversely, most countries support India.
 
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1. India does not have highest number of impoverished people. That country is Nigeria. Under 25% of our population lives in poverty.
2. What makes you think any country will take your concerns about militarization seriously? Especially since most of the world believes you need to do more against terrorism. Conversely, most countries support India.
Well i think you are seriously kidding yourself - India due to its large population has the largest amount of poor people - go read it up!

Militaristic leaders like BJP and Modi's are focusing on false bravados..
Despite the significant increase in wealth in India ...look who has it? The poor are getting poorer- thats the reality?

It would be more prudent if countries in South Asia could resolve their differences and uplift their people from poverty. The bone of contention between India and Pakistan has always been Kashmir - and you deep know it that the wishes of the Kashmiris is to join with Pakistan or be independence.

Its a pity that the during partition the Muslim prince of Hyderabad wanted to join Pakistan but the vote was given to his people (who were majority Hindus) and they voted to stay with India.

Why could this not be reflected in Kashmir, where the Hindu Maharaja wanted to he independent or join India - why were the muslim majority population not given this choice???

Because you and I know that they wanted to join with Pakistan. Hypocrisy?

By the way.. No matter what technologies India or Pakistan obtain.. .nuclear weapons have rendered them obsolete. Either a peace full coexistence or MAD scenario.
MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION?
 
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Well i think you are seriously kidding yourself - India due to its large population has the largest amount of poor people - go read it up!

Militaristic leaders like BJP and Modi's are focusing on false bravados..
Despite the significant increase in wealth in India ...look who has it? The poor are getting poorer- thats the reality?

It would be more prudent if countries in South Asia could resolve their differences and uplift their people from poverty. The bone of contention between India and Pakistan has always been Kashmir - and you deep know it that the wishes of the Kashmiris is to join with Pakistan or be independence.

Its a pity that the during partition the Muslim prince of Hyderabad wanted to join Pakistan but the vote was given to his people (who were majority Hindus) and they voted to stay with India.

Why could this not be reflected in Kashmir, where the Hindu Maharaja wanted to he independent or join India - why were the muslim majority population not given this choice???

Because you and I know that they wanted to join with Pakistan. Hypocrisy?

By the way.. No matter what technologies India or Pakistan obtain.. .nuclear weapons have rendered them obsolete. Either a peace full coexistence or MAD scenario.
MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION?
No look it up, Nigeria recently became the country with the most poor. Tens of millions of people are uplifted from poverty every year. India actually only spends around 2% of its gdp on defense.


And Kashmir was an independent nation before Pakistan attacked it in 47, causing it to accede to India, but that is a different topic.
 
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Indian space program is very advanced. Scientists must be applauded. The resources they have are much slimmer than available to their counterparts in China US or Russia.

Well done ISRO. One very good institute that India has.

I wish ISRO would train people from SUPARCO and may be launch a joint satellite in future for non military purposes.
 
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No look it up, Nigeria recently became the country with the most poor. Tens of millions of people are uplifted from poverty every year. India actually only spends around 2% of its gdp on defense.


And Kashmir was an independent nation before Pakistan attacked it in 47, causing it to accede to India, but that is a different topic.

Accordingly India's population in 2017 is estimated to be 1.3 billion ....even 25% as you say makes over 300 million people in a state of abject poverty.

This is more than the population of Nigeria (190 million) , it even beat the USA population of 300 million plus.

I can guarantee that these people would like to get out of poverty and find these areas a threat. They would rather have peace with everyone - in fact most poor people across the world want the same.

Unfortunately a few peoples egos always screw the majority of populations across the world.

In regards to Kashmir, despite the history - if you will 'man up' you know no excuses will count.. The people of Kashmir wanted to join Pakistan at independence!

People need to he brave to face this reality. .and hence move forward to a peace full world that would make both Pakistan and India very rich. Kashmir has to be resolved - let the kashmiri people decide?
Or keep deluding yourself and let India implode???
 
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Accordingly India's population in 2017 is estimated to be 1.3 billion ....even 25% as you say makes over 300 million people in a state of abject poverty.

This is more than the population of Nigeria (190 million) , it even beat the USA population of 300 million plus.

I can guarantee that these people would like to get out of poverty and find these areas a threat. They would rather have peace with everyone - in fact most poor people across the world want the same.

Unfortunately a few peoples egos always screw the majority of populations across the world.

In regards to Kashmir, despite the history - if you will 'man up' you know no excuses will count.. The people of Kashmir wanted to join Pakistan at independence!

People need to he brave to face this reality. .and hence move forward to a peace full world that would make both Pakistan and India very rich. Kashmir has to be resolved - let the kashmiri people decide?
Or keep deluding yourself and let India implode???
India will not implode. But Muslims will rule it and ensure justice and unity.
 
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That is who the question is for. I was pointing him to the article didnt mean to quote you.
My response was in relation to the last para of the original post.
Pentagon didnt condemn the test, this statement means nothing.....its not coming from POTUS or any senator. OFC Pentagon will say that space debris is a concern, they didnt say that any action will be taken.

I can guarantee that these people would like to get out of poverty and find these areas a threat. They would rather have peace with everyone - in fact most poor people across the world want the same.
Correct, but that doesnt mean u will neglect the areas that contribute to the security of a nation, good luck trying to get out of poverty if nation itself doesn't exist. We aren't blessed with a peaceful neighbourhood. 2 of them are nuclear armed with 1 being expansionist and constantly backing authoritarian regimes around the world and other harboring terrorists under the garb of NGOs who carry out attacks in India.
U can either pour all ur resources in welfare and economic development programs, lifting people at a much quicker rate and risk getting overrun by some adversary, or contribute towards security as well and still focus on economic factors and lift ppl out of poverty albeit at a relatively slower pace.
I would always pick latter option.
But ofc if my neighbourhood was to be like Scandinavia, then ofc former option is the best.
 
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Personally i don't see the need of these type of missiles in Pakistan's arsenal.
upgradation is very very imp if your enemy have something you dont have its a threat i needed it more than they need cuz they have more sattelites then we have.
we also need twin engin fighter jet for our defence.
 
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Remember when China did the same how these Western hypocrites ganged up and were up in arms? Accusing China of spreading debris in space. This is probably the first condemnation that I am reading about.

Today their little slave did the same, but everyone is quiet.

I hope some debris hits satellites and causes damage.
Western hypocrisy? Chinese and Indian ASAT capabilities are premature, and indeed a matter of concern to many. US have developed and fielded relevant sensor systems to track and monitor space debris across the globe because they launch rockets into space from time-to-time, and scores of American airports have very high traffic.

An Arleigh Burke class destroyer destroyed a wobbling and tumbling American spy satellite with an SM-3 interceptor back in 2008; level of precision and the sheer force of collision was such that nothing remained of either objects afterwards. Google 'Operation Burn Frost'.

Chinese ASAT experiment in 2007 = 700 debris fragments
Indian ASAT experiment in 2019 = 270 debris fragments

Satellite debris in low orbit is a big threat to lot of stuff, airborne and otherwise. Imagine yourself in a passenger plane, and something hits it....

I think it is quite an achievement on India's part. One can argue about the quality (low orbit etc) but it is an achievement nonetheless.

Congrats Indian members :) I am sure you guys are feeling proud!
This I agree with.
 
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Credit should be given when due. Huge achievement. Congratulations.

But......
India's anti-satellite missile test may have created 6,500 pieces of space junk larger than a pencil eraser, according to a new simulation

 
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Remember when China did the same how these Western hypocrites ganged up and were up in arms? Accusing China of spreading debris in space. This is probably the first condemnation that I am reading about.
The satellite was intercepted at a very low perigee. Debris is likely to last in orbit for a week only, three weeks at max.
Today their little slave did the same, but everyone is quiet.
A strategically autonomous nation which has been mostly neutral since formation of its current establishment isn't supposed to be called a slave when India has maintained its stances even after being technically at war for decades and facing open hostilities from West in formative decades of independence. It's us who screwed the hegemony of P5 nations in almost every sector and made sure that world can never ignore us.

Slave is a better word for UK & Pakistan who switch their masters after every few decades. Once they get new one, they become thankless to former one.
I hope some debris hits satellites and causes damage.
Tough luck, nothing else was operational at that perigee and inclination.
it is indeed the best time for pakistan to test similar missile if they posses ... coz now atleast they have strong argument for world that they did it in response of indian test . .. and if we do not posses it we should atleast start developing something similar to SC-19 ASAT
No, Pakistan doesn't. This technology took decades to mature for China & India (faster for USSR & US as they had been investing billions during cold war).

First you have to practice to have a reliable launcher to insert the object in orbit at high altitude. Making such reliable orbital launcher will take decades. Rest comes with the development of kinetic kill vehicles, advanced seekers and other vital missile technologies.
If you have an ASAT, maturity of your Air Defence and ABM knowhow is confirmed. India produces 90 out of 94 existing missile technologies. Next is XR-SAM, Indian equivalent of S-400 and HQ-9.
The United States detected the missile the moment it was fired. Damn, they really have a strong surveillance network.
They have their missile tracking ships around Southeast Asia and they move them near Bay of Bengal during every Indian missile test.
infect india was not in need of any such type of deterrent because its arch rival pakistan has only two or three satellites in space :) but if it is aimed for china or other powers.... then it has already ring the the bell
Pakistan was never arch rival of India. Neither India views Pak as "arch rival" nor Pak tries/can match India in everything. Only Pakistani fanboys think that. This India-Pakistan hyphenation was started by western analysts in 60s. Increasing gap between powers of two has left this hyphenation at brink of collapse.

Yes, India is worried about Pakistan. But not in the way Pakistan is for sure. It's an irritant and potential proxy of other countries that may bother India in future. If Pakistan was never created, India would have direct access Central Asia and exports after 1991 would have doubled our economy. Our 0.7 million (nearly half) of troops won't be wasting focused on a single point.

At first place, if India ever saw Pakistan as an arch rival, it wouldn't have series very long range ships, missiles and number of strategic weapons it possesses today.

Pakistan is a chapter of India's national security concerns, one chapter only. Neither first or nor one of first chapter. And since 1991, this chapter has been losing its importance.
Resembles the Israeli Arrow missile:

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Looks like they bought off the shelve Israeli missile components to make there A-Sat.
Not sure if you are trolling or you actually got hyoermetropia.

Go back at previous page and compare again. Just having visible stages won't make it Israeli (as most ASATs have that). XSV-1 (Indian ASAT) has its first stage from Agni 2 Prime while upper stage from PDV high altitude exo atmospheric anti ballistic missile.
India's ASAT test is an offset of its ABM. 2016 PDV was comparable to THAAD missile while XSV-1 is comparable to any good midcourse interceptor. Officially, India can intercept satellites and targets with direct hit at an altitude upto 2,000 kms (means MIRV & ICBMs too).
The test reflects that India's anti missile shield is far more advanced than its shown usually.
The United States took aim at India’s anti-satellite weapons test with acting Pentagon chief Patrick Shanahan saying “We all live in space. Let’s not make it a mess.”


Pentagon is a small private company?
So, what his statement gonna do?
Historically Pakistan has always responded to the challenges triggered by india including nuclear capability, missile capabilities and other lethal stuff. In this dimension may be Pakistan is already working , because when pakistan conducted two stage nuclear missile hataf-2 test a decade ago than at that time Pervez Musharraf said that our next step would be in space technology. so this has added just more fuel to arms race but for the time being indians deserve to cherish the moment
India never posed challenges to Pakistan. Balance of power has ceased to exist after 1971 leaving India the only regional power in Indian Subcontinent as well as in regions around Indian Ocean. Though, Pakistan uses Kashmir issue and its hyped "rivalry" with India to encash situation and earn attention from world.

Pakistan got very basic nuclear tech, HEU based linear implosion bombs as compared to India's three stage nuclear program which deals with nearly every kind of nuclear civil/military technologies.
Pakistan has just a small array of ballistic & cruise missiles, again while India has forayed into every aspect of missile technologies. Or be it Pakistani media comparing Nasr test with Indian Mars mission.
India struck deep inside Pak while Pakistan just came to play along border with a complete squadron against 8 old planes. It's all just a drama to show Pakistani people that it too has deterrent meanwhile it stands nowhere near in extent.
Moreover, there are a lot of fields which Pakistanis never heard of while India is one of leaders there.


BTW, its funny to see neighbouring people dancing, believing that we'll also do it because they did it. This job was not simple. India shot down a very small object moving at 7.5-8 kilometers per second out of earth's orbit. It didn't do it suddenly. Technologies had been being worked upon for decades.
It is what has happened in feb and march that triggered them to test this. The eye in the sky was used to detect their intent so they are sending a message. Pakistan needs to do the same so that they know that pakistan can also render them blind if the need arise.
A Pakistani ASAT, even if Pakistan is able to get hands on SC-19 technology, won't make the threat big for India.
From June this year, India is going to start its quick launch rocket called SSLV. It's comparable Minataur (USA), START-1 (Russia) and Kuaizhou (China). These rockets are the solution to ASAT systems. They can be quickly assembled and launched in a very short span of time to compensate the destroyed satellite again.
Spending money on weapon related technologies when it
1. India doesn't have largest number of poor people and continues to go down the list. India has one of highest poverty escape rates in world and has a very high public welfare budget.
2. India doesn't spend lot of money on defence/space. Our space/military budget keeps falling in percentage every year while increasing in numbers every year. Because economy has been growing much faster since 1993.
Yeah, our budget is large because of our economy. In percentage, it will have a sudden increase only after we become an upper middle income economy.
1. India does not have highest number of impoverished people. That country is Nigeria. Under 25% of our population lives in poverty.
5.7% in July 2018. Nigeria and Congo have bigger number of poor people despite having just a fraction of India's population.
2. What makes you think any country will take your concerns about militarization seriously? Especially since most of the world believes you need to do more against terrorism. Conversely, most countries support India.
World doesn't have any problem with Pakistan promoting terrorism.
The same countries who justified India's action over Pulwama episode would have put sanctions on India in case of any direct military expedition.
Either of them wouldn't want to strain relationship with India for no reason. But at the same time, Pakistan is a very useful proxy to keep India busy south Asia only.

Better is to keep tightening screw on Pakistan gradually, what we already have been doing. Within 10 years, difference between India and Pak will become so big that Pak will stop making a difference to India.
Open hostilities with India will ensure that terrorists become a liability for Pakistan. Salahuddin's statement too confirms that something is cooking. Pakistan under Imran Khan is probably now more serious about its future and going to pull out from Kashmir quagmire.
Accordingly India's population in 2017 is estimated to be 1.3 billion ....even 25% as you say makes over 300 million people in a state of abject poverty.

This is more than the population of Nigeria (190 million) , it even beat the USA population of 300 million plus.

I can guarantee that these people would like to get out of poverty and find these areas a threat. They would rather have peace with everyone - in fact most poor people across the world want the same.

Unfortunately a few peoples egos always screw the majority of populations across the world.

In regards to Kashmir, despite the history - if you will 'man up' you know no excuses will count.. The people of Kashmir wanted to join Pakistan at independence!

People need to he brave to face this reality. .and hence move forward to a peace full world that would make both Pakistan and India very rich. Kashmir has to be resolved - let the kashmiri people decide?
Or keep deluding yourself and let India implode???
India's exteremely poor population is 3.5% since February 2019, not anywhere near 25%.
And India's military/research spending is nuts when compared to India's other spendings. If India shelves its space program (worth $1.9 billion) today, it won't make any difference. No one will be pulled out of poverty. But it will hurt India's connectivity projects.

India's annual budget exceeds $700 billions will soon exceed $1 trillion. AFAIK, its Pakistan who spends so aggressively on defense even in times of economic crisis.

Indians can be trolled for supa powa dreams. But national power is a product of narional money/economy which is product of national population and income. India's population & maintained high per capita GDP growth for last 28 years, will make it emerge it as great power as US/USSR/PRC. Someone likes it or not.
 
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The United States detected the missile the moment it was fired. Damn, they really have a strong surveillance network.
Cobra ball was flying over Bay of Bengal when India fired ASAT missile.
 
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No, Pakistan doesn't. This technology took decades to mature for China & India (faster for USSR & US as they had been investing billions during cold war).

First you have to practice to have a reliable launcher to insert the object in orbit at high altitude. Making such reliable orbital launcher will take decades. Rest comes with the development of kinetic kill vehicles, advanced seekers and other vital missile technologies.
If you have an ASAT, maturity of your Air Defence and ABM knowhow is confirmed. India produces 90 out of 94 existing missile technologies. Next is XR-SAM, Indian equivalent of S-400 and HQ-9.

Pakistan was never arch rival of India. Neither India views Pak as "arch rival" nor Pak tries/can match India in everything. Only Pakistani fanboys think that. This India-Pakistan hyphenation was started by western analysts in 60s. Increasing gap between powers of two has left this hyphenation at brink of collapse.

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A: it is not necessary to have similar technology to disable the satellite, An anti-satellite weapon, or ASAT, is anything that destroys or physically damages a satellite. That's the broad definition.
ASATs take many shapes, but the clearest examples follow kinetic-kill models, in which an object in space or on the ground is sent to collide with an orbiting satellite, destroying both object and target with the energy of the crash.

But an ASAT doesn't need to be airborne. "If the intent is to stop the transmission of information from the satellite to the ground, taking out the ground station achieves the same goal, without the space debris.

Or a maneuverable satellite could be directed to smash into another satellite, too.
OR a laser, if used to "temporarily dazzle or permanently 'blind' a satellite by destroying its sensors," would also be considered an ASAT weapon, keeping in view Pak china relations it is possible that in near future pakistan could have a similar anti satellite laser base to deal with the threat as china has in xinjiang
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B: if Pakistan is not important why these days entire indian politics revolving around anti Pakistani sentiments ???? for last two month modi is selling the anti pakistani CHOORAN to its public ... and war is all about making it expensive to enemy otherwise russians were second largest military power when they were collapsed
 
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