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This is where you fails for the fair poll, because you have a tilt toward the communism, and wanted the result to be what you want or what you like. If you are asking for the poll which is the best form of government in India than the heading should be Pls vote for the best form of government in India.

Coming back to the communism--- rather Karl Marx theory of the communism, which is the perfect form of government for the people but the problem is that its too perfect and practically not possible. You are the student of Socialogy, and the fan of Karl Marx theory, but which country is the Karl Marx communist country in the world history. Soviet, China, Vietnam, Combodia --- Nah Nil niether of them why they have used Karl Marx ideology which was the government for the people by the people, but in reality it was the people forced to live under terror, suppressed to have another idea or vision above or separate ideology. First Soviet -- Dictator rule disguised under various leader, one of them name Stalin, killed millions of its own people why he don't fear them as threat but, want to set an example to the one who survives. Communism at the best-- farmers will get the salary and lives in the government provided house quater, but when they are already getting what is the best they can get, the output was such a great, that Soviet have to deploy his army to cut the cultivation and to pick the potatoes from the field which was 2% of the total production which could reach the market, so that the people could be feeded. China Mao genisis killing 20 millions of own chinese people so that people could live in the perfect place, Combodia -- Best leader Pol Pot which killed own country men so much, that the death becomes a common thing-- wanted to distroy all the cities, and convert it to the villages, why so that there will be equality of the people, and all men are only poor- bunch of animals surviving.

It took a long time for the world to realize that they were fakes, were brutal dictators in the countries they once ruled, and brought nothing but social and economic ruin to the masses.

So what is communist based economy

A fully developed communist economic system would be characterized by productive technology that enables conditions of material abundance (or post-scarcity), which in turn enables the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution out of economic necessity.

We are couple of hundreds, if not thousands, years away from this.
Till such technology comes out, we will be living in an economy where materials are scarce. That is on ideological level.


So now you wanted the communism for the India, so what are the contributions of the communists for the India.
The communists have been ruling the state of Tripura since I guess 1967. They have ruled Kerala at various times from 1962. They were in power in West Bengal in 1967-68, again in 1969-70, and then from 1977 till 2012.

In Kerala, West Bengal and Tripura, the power of the CPM is partly explained by the party giving expression to regional cultural and social aspirations against Congress and New Delhi. In this perspective, its orthodox Marxism-Leninism appears somewhat anomalous. The party’s ideology also appears not to capture what many observers and left critics characterise as its social democratic orientation. A leading analyst argued long ago that the CPM ‘is communist in name only and is essentially social-democratic in its ideology, social programme, and policies’.

‘Singur’ and ‘Nandigram’ have become symbols throughout India for the failure of the CPM’s economic development strategy for West Bengal.

The party’s bewilderment in terms of the basic dilemma of development is given expression by the convenor of the CPM’s Research Unit:
What can be the contours of an agrarian strategy in West Bengal, which can consolidate the gains of land reforms and increase the productivity of small peasant-based agriculture? How can non-agricultural employment be generated in a productive and sustained manner? What possible role can the public sector play in the states’ industrialisation effort, given that the resource constraint confronting the state government is real and hard? To what extent can it address the problem of unemployment? Can planning play a more important role at the state level? Should private corporate investment in capital-intensive sectors be shunned completely? If not, on what terms can private investments be invited? What policies can the state government adopt to determine or influence the choice of techniques? What should be the role of small and medium enterprises in the industrialisation strategy? What can the state government do to promote innovations? Should industrialisation be based on the home market alone or should exports also be promoted? What is the best way to promote rural industrialisation? What provisions should a progressive land-use policy as well as land acquisition and rehabilitation policy comprise of? There is a need for the debate on the left in India to move beyond polemics into these substantive domains, for a clearer left alternative on development and industrialisation to emerge in the near future.


What about the armed revolution of the marxists aka Naxalities in India. The best thing Pakistan did after Independence was they through Communism out of the country for good. Its a failed form of government and the ideology not practical in the present world, nor we want Indian Army with tanks against Anna Hazare in New Delhi.

Totally agree with you .

I am more tilted towards Monarchy under strong and Loving ruler .:p:

People in India can't look beyond religion , What I want is a ruler that shows them a better path , which in Indian democracy is very very very tough . ( I know it may not be impossible )
 
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I am more tilted towards Monarchy under strong and Loving ruler .:p:

People in India can't look beyond religion , What I want is a ruler that shows them a better path , which in Indian democracy is very very very tough . ( I know it may not be impossible )
Monarchy is the thing of past. An old and important belief than in the end only 5 kings will be left in the world -- 4 kings of the cards and 1 British King.

People cannot look beyond religion is the problem of the society not the government. And to show them a better path, you don't need to be a morarch or the King. India is a country of more than 150 dilects, and around 20 languages, all religions, and vast pool of cultural heritage, people of different cast, creed, race, colour, culture, and religion and the only thing that bound them is the nationalism. Best form of government is Parliamentory democracy, so that people could feel safe and have faith, and could have its own representative, niether could it be possible in the presidentary democracy, not communism.

Every one feels that it is not the best form of the government, and its a failure but in the end it is the best because it our historical leaders have understood and sowed the tree which has a strong root benieth below which provide us the strength and the stability. Only problem is the rots and clots thats need to be erradicated from it, which will be through education and awareness. If you really think that is a weak form, never was India endanger with the Dictatorship threat. The nature of opposition is the key and plays important part of the democracy. For making the democracy, with the government there should be a strong opposition. A strong Ruling party with a strong Opposition party to keep the government in Check. And the old saying -- Wrong path brings the result fast and looks fruitful, but in the end you loose, and the right path though difficult and less fruitful, but in the end you will Win.
 
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How good or bad will India do , If we have rule like China , Where Nation and its prosperity is above Religion .

In the independent India , Religion is pulling us back . People care more about Religion than People of the Country . In a Diverse country like ours , For us to grow we have to put Religion on the back stage and work together on Socio , Economic and Political development .

What are your opinion ?
democracy all the way

However I feel Bharat will do better under Presidential system.
This will reduce the chances of having corrupt politicians becoming ministers and thus exploiting precious resources.
 
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Ya but that is not the communism I see from my eyes .
Communism that I see is class less society which eventually leads to Utopia .

Modern communism that we witness has class structure .

Thats Communism in theory
Reality is different

Stop watching too much Anime.:D

Anime doesn't have much about communism but mostly the opposite
 
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Thats Communism in theory
Reality is different

Why is reality different , is a mystery that confuses me .
Sometimes I think Communism may excel in smaller societies but in large nations ( population ) Communism of Marx just doesn't seem to work .

Anyway Evolution of Capitalism made a dent to his theory .
Capitalism of today is totally different to the one that began with Industrial revolution .
Middle class was expected to join with proletariat and revolt against bourgeois or in other words disappearance of MC .
But Capitalism evolved and gave strength to middle class .

Anime doesn't have much about communism but mostly the opposite

Ya ! I meant , it can give u a different world view that may be Utopian in nature , Hence not possible in real world .
The moment Perfection is achieved , It will disintegrate .
Perfection can't survive for long .
 
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:lol::lol::lol: Seriously , People can get great ideas watching Anime .:enjoy:
Kashmiri Pandit where are you from. I have spend lot of my age in J&K -- Srinagar, Udhampur, Barahmulla, Leh, and Jammu

Why is reality different , is a mystery that confuses me .
Sometimes I think Communism may excel in smaller societies but in large nations ( population ) Communism of Marx just doesn't seem to work .

Anyway Evolution of Capitalism made a dent to his theory .
Capitalism of today is totally different to the one that began with Industrial revolution .
Middle class was expected to join with proletariat and revolt against bourgeois or in other words disappearance of MC .
But Capitalism evolved and gave strength to middle class .

Actually you are confused what you want and wrongly attracted toward communism and you are not the first one to do that believe me.

Actually you want the society which will exists after 200+ years in future. In the present condition and economy and population, its not possible but definately in future it will be the one which you dream now.
 
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Kashmiri Pandit where are you from. I have spend lot of my age in J&K -- Srinagar, Udhampur, Barahmulla, Leh, and Jammu

I live in Jammu 10 minutes away from Talab Tillo .( Patta Bohri to be precise , Origins in Anantnag )


Actually you are confused what you want and wrongly attracted toward communism and you are not the first one to do that believe me.

Actually you want the society which will exists after 200+ years in future. In the present condition and economy and population, its not possible but definately in future it will be the one which you dream now.

Yup , Totally agree . In current world , its not possible .
Not sure , If I am correct but for that to happen , we might need surplus of Capital ( money , goods etc ) and a stagnant Population .
 
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I live in Jammu 10 minutes away from Talab Tillo .( Patta Bohri to be precise , Origins in Anantnag )




Yup , Totally agree . In current world , its not possible .
Not sure , If I am correct but for that to happen , we might need surplus of Capital ( money , goods etc ) and a stagnant Population .
Long time we were living in satwari in jammu, and in Srinagar Batwara.
I regularly visit Vaisnoo Devi shrine, but the days in valley prior to militancy was great, the Pahalgam, Gulmarg such untouched beauty.
 
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1.At the beginning of the international communist movement there were several leaders who were Indians. M.N. Roy, S.A. Dange, Muzaffar Ahmed, Nalini Gupta, Shaukat Usmani, Singaravelu Chettiar, Ghulam Hussain and R.C. Sharma were stalwarts of the movement globally. They reasoned that since India/SA was under colonial imperial subjugation, the first communist revolution would be successful here.
2.But in actual fact a communist revolution could not even take of in India/SA. They began their critique for their failure. Why did their scientific assessment under Dialectic Materialism fail? And they discovered that their study of the Indian society had not considered the cast system entrenched for millenniums in the Hindu society.
3. On the other hand SA under monarchy had remained the best by any historical assessment considering peace in the society, social justice, economic ethics and prosperity of the people. The monarchs, without exception, had sought to keep the subjects happy accepting himself responsible for this in the life hereafter. Indeed, the magnificent Mughals have no parallel in world history.
 
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How good or bad will India do , If we have rule like China , Where Nation and its prosperity is above Religion .

In the independent India , Religion is pulling us back . People care more about Religion than People of the Country . In a Diverse country like ours , For us to grow we have to put Religion on the back stage and work together on Socio , Economic and Political development .

What are your opinion ?

No bro... its parliamentary democracy that holds us togather otherwise we would have been balkanised, if it there was a monarchy/dictator
You have to understand India is ONLY country in this world to have such ethnic diversity (religious, linguistic, ethnic) and their isn't a majority.. religion itself isnt a good binding factor specially hinduism where there is no set of rules/practises among followers like abrahamic religions. If you move from one state to other in india, language, food, climate, ethnicity all changes.. a society so much divided, if these various people don't get equal representation in govt there will be mutiny.. militarily you cant hold a rebellion backed by common people..
As for communism, indian subcontinent is filled with corrupt people. Communism will never succeed in achieving its goal. You can see west bengal.
Secular democratic India is ONLY option...
Am i right? @Joe Shearer @nair @scorpionx
 
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No bro... its parliamentary democracy that holds us togather otherwise we would have been balkanised, if it there was a monarchy/dictator
You have to understand India is ONLY country in this world to have such ethnic diversity (religious, linguistic, ethnic) and their isn't a majority.. religion itself isnt a good binding factor specially hinduism where there is no set of rules/practises among followers like abrahamic religions. If you move from one state to other in india, language, food, climate, ethnicity all changes.. a society so much divided, if these various people don't get equal representation in govt there will be mutiny.. militarily you cant hold a rebellion backed by common people..
As for communism, indian subcontinent is filled with corrupt people. Communism will never succeed in achieving its goal. You can see west bengal.
Secular democratic India is ONLY option...
Am i right? @Joe Shearer @nair @scorpionx

What will be the drawbacks , In case India is under democracy like the one in US , Presidential Democracy ?

What is better for India , Multi party Democracy , Single Party Democracy , Two party Democracy or any other ?

Coalition form of Government has kept India poor .
 
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