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How good or bad will India do , If we have rule like China , Where Nation and its prosperity is above Religion .

In the independent India , Religion is pulling us back . People care more about Religion than People of the Country . In a Diverse country like ours , For us to grow we have to put Religion on the back stage and work together on Socio , Economic and Political development .

What are your opinion ?
 
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You have called for poll, thats ok. But could you give me the reason why you gave the heading of this thread as India-under-communism----> Do you want most of the members to choose Communism or against communism, a hidden Agenda.

Well , as much I love Monarchy , being a student of Sociology and fan of Karl Marx theory of Historical materialism , Class Conflict , Relations and forces of production and Communism . I like Communism .

I used Communism because I like how China does things related to religion .
In democracy , if some one talks about religious non sense , he is sure to loose .

I want our leaders to be like Communist China . Putting Religious extremists in the jail and working towards stable development . In democracy for last 68 years we have failed to rein in these Religious goons and Now they are so strong that we have lost control over them .

Religion is personal matter but here it has become state matter .

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Well , as much I love Monarchy , being a student of Sociology and fan of Karl Marx theory of Historical materialism , Class Conflict , Relations and forces of production and Communism . I like Communism .

I used Communism because I like how China does things related to religion .
In democracy , if some one talks about religious non sense , he is sure to loose .

I want our leaders to be like Communist China . Putting Religious extremists in the jail and working towards stable development . In democracy for last 68 years we have failed to rein in these Religious goons and Now they are so strong that we have lost control over them .

Religion is personal matter but here it has become state matter .

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FYI,Under communism you can't practise religion,personally or collectively.
You can live in Naxal Areas and enjoy Communism with Chinese and Indian characters and experience the "Giant Leap".
 
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FYI,Under communism you can't practise religion,personally or collectively.
You can live in Naxal Areas and enjoy Communism with Chinese and Indian characters and experience the "Giant Leap".

Ya but that is not the communism I see from my eyes .
Communism that I see is class less society which eventually leads to Utopia .

Modern communism that we witness has class structure .
 
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Lots of negativity is being created and too much hype of everything is bad. India is not a lonely country in the world to have limitations nor is it last
 
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Well , as much I love Monarchy , being a student of Sociology and fan of Karl Marx theory of Historical materialism , Class Conflict , Relations and forces of production and Communism . I like Communism .

I used Communism because I like how China does things related to religion .
In democracy , if some one talks about religious non sense , he is sure to loose .

I want our leaders to be like Communist China . Putting Religious extremists in the jail and working towards stable development . In democracy for last 68 years we have failed to rein in these Religious goons and Now they are so strong that we have lost control over them .

Religion is personal matter but here it has become state matter .
This is where you fails for the fair poll, because you have a tilt toward the communism, and wanted the result to be what you want or what you like. If you are asking for the poll which is the best form of government in India than the heading should be Pls vote for the best form of government in India.

Coming back to the communism--- rather Karl Marx theory of the communism, which is the perfect form of government for the people but the problem is that its too perfect and practically not possible. You are the student of Socialogy, and the fan of Karl Marx theory, but which country is the Karl Marx communist country in the world history. Soviet, China, Vietnam, Combodia --- Nah Nil niether of them why they have used Karl Marx ideology which was the government for the people by the people, but in reality it was the people forced to live under terror, suppressed to have another idea or vision above or separate ideology. First Soviet -- Dictator rule disguised under various leader, one of them name Stalin, killed millions of its own people why he don't fear them as threat but, want to set an example to the one who survives. Communism at the best-- farmers will get the salary and lives in the government provided house quater, but when they are already getting what is the best they can get, the output was such a great, that Soviet have to deploy his army to cut the cultivation and to pick the potatoes from the field which was 2% of the total production which could reach the market, so that the people could be feeded. China Mao genisis killing 20 millions of own chinese people so that people could live in the perfect place, Combodia -- Best leader Pol Pot which killed own country men so much, that the death becomes a common thing-- wanted to distroy all the cities, and convert it to the villages, why so that there will be equality of the people, and all men are only poor- bunch of animals surviving.

It took a long time for the world to realize that they were fakes, were brutal dictators in the countries they once ruled, and brought nothing but social and economic ruin to the masses.

So what is communist based economy

A fully developed communist economic system would be characterized by productive technology that enables conditions of material abundance (or post-scarcity), which in turn enables the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution out of economic necessity.

We are couple of hundreds, if not thousands, years away from this.
Till such technology comes out, we will be living in an economy where materials are scarce. That is on ideological level.


So now you wanted the communism for the India, so what are the contributions of the communists for the India.
The communists have been ruling the state of Tripura since I guess 1967. They have ruled Kerala at various times from 1962. They were in power in West Bengal in 1967-68, again in 1969-70, and then from 1977 till 2012.

In Kerala, West Bengal and Tripura, the power of the CPM is partly explained by the party giving expression to regional cultural and social aspirations against Congress and New Delhi. In this perspective, its orthodox Marxism-Leninism appears somewhat anomalous. The party’s ideology also appears not to capture what many observers and left critics characterise as its social democratic orientation. A leading analyst argued long ago that the CPM ‘is communist in name only and is essentially social-democratic in its ideology, social programme, and policies’.

‘Singur’ and ‘Nandigram’ have become symbols throughout India for the failure of the CPM’s economic development strategy for West Bengal.

The party’s bewilderment in terms of the basic dilemma of development is given expression by the convenor of the CPM’s Research Unit:
What can be the contours of an agrarian strategy in West Bengal, which can consolidate the gains of land reforms and increase the productivity of small peasant-based agriculture? How can non-agricultural employment be generated in a productive and sustained manner? What possible role can the public sector play in the states’ industrialisation effort, given that the resource constraint confronting the state government is real and hard? To what extent can it address the problem of unemployment? Can planning play a more important role at the state level? Should private corporate investment in capital-intensive sectors be shunned completely? If not, on what terms can private investments be invited? What policies can the state government adopt to determine or influence the choice of techniques? What should be the role of small and medium enterprises in the industrialisation strategy? What can the state government do to promote innovations? Should industrialisation be based on the home market alone or should exports also be promoted? What is the best way to promote rural industrialisation? What provisions should a progressive land-use policy as well as land acquisition and rehabilitation policy comprise of? There is a need for the debate on the left in India to move beyond polemics into these substantive domains, for a clearer left alternative on development and industrialisation to emerge in the near future.


What about the armed revolution of the marxists aka Naxalities in India. The best thing Pakistan did after Independence was they through Communism out of the country for good. Its a failed form of government and the ideology not practical in the present world, nor we want Indian Army with tanks against Anna Hazare in New Delhi.
 
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