India trying to occupy Bangladesh territory

[eastwatch]

These days I am scared to ask this - can you back up your claim that using its Eastern wing as 'bait' was a consciously thought out strategy of Pakistan.

As far as I know, Pakistan neither had the resources, nor the opportunity or logistics to maintain heavy presences of military on the Eastern side. If anything, it was accidental.

I would, however, agree that the lure was always there. The fact that India couldn't be lured, perhaps stands testimony to our superior brain wave . What say you.

We do appreciate the fact that when Pakistan had one Yahya Khan we had one Indira Gandhi. We also appreciate the courage of the Mukti Bahini.

It could also be that because of Kashmir conflict, majority of Pakistan army troops including those of East Bengal Regiment were mobilized near Kashmir in the west. But, I have heard politicians in the east talk about the doctrine. I have heard also Sheikh Mujubur Rahman to criticize this doctrine in the open public meetings. It is still talked about in BD.

Yes, India had shown high quality brain wave by not making an untimely move against the east. I very much hope Indian military strategists will keep on nourishing this brain wave and will see danger across the border with BD before it dreams of a mis-adventure.

 

[leonblack08]

Maybe you should appreciate India's role in your war of liberation as well.

He did not deny India's role in our independence.But the problem is many of your fellow countrymen thinks they have given us "freedom".They fail to understand it was a joint effort,without the Bangladeshi people's support,it would not been possible.Is there any problem with history lessons in India?I spent few years in India as student,didn't find any significant problem with the history book.

So what's wrong here?Its the attitude,and as you can see I have dedicated my signature to those type of ignorant fools.
Hope you are not one of them.

One more thing,I find the statement to often "You BD people should be thankful to us"
Yes we are grateful but you forget the fact that its because of us,that your sworn enemy is divided.Now where is the thanks for that?

 

[zombie]

We thank you'll for that.

Simply put it was Bangladesh that defeated Pakistan in 1971. India just lent a helping hand(at the ending stages) to Bangladesh like China helped Pakistan. India only probably hastened the Bangladesh victory and saved some Bangladeshi lives(and Pakistani army lives unknowingly) which might have happened in a long drawn out war.

 

[toxic_pus]

He did not deny India's role in our independence.But the problem is many of your fellow countrymen thinks they have given us "freedom".They fail to understand it was a joint effort,without the Bangladeshi people's support,it would not been possible.Is there any problem with history lessons in India?I spent few years in India as student,didn't find any significant problem with the history book.

So what's wrong here?Its the attitude,and as you can see I have dedicated my signature to those type of ignorant fools.
Hope you are not one of them.

One more thing,I find the statement to often "You BD people should be thankful to us"
Yes we are grateful but you forget the fact that its because of us,that your sworn enemy is divided.Now where is the thanks for that?

Since you have quoted me to reflect on this I will tell you what I think of Bangladesh's liberation war vis-a-vis Indian help. I believe, that Bangladeshis have won their own freedom through their own blood, sweat and tears. Nothing can take that away. If the Bangladeshis hadn't risen against Pakistan, India could do squat about it. But then again, India gave more than just a helping hand. Indian lives were sacrificed at the alter of Bangladesh's liberation as well. Recently, Bangladesh has decided to honour those Indian soldiers who laid their lives for a country that was not theirs.

The reason many of my countrymen resort to 'we gave you the freedom' is because they are stunned by the rabid hate for India that some Bangladeshis show.

Granted India is no saint incarnate, but she is no devil incarnate as well. But it is the later that some of your countrymen would like think of India as. Their attitude doesn't help either.

Granted again, that creation of Bangladesh has divided the sworn enemy and has given a military advantage to India, but can anything compare to freedom that Bangladeshis enjoy today.

 

[leonblack08]

The reason many of my countrymen resort to 'we gave you the freedom' is because they are stunned by the rabid hate for India that some Bangladeshis show.

Thanks for not being one of those ignorants.

Well about hating India,I don't think we should hate India but we should not trust India.there is a difference between hating and not trusting.

Why will the Bangladeshi people trust India?
After the assassination of Sheikh Mujib in 1975,India helped CHT guerrillas with arms and training.As you would not be satisfied without links,I will give you one.I am posting it for Hundredth time I guess.

Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them

Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them - The New York Times

Now after that comes Farakka and BSF killing Bangladeshi civilians.Now we have another,Tipaimukh.

India has not been a good neighbour to Bangladesh.It tried always to be our big brother,which we don't like.We as a nation seems to have problem with authority.At least history says that.

 

[SeaGull]

Thanks for not being one of those ignorants.

Well about hating India,I don't think we should hate India but we should not trust India.there is a difference between hating and not trusting.

Why will the Bangladeshi people trust India?
After the assassination of Sheikh Mujib in 1975,India helped CHT guerrillas with arms and training.As you would not be satisfied without links,I will give you one.I am posting it for Hundredth time I guess.

Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them

Bangladeshi Insurgents Say India Is Supporting Them - The New York Times

Now after that comes Farakka and BSF killing Bangladeshi civilians.Now we have another,Tipaimukh.

India has not been a good neighbour to Bangladesh.It tried always to be our big brother,which we don't like.We as a nation seems to have problem with authority.At least history says that.

Yes, and just wanted to add that there was this long drawn out desultory warfare carried out by Kader Siddiqui and his forces from their sanctuary in India. Why should we be blamed singly for helping the rebels of NE India. That is if we at all are helping. I do not know - ask our Govt.

 

[HK-47]

And that border skirmish in 2001 was nothing more than a bunch of trigger happy BDR's adventurism. Give it a rest.

Dude,check out the first post of this thread and read what it says.
The India's version of the incident seemed to change after 4 or 5 years.Go and check wikipedia,they brought the 19th Infantry Division of the BD army into this now.
Or maybe you should do a survey of your own like one of your journos did and see things for yourself.

er...why are we discussing the Farakka issue here?I don't think the numbers or the treaty matters even now.The western agri sector of the country has been demolished totally.I remember seeing a Google image of the barrage from bird's point of view and you will then understand the numbers don't matter.

India's contribution to our war was crucial and significant but like Leon's sig says we weren't licking lollipops at that time.My personal belief is that even if not in '71 we would have separated in the late 70s or the early 80s.India did not "give" us freedom.They helped.and IMO it was just good business for all of us.and again something off topic.

 

[SeaGull]

Now then, if peace has finally descended on this uneasy land - I have a small suggestion for our wise Indian gurus.
Why don't you unleash this havoc on your worst enemy - Just sit Toxic_Pus on the tip of a missile and lob him at China.
He's worse than all of your Nukes

 

[SeaGull]

BTW, Toxic, that's a compliment.

 

[HK-47]

Toxic was right about the Teen Bigha Corridor but like he mentioned it's open for only 12 hours and that's a real problem sometimes especially those who need medical attention.

This thread should have been closed three/four pages ago.

 

[toxic_pus]

...it's open for only 12 hours and that's a real problem sometimes especially those who need medical attention.

That is correct. Problem is when people need immediate medical attention. Procedure exists to meet such exigencies. But it is so complicated that from the time a request is made from Bangladesh's side till the gates are opened, it takes a minimum of about 1 hr. That is unacceptable.

I understand it not possible to keep the gates open for 24 hrs, mostly because of security threats. However, effort should be made by India to reduce these bureaucratic complications, particularly in cases of medical emergencies.

This thread should have been closed three/four pages ago.

True.

 

[agastya]

now its a real time to close this thread its veering off topic or is getting repetative

 

[idune]

Toxic was right about the Teen Bigha Corridor but like he mentioned it's open for only 12 hours and that's a real problem sometimes especially those who need medical attention.

Could you show us how under same treaty, indian taking possession Bangladeshi land was justified but india refused to give possesion of tin bigha possession to Bangladesh?

Do you really know what is involved here???

 

[idune]

now its a real time to close this thread its veering off topic or is getting repetative

That was the goal of indians use repetative circular bs to veer the thread off topic and argue to close it. When indian agression get exposed, indias as usual will bring any and all toxic bs.

 

[eastwatch]

Could you show us how under same treaty, indian taking possession Bangladeshi land was justified but india refused to give possesion of tin bigha possession to Bangladesh?

Do you really know what is involved here???

Perhaps, the Artha Shastra guides Indian psychology to act irrationally and bully its small neighbour. These Indians are the true pupils of that outdated Shastra. While Chandragupta Mauriya gained from it, the present day India cannot gain anything by strictly adhereing to these Kautilla teachings.

Tin Bigha corridor should have been permanently leased to BD long time ago. But, the small hearted Indians cannot possibly come into terms with their philosophy of Akhand Bharat. How they can again give away a tiny chunk of their motherland when enough (Bangladesh + Pakistan) has already been given away. Oh hoh ho--------their Bharat Mai will not forgive them. But, by Mujib-Indira treaty, Tin Bigha belongs to BD.