India trying to occupy Bangladesh territory

[toxic_pus]

^ My Indian brother You would also think, why do you have to put so many troops there? whether it is 70 or 70000000000........

...so that baboons don't leave their droppings in India.

and while you are at it, can you also explain why no more than 5% of the populace turns out for your so called elections?

Really, 5%

Voting in earlier stages of the election had been largely peaceful, with a higher-than-expected turnout of more than 60%, though scattered anti-India protests continued throughout the staggered election process. On November 17, more than half of over 600,000 eligible voters cast their ballot in the first phase of voting in the hilly districts of Bandipore, Leh, Kargil and Poonch, all of which border the Line of Control that separates the Indian- and Pakistani-administered sides of Kashmir.

 

[idune]

There is another damning reason for not handing over the 'physical' possession to BD. The 'sovereignty' clause. If that piece of land is handed over to BD, then 'sovereignty', as per Para 2, is relinquished.

Your are desperately grasping to save your stack of lies from falling apart. let me give you little more truth shake

Then why india made different meaning out of "posession" and took "physical possession" of Bangladeshi corridor? And why Bangaldesh should not apply same meaning for "possession"?

Here is chronology of your pathological lies:
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1) You stated with excuse there was agitation, litigation and thats why India could not fulfilled the treaty.

2) Then your excuse was - you were calling bluff

3) Then your position was treaty was fulfilled "by virtue of lease"

4) Now you are doing demented babbling (defing one meaning of possession for Bangladesh and different meaning for india. Just like clinton when he tried to redefine the meaning of word "is".

Watch out everyone, next stack of indian lie coming places near you.

 

[idune]

^ My Indian brother You would also think, why do you have to put so many troops there? whether it is 70 or 70000000000........

and while you are at it, can you also explain why no more than 5% of the populace turns out for your so called elections?

I would request you pose your question in different thread. This is different discussion.

 

[toxic_pus]

Then why india made different meaning out of "posession" and took "physical possession" of Bangladeshi corridor? And why Bangaldesh should not apply same meaning for "possession"?

Your govt. agrees to that interpretation. In fact there is no scope for any other interpretation when the question of 'sovereignty' is connected.

1) You stated with excuse there was agitation, litigation and thats why India could not fulfilled the treaty.

Nope, India did fulfill the treaty. It only got delayed. You also haven't been able to provide any counter argument to that other than your pet xenophobia. The only part of the agreement that remains unfulfilled is 24x7 access to BD.

2) Then your excuse was - you were calling bluff

Correct. One of the BD members claimed that Tin Bigha is not opened. That was a lie and I called his bluff. Any doubt.

3) Then your position was treaty was fulfilled "by virtue of lease"

Correct. That BD's can pass through that piece of land without passport and visa confirms that legal possession has been handed over to BD. Had it not been the case, then passports and visas would have come into the picture.

4) Now you are doing demented babbling (defing one meaning of possession for Bangladesh and different meaning for india. Just like clinton when he tried to redefine the meaning of word "is".

Except that your govt agrees to that interpretation.

You are too easy man.

 

[idune]

Your govt. agrees to that interpretation..

Here is chronology of your pathological lies:
-------------------------------------------------
1) You stated with excuse there was agitation, litigation and thats why India could not fulfilled the treaty.

2) Then your excuse was - you were calling bluff

3) Then your position was treaty was fulfilled "by virtue of lease"

4) Now you are doing demented babbling (defing one meaning of possession for Bangladesh and different meaning for india. Just like clinton when he tried to redefine the meaning of word "is".

5) Here is the fith stack of lies: Your govt. agrees to that interpretation.


Watch out everyone, next stack of indian lie coming places near you.

 

[eastwatch]

But your pakistani friends here say india freed bd!!!.......buddy take a nap,after that,see in mumbai how many people were kept as hostages,in kashmir see how many terrorist insurgents are killed every year.......and your self report bout the 2001 stand off is far biased than what actually happenned!!!.....i dont mean to deaminize bd here by any means,i know it was afterall bd freedom fighters who brought you freedom,but give the credit where it duely belongs!.......who destroyed the pak frontline sub?....who equipped and trained the freedom fighters?.....

Pakistanis need an escapegoat for their defeat in Bangladesh. They like to believe that the Indian army has separated the then single country. In fact, freedom fighters and not the Indian participation can be regarded as the single determining factor of that war.

The then central Pakistan govt kept the eastern wing defenseless for 23 years. Even one division troops or one squadron fighter planes or even 100 tanks were not deployed in the east. This wing was kept as a bait for India. India did not try to swallow this bait until the right moment in 1971 when the population of east Pakistan went against Islamabad.

All other times before 1971 the situation was precarious for Indian adventurism, even though east was without defense. It could have been a real quagmire for India if you consider the terrain and the attitude of the population in those days. Any Indian adventurism would have started a guerrilla war. No way India could have won such a war.

India's win in 1971 was mostly due to the support they had received from the BD population, freedom fighter or not. However, it was wise for Indira Gandhi to go to war in the winter of December, when the Himalayan terrains were closed due to heavy snowfall which assured a Chinese non-interference.

 

[salman nedian]

India's win in 1971 was mostly due to the support they had received from the BD population, freedom fighter or not. However, it was wise for Indira Gandhi to go to war in the winter of December, when the Himalayan terrains were closed due to heavy snowfall which assured a Chinese non-interference.

So you believe it was India’s win?

It was the civil war which let us down else Indian cowards could not defeat us in the previous wars. They could only take take advantage in 1971. How can those be winners who lost half of Kashmir in 1948?

 

[Jako]

So you believe it was India’s win?

It was the civil war which let us down else Indian cowards could not defeat us in the previous wars. They could only take take advantage in 1971. How can those be winners who lost half of Kashmir in 1948?

yeah yeah,whining as always!.....where were you when terrorists of pa were kicked in the *** in kargil,and tiger hill became ours!!....dont talk like a moron,and term brave soldiers fighting for motherland as cowards......be it ia or pa,all are brave and proud sons of their nations.........back to topic,eastwatch be nice and learn history,no taking away from bd freedom fighters,but give credit where its due.....,..we blocked the indian ocean to stop west pak invasion,and also destroyed their frontline sub......could bd freedom fighters do that alone?......ia trained the mukti bahinis,who brought you freedom.,....we armed them to launch the offensive.......and the pa surrendered to ia not to the freedom fighters!

 

[salman nedian]

yeah yeah,whining as always!.....where were you when terrorists of pa were kicked in the *** in kargil,and tiger hill became ours!!....dont talk like a moron,and term brave soldiers fighting for motherland as cowards......be it ia or pa,all are brave and proud sons of their nations.........back to topic,eastwatch be nice and learn history,no taking away from bd freedom fighters,but give credit where its due.....,..we blocked the indian ocean to stop west pak invasion,and also destroyed their frontline sub......could bd freedom fighters do that alone?......ia trained the mukti bahinis,who brought you freedom.,....we armed them to launch the offensive.......and the pa surrendered to ia not to the freedom fighters!

That’s what I wanted BD members to see (India’s Intentions) . We need to learn the lessons from History. Pakistan is your country also so do not be against Pakistan. We are brothers.

BD people may call it their freedom struggle but they too have to recognize that they have initiated an endless debate with The Indians that with out India’s help BD wouldnt be a reality. Thus hurting BD’s emotions.

 

[Jako]

That’s what I wanted BD members to see (India’s Intentions) . We need to learn the lessons from History. Pakistan is your country also so do not be against Pakistan. We are brothers.

BD people may call it their freedom struggle but they too have to recognize that they have initiated an endless debate with The Indians that with out India’s help BD wouldnt be a reality. Thus hurting BD’s emotions.

what easwatch and other bd members also have been saying that india only HELPED the bd freedom fighters,and the bds themselves freed their country from pakistan!.......the bd's didn't want to stay as a part of pakistan and be treated like aliens at their own land!........you were beaten by bd only!

 

[toxic_pus]

Here is chronology of your pathological lies:
-------------------------------------------------
1) You stated with excuse there was agitation, litigation and thats why India could not fulfilled the treaty.

2) Then your excuse was - you were calling bluff

3) Then your position was treaty was fulfilled "by virtue of lease"

4) Now you are doing demented babbling (defing one meaning of possession for Bangladesh and different meaning for india. Just like clinton when he tried to redefine the meaning of word "is".

5) Here is the fith stack of lies: Your govt. agrees to that interpretation.


Watch out everyone, next stack of indian lie coming places near you.

I have one word for you: NOEMA (the difference between what actually is and what is perceived to be actual)

Go figure

 

[toxic_pus]

Pakistanis need an escapegoat for their defeat in Bangladesh. They like to believe that the Indian army has separated the then single country. In fact, freedom fighters and not the Indian participation can be regarded as the single determining factor of that war.

...and who propped up your freedom fighters, with guns and training.

The then central Pakistan govt kept the eastern wing defenseless for 23 years. Even one division troops or one squadron fighter planes or even 100 tanks were not deployed in the east. This wing was kept as a bait for India. India did not try to swallow this bait until the right moment in 1971 when the population of east Pakistan went against Islamabad.

Man, you are dense. You are now justifying that your country and your countrymen were used as bait, as cannon fodder by your rulers.

What self esteem.

India's win in 1971 was mostly due to the support they had received from the BD population, freedom fighter or not.

That is the only sensible comment, so far.

 

[eastwatch]

...and who propped up your freedom fighters, with guns and training.

Man, you are dense. You are now justifying that your country and your countrymen were used as bait, as cannon fodder by your rulers.

What self esteem.

That is the only sensible comment, so far.

The 'bait' thing needs clarifications. Central Pakistan was eager to win a war over Kashmir. So, if the eastern wing is without a functional defense, it may induce India to attack it in times of war in the west. In doing so Indian troops would fall into a trap, because the easterners would fight that Indian onslaught even without a strong defence force. When India is busy in the east, Pakistani troops in the west would go after Kashmir.

Well, right or wrong, it was the military doctrine of those days which backfired on Pakistan. Because of the policy of that stone-headed Yahya Khan, everything went wrong. His wrong policy trapped more than 100,000 troops in the east, alienated more than 60,000 Bangali troops, and when war started in December 1971, it was lost in both the wings.

India should appreciate Yahya Khan, Bhutto as well as our freedom fighters for giving India a rare chance to win a war.

 

[toxic_pus]

The 'bait' thing needs clarifications. Central Pakistan was eager to win a war over Kashmir. So, if the eastern wing is without a functional defense, it may induce India to attack it in times of war in the west. In doing so Indian troops would fall into a trap, because the easterners would fight that Indian onslaught even without a strong defence force. When India is busy in the east, Pakistani troops in the west would go after Kashmir.

These days I am scared to ask this - can you back up your claim that using its Eastern wing as 'bait' was a consciously thought out strategy of Pakistan.

As far as I know, Pakistan neither had the resources, nor the opportunity or logistics to maintain heavy presence of military on the Eastern side. If anything, it was accidental.

I would, however, agree that the lure was always there. The fact that India couldn't be lured, perhaps stands testimony to our superior brain wave . What say you.

India should appreciate Yahya Khan, Bhutto as well as our freedom fighters for giving India a rare chance to win a war.

We do appreciate the fact that when Pakistan had one Yahya Khan we had one Indira Gandhi. We also appreciate the courage of the Mukti Bahini.

But 'rare chance to win a war'? Nah. We didn't need them for that in 1984 or 1999.

Maybe you should appreciate India's role in your war of liberation as well.

 

[salman nedian]

India should appreciate Yahya Khan, Bhutto as well as our freedom fighters for giving India a rare chance to win a war.

Eastwatch, India didn’t win 1971 war against Pakistan as Indians are acknowledging it themselves.

you were beaten by bd only!